Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 post-install experience, pt 2: dumped at a prompt

2010-02-23 Thread dos386
> No version message, no free-memory display, no "Welcome, thanks for > trying FreeDOS!" message, nothing. Blank screen, C prompt. That is > about as friendly as a kick in the nuts. Agree, there is space for improvements. > When I ran GEM, there were no links to any of this 150MB of programs. Ba

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 setup program

2010-02-23 Thread dos386
> (Odd, in my day, DOS apps generally didn't have dependencies!) Examples ??? AFAIK the only one is CWSDPMI (blame DGJPP, not FreeDOS ...) > [1] I suggest removing the different memory configs as they will confuse > novices Agree, tuning EMS/UBM and legacy crap depending on such should be depre

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 bugreport place?

2006-11-03 Thread Blair Campbell
On 11/3/06, Arkady V.Belousov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi! > > 3-Ноя-2006 10:05 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert Riebisch) wrote to > freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net: > > >> Looks like this program is only for handling local CVS databases? > RR> Yes. How about porting a newer CVS version to DJGPP

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 bugreport place?

2006-11-03 Thread Blair Campbell
On 11/2/06, Bernd Blaauw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Blair Campbell schreef: > > He meant the OpenWatcom package that is supplied with FreeDOS 1.0, but > > I don't know what that has to do with config.bat > > > What I mean is that the kernel sources (if installed by FreeDOS 1.0.0) > use a file nam

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 bugreport place?

2006-11-03 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi! 3-Ноя-2006 10:05 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert Riebisch) wrote to freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net: >> Looks like this program is only for handling local CVS databases? RR> Yes. How about porting a newer CVS version to DJGPP + WATTCP for TCP RR> connections? ;-) I myself have no experie

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 bugreport place?

2006-11-03 Thread Robert Riebisch
"Arkady V.Belousov" wrote: > Looks like this program is only for handling local CVS databases? Yes. How about porting a newer CVS version to DJGPP + WATTCP for TCP connections? ;-) see http://www.nongnu.org/cvs/ Robert Riebisch -- BTTR Software http://www.bttr-software.de/

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 bugreport place?

2006-11-03 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi! 3-Ноя-2006 07:36 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bernd Blaauw) wrote to freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net: >> IIRC there is a CVS client for DOS, but I might have to find it. BB> ftp://ftp.delorie.com/pub/djgpp/current/v2gnu BB> as stated on http://freedos-32.sourceforge.net/showdoc.php?page=howto-cvs ?

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 bugreport place?

2006-11-02 Thread Bernd Blaauw
Blair Campbell schreef: > He meant the OpenWatcom package that is supplied with FreeDOS 1.0, but > I don't know what that has to do with config.bat > What I mean is that the kernel sources (if installed by FreeDOS 1.0.0) use a file named config.bat to indicate compiler settings. Also, FreeDOS 1

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 bugreport place?

2006-11-02 Thread Blair Campbell
On 11/2/06, Arkady V.Belousov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi! > > 2-Ноя-2006 19:49 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bernd Blaauw) wrote to > freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net: > > BB> Also I'm curious if installing OpenWatcom from FreeDOS 1.0 configures > BB> the config.bat, > > OW doesn't presents DOS i

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 bugreport place?

2006-11-02 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi! 2-Ноя-2006 19:49 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bernd Blaauw) wrote to freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net: BB> Also I'm curious if installing OpenWatcom from FreeDOS 1.0 configures BB> the config.bat, OW doesn't presents DOS installer. If you wrote own installer, you may update there anything. BB

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 bugreport place?

2006-11-02 Thread Bernd Blaauw
Arkady V.Belousov schreef: > EA> But no valid install targets. > > This is another question. > FreeCOM does allow COPY NUL C:\TEST.TXT resulting in a 0 byte file. Can't help it if MS COMMAND.COM doesn't allow it, we're using FreeCOM anyway for installation purposes due to its added functi

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 bugreport place?

2006-11-02 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi! 2-Ноя-2006 18:41 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric Auer) wrote to "Arkady V.Belousov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> EA> cdrom drives have drive letters and are non-FAT, plus >> But then they anyway "formatted". :) EA> But no valid install targets. This is another question.

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 bugreport place?

2006-11-02 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi! 2-Ноя-2006 15:38 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric Auer) wrote to "Arkady V.Belousov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> You can't write on non-FAT partitions, because such partitions >> don't get drive letter. EA> cdrom drives have drive letters and are non-FAT, plus But then they anyway "formatted". :)

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 bugreport place?

2006-11-02 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi! 11-Окт-2006 12:48 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric Auer) wrote to freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net: >> %comspec% /f /c copy nul c:\test.txt EA> This is probably because the FIRST shell does the redirection and EA> the second shell only does ECHO YES! Good point. And of course it EA> would be very g

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 bugreport place?

2006-11-02 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi! 11-Окт-2006 02:24 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bernd Blaauw) wrote to freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net: BB> * SETUP.BAT batchfile, line 99, which tests if a file can be created on BB> C:\ , kinda needs a change. It relies on redirection and on BB> the /F parameter of the SHELL LINE in a config.sys

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 is compatible to MS-DOS version???

2006-10-30 Thread Blair Campbell
Well, several versions actually. There are many features found from versions 3 to 7. On 10/30/06, Lyrical Nanoha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 30 Oct 2006, TG wrote: > > > I have a (silly) question. A brand new installation of FreeDOS 1.0 is > > supposed to emulate what version of MS-DOS?

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 is compatible to MS-DOS version???

2006-10-30 Thread Lyrical Nanoha
On Mon, 30 Oct 2006, TG wrote: > I have a (silly) question. A brand new installation of FreeDOS 1.0 is > supposed to emulate what version of MS-DOS? As far as I know, 3.31. > Right now, my base install of FreeDOS 1.0 reminds me of a cross between > MS-DOS 3.3 and MS-DOS 5.0. I know there will pr

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 is compatible to MS-DOS version???

2006-10-30 Thread Florian Xaver
> Right now, my base install of FreeDOS 1.0 reminds me of a cross between > MS-DOS 3.3 and MS-DOS 5.0. I know there will probably be no equivalent to > MS-DOS Shell (courtesy of the Central Point Software UI) especially since > GEM is widely available. Or oZone ;-)) Bye Flo -- Florian Xaver W

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 is compatible to MS-DOS version???

2006-10-30 Thread Alain M.
In fact FreeDOS has *many* MS-DOS 7.10 features :) FAT32 today is one that is very important, LFN too... Alain TG escreveu: > I have a (silly) question. A brand new installation of FreeDOS 1.0 is > supposed to emulate what version of MS-DOS? ---

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 bugreport place?

2006-10-11 Thread Eric Auer
> You know, a small piece of code could be written to simply read the > partition table and check for FAT/FAT32 partitions instead of the > whole %comspec% /f thing... The answer to this is two-fold... First, things are not that simple. You can get drives from various sources, and it can be comp

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 bugreport place?

2006-10-11 Thread TG
t; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 6:48 AM Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 bugreport place? > > Hi Bernd, > >> Guys, where's the best place to put some feedback on the 1.0 ISO? tiny >> bugreports and tiny enhancement ideas as we

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 bugreport place?

2006-10-11 Thread Lyrical Nanoha
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006, Alain M. wrote: > Eric Auer escreveu: >> >> you have to decide yourself whether things are interesting >> for the list. sometimes it can be better to mail a few >> people directly first, and only start using the list as >> soon as things start being of public interest. > > Tha

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 bugreport place?

2006-10-11 Thread Alain M.
Eric Auer escreveu: > > you have to decide yourself whether things are interesting > for the list. sometimes it can be better to mail a few > people directly first, and only start using the list as > soon as things start being of public interest. That has been an old source of disagreement betwe

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 bugreport place?

2006-10-11 Thread Eric Auer
Hi Bernd, > Guys, where's the best place to put some feedback on the 1.0 ISO? tiny > bugreports and tiny enhancement ideas as well to an otherwise great > distro already. > * Bugzilla? for real bugs ;-) > * Tech Wiki? > * Install Wiki? you can add a note about misbehaving 1.0 things to the ht

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 bugreport place?

2006-10-10 Thread Tony
I figure the best place would be whereever Blair would check (or where he would like it to be). We can borrow a lot of interesting things from Microsoft and other OSes in certain situations. For example, we can borrow from Microsoft the idea of an Emergency Boot Disk (EBD). This disk could be

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS "1.0" in the news

2006-09-06 Thread Adam Peart
I'm not sure how it's done, but I think you can also use ibiblio to host torrents for any content already on they're servers. See: http://torrent.ibiblio.org/ Andre Tertling wrote: > Hi everybody, > > I took the freedom to post the images available on ibiblio to the emule > content database at

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS "1.0" in the news

2006-09-06 Thread Andre Tertling
Hi everybody, I took the freedom to post the images available on ibiblio to the emule content database at http://content.emule-project.net/view.php?pid=1519 so that more people learn about it and can download it within a reasonable time (took me several hours to get the smallest iso from ibibli

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS "1.0" in the news

2006-09-04 Thread Aitor Santamaría
Well, the first feature of FreeDOS mentioned in Slashdot is LFN support... I hope it is not bringing much headaches ;-) Aitor 2006/9/5, Jim Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Just in case anyone is interested in the press coverage this is getting: > > Heise Online was the first to post an article about

Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos 1.0

2006-08-24 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi! 24-Авг-2006 14:48 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (tom ehlert) wrote to freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net: te> a:>xcopy DIR test3 /d te> where DIR is a directory te> should create test3 without asking Who is maintainer of xcopy? te> PS: the 'single stepping' bug te> singlestepping can be disabled

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 relase, was MS-DOS image

2006-08-19 Thread Alain M.
Michael Devore escreveu: > Yeah, but if you release what is perceived by more than a few percentage of > users as a failed install or operation, FreeDOS could require significant > damage control. And give more credibility to a few vultures who will > over-hype FD problems for their own purpose

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 relase, was MS-DOS image

2006-08-18 Thread Michael Devore
At 09:00 PM 8/18/2006 -0400, Gregory Pietsch wrote: >Alain M. wrote: > > > > May I offer a suggestion: we can have > > FreeDOS 1.0 alfa > > FreeDOS 1.0 beta 1 > > FreeDOS 1.0 beta 2 > > > > That would keep the schedule *and* allow time to test... > > > > >Boy, it seems like 1.0 is a perfection that

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 relase, was MS-DOS image

2006-08-18 Thread Gregory Pietsch
Alain M. wrote: > Michael Devore escreveu: > >> Personally? I want another week to clear my schedule of incoming (and hope >> there isn't a lot more) plus monitoring, and another week after that for >> follow-up. Currently I feel like I "should" get a release out the door >> today, and fran

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 relase, was MS-DOS image

2006-08-18 Thread Alain M.
Michael Devore escreveu: > Personally? I want another week to clear my schedule of incoming (and hope > there isn't a lot more) plus monitoring, and another week after that for > follow-up. Currently I feel like I "should" get a release out the door > today, and frankly I'd like more time tha

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 relase, was MS-DOS image

2006-08-18 Thread Michael Devore
At 02:01 PM 8/18/2006 -0500, Jim Hall wrote: > > Basically, what I'm asking for, and I can't believe I'm doing it, is for a > > bit more time to pass, keeping the release based on feedback levels and > > with an eye on a firm release date in a timely fashion. Your original > > announcement of a

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 relase, was MS-DOS image

2006-08-18 Thread Jim Hall
Michael Devore wrote: > At 01:08 PM 8/18/2006 -0500, you wrote: > >> I feel it's important to get "1.0" out there to draw a line in the sand, >> that we're at least "1.0" quality. We can do what MS-DOS could do. Maybe >> we have a few bugs, but (and maybe this is a sad fact) what "1.0" >> softwa

Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos 1.0 preview 2 installer testing

2006-08-10 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi! 26-Июл-2006 04:19 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric Auer) wrote to freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net: EA> data. So "echo hello > foo,bat" will write something EA> like to foo,bat like: EA> "echo hello > foo.bat [YES=Enter No=Esc] ? ---^ EA> hello " (also note the space after "hello").

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 slight delay; New testing release

2006-08-01 Thread Michael Devore
At 12:08 AM 8/1/2006 -0700, Blair Campbell wrote: >Due to the serious nature of the recent bug reports for the latest >testing release, I would like to release one more testing release (at >least) that would hopefully fix the users' problems. (Probably coming >out tomorrow). Tangentially related

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 slight delay; New testing release

2006-08-01 Thread Bernd Blaauw
Alain M. schreef: > I believe that you are doing the right thing. A stable 1.0 is *very* > important, just in my opinion, of course ;-) > A stable 1.0 is appreciated, for how the public judges on FreeDOS. For other people it however counts as "hey now we got a stable base platform we can exte

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 slight delay; New testing release

2006-08-01 Thread Alain M.
I believe that you are doing the right thing. A stable 1.0 is *very* important, just in my opinion, of course ;-) Alain Blair Campbell escreveu: > Due to the serious nature of the recent bug reports for the latest > testing release, I would like to release one more testing release (at > least) t

Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos 1.0 preview 2 installer testing

2006-07-27 Thread Bernd Blaauw
Eric Auer schreef: > Hi all, > > for extra fun, I traced through the installer batch > files in the new fdbasecd (1.0 preview 2 cdrom iso) > tonight... The new ISOLINUX 3.11 still did not like > me (hangs on boot), but I could again use the special > boot diskette... The cdrom driver liked my dvd d

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 Testing distribution soon available

2006-07-22 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi! 21-Июл-2006 18:43 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andreas Bollhalder) wrote to freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net: >> AB> There is no real / perfect solution to have a precise clock in a VM. >> AB> This is because it would have a big performance penalty. >> Let me doubt in this - for example, for DO

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 Testing distribution soon available

2006-07-22 Thread Andreas Bollhalder
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Arkady V.Belousov wrote: > AB> Most emulators / virtualizer are now close to 1 (as of QEMU and VMware). > AB> There is no real / perfect solution to have a precise clock in a VM. > AB> This is because it would have a big performance penalty. > >

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 Testing distribution soon available

2006-07-22 Thread Florian Xaver
> Another thing when running FreeDOS in a VM is the CPU usage of the host > machine. It will be go to 100% and the CPU fan will start. I use always > the FDAPM with the parameter APMDOS so the HLT command is used (I think > it's the instruction). With this, the host CPU is about 4% usage on my > 1G

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 Testing distribution soon available

2006-07-20 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi! 20-Июл-2006 18:43 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andreas Bollhalder) wrote to freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net: >> Does this mean, that when you run some program, which shows clock (for >> example, Norton and Volcov Commander may show clock), then this clock is too >> fast? And how it fast - 1.5

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 Testing distribution soon available

2006-07-20 Thread Andreas Bollhalder
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As I can tell from my experince, the factor depends a lot from the host speed and emulation / virtualisation software. I saw speed differences from about a bit faster ( > 1.0) up to 10 times. Most emulators / virtualizer are now close to 1 (as of QEMU

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 Testing distribution soon available

2006-07-20 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi! 19-Июл-2006 17:49 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andreas Bollhalder) wrote to freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net: AB> for two days and I had to read about 70 mail... I personally use QEMU AB> and VMware Server for testing purposes and timers often run too fast. I AB> remember that I saw this effect in B

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 Testing distribution soon available

2006-07-19 Thread Andreas Bollhalder
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ok, first sorry about the "unneeded" info. I couldn't check my emails for two days and I had to read about 70 mail... I personally use QEMU and VMware Server for testing purposes and timers often run too fast. I remember that I saw this effect in Bochs

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 Testing distribution soon available

2006-07-18 Thread Alain M.
Arkady V.Belousov escreveu: > AB> Especially when testing in a VM, the timer runs often too fast. > This is very strange, because shouldn't happen - config.c for timeouts > uses BIOS timer variable (see GetBiosTime() usage in GetBiosKey()). And, > with current code in GetBiosKey(), worser ca

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 Testing distribution soon available

2006-07-18 Thread Alain M.
We agree (Eric, Arkady ans me(Alain)) without any discussion! This must be something to comemorate... Alain Arkady V.Belousov escreveu: > > Win9x setup gives timeout before reboot, _after_ setup finished (some > steps). And I disagree, that installer should be timeouted in any part, > espe

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 Testing distribution soon available

2006-07-18 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi! 18-Июл-2006 23:09 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andreas Bollhalder) wrote to freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net: >> One thing I would recommend is that we not have a timer on the options >> when you boot the install CD. If I were a new user to FreeDOS, I'd >> probably feel a bit rushed and would prefe

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 Testing distribution soon available

2006-07-18 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi! 17-Июл-2006 19:01 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Blair Campbell) wrote to freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net: >> > The only two timeouts are the first timeout which defaults to boot >> > from the hard drive rather than the CD-ROM (nothing wrong with that >> > IMHO), and the second just boots defaultly i

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 Testing distribution soon available

2006-07-18 Thread Andreas Bollhalder
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Especially when testing in a VM, the timer runs often too fast. Andreas > One thing I would recommend is that we not have a timer on the options > when you boot the install CD. If I were a new user to FreeDOS, I'd > probably feel a bit rushed and wo

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 Testing distribution soon available

2006-07-18 Thread Michael Devore
At 12:41 PM 7/17/2006 -0700, Blair Campbell wrote: >The only two timeouts are the first timeout which defaults to boot >from the hard drive rather than the CD-ROM (nothing wrong with that >IMHO), and the second just boots defaultly into installation mode, >which is what most people will be after.

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 Testing distribution soon available

2006-07-18 Thread Jim Hall
I feel very strongly that we must not have timeouts on the options when you first boot. Eric gives a good example - it happened to me. I was at work when I was testing the new CDROM (on Parallels on my iMac) and happened to get a phone call. When I looked back at my session, I had gotten an

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 Testing distribution soon available

2006-07-18 Thread Eric Auer
Hi all, I did a bit of testing... > www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.0-Testing > fdbasecd.iso - FreeDOS BASE diskset without sources --> tested that one > Some new features in the ISO are: > - Powerbatch is used in some cases to make the overall experience > feel

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 Testing distribution soon available

2006-07-17 Thread Blair Campbell
They have 15 seconds the first time (Win98 only gives 10 FYI), and the second timeout gives 30 seconds. More than enough IMHO. On 7/17/06, Eric Auer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The only two timeouts are the first timeout which defaults to boot > > from the hard drive rather than the CD-ROM (

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 Testing distribution soon available

2006-07-17 Thread Eric Auer
> The only two timeouts are the first timeout which defaults to boot > from the hard drive rather than the CD-ROM (nothing wrong with that > IMHO), and the second just boots defaultly into installation mode, > which is what most people will be after. Please do not make that kind of assumptions. P

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 Testing distribution soon available

2006-07-17 Thread Blair Campbell
The only two timeouts are the first timeout which defaults to boot from the hard drive rather than the CD-ROM (nothing wrong with that IMHO), and the second just boots defaultly into installation mode, which is what most people will be after. On 7/17/06, Marcus Furlong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 Testing distribution soon available

2006-07-17 Thread Marcus Furlong
Jim Hall wrote: > I'm experimenting with fdfullws.iso at the moment. It looks good so > far, but I'm not done with the install yet. There is some menu cleanup > that we could do before 1.0 ... I'll do some more experimenting and see > if I can suggest something. > > One thing I would recommend

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 Testing distribution soon available

2006-07-17 Thread Jim Hall
I'm experimenting with fdfullws.iso at the moment. It looks good so far, but I'm not done with the install yet. There is some menu cleanup that we could do before 1.0 ... I'll do some more experimenting and see if I can suggest something. One thing I would recommend is that we not have a time

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0

2005-12-25 Thread aitorsm
>> > errors). Thus LFN support should not be mandatory, in fact we >> > may want to offer support for it as a second binary (eg tree v3.x >> > is intended for older systems or spaced limited ones, whereas >> > pdtree (tree v4.x) supports LFNs (and additional items on NT systems >> > such as indica

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0

2005-12-17 Thread Blair Campbell
> > errors). Thus LFN support should not be mandatory, in fact we > > may want to offer support for it as a second binary (eg tree v3.x > > is intended for older systems or spaced limited ones, whereas > > pdtree (tree v4.x) supports LFNs (and additional items on NT systems > > such as indicating

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0

2005-11-09 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi! 9-Ноя-2005 09:03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Blair Campbell) wrote to freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net: >> BC> May be distributed freely, but not sold as a programmer's tool. >> BC> Hmm. Seems to be compatible with the GPL >> No, this is _not_ compatible to GPL (GPL doesn't restricts usage,

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0

2005-11-09 Thread Blair Campbell
> If you release (or sell) only the binaries, you must offer to make > available the source code, and you can't charge anything you want > for that: (from the GPL): Since only the source code for these pascal units is available, it isn't actually prohibiting the sale of binaries, but rather proh

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0

2005-11-09 Thread Mark Bailey
Blair Campbell wrote: BC> May be distributed freely, but not sold as a programmer's tool. BC> Hmm. Seems to be compatible with the GPL No, this is _not_ compatible to GPL (GPL doesn't restricts usage, including solding). But isn't it against the GPL to sell source code or binary unles

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0

2005-11-09 Thread Eric Auer
On Wed, 9 Nov 2005, Blair Campbell wrote: BC> May be distributed freely, but not sold as a programmer's tool. BC> Hmm. Seems to be compatible with the GPL But isn't it against the GPL to sell source code or binary unless it is a distribution fee? I think that this is what the author mean

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0

2005-11-09 Thread Blair Campbell
> BC> May be distributed freely, but not sold as a programmer's tool. > BC> Hmm. Seems to be compatible with the GPL > > No, this is _not_ compatible to GPL (GPL doesn't restricts usage, > including solding). But isn't it against the GPL to sell source code or binary unless it is a distribu

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0

2005-11-09 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi! 8-Ноя-2005 22:03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Blair Campbell) wrote to freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net: BC> May be distributed freely, but not sold as a programmer's tool. BC> Hmm. Seems to be compatible with the GPL No, this is _not_ compatible to GPL (GPL doesn't restricts usage, includi

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0

2005-11-08 Thread Blair Campbell
> Many thanks! Interesting... I'll see about licensing, of course. > Aitor > Kim Kokkonen, TurboPower Software Co. CompuServe 76004,2611 May be distributed freely, but not sold as a programmer's tool. Version 1.0, 10/3/95 Hmm. Seems to be compatible with the GPL (or other open-source l

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0

2005-11-08 Thread Aitor Santamaría Merino
Many thanks! Interesting... I'll see about licensing, of course. Aitor Blair Campbell escribió: (Well, personally I would not be happy with LFN being mandatory, it'd force me to entirely write LFN for Pascal, or see how FPC's LFN can be compiled for TP, as the KEYB non-resident code is, for the

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0

2005-11-07 Thread Blair Campbell
> (Well, personally I would not be happy with LFN being mandatory, it'd > force me to entirely write LFN for Pascal, or see how FPC's LFN can be > compiled for TP, as the KEYB non-resident code is, for the moment, > written in Pascal, the only inheritance remaining from the xkeyb days). What about

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0

2005-11-07 Thread Blair Campbell
> > dblspace/drvspace/stacker clone using large amounts of code from the > > linux fs driver dmsdosfs > > For all compilers, for assembler, etc? dmsdosfs is written in C. --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Tame your development challenges with A

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0

2005-10-16 Thread Aitor Santamaría Merino
Hi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: What does /M do? I think SHSUCDX is quite sufficient for FD 1.0 Put by me, copied from MSCDEX: I suppose MSCDEX does some disk catching, if this is already configurable in LBACACHE for CD-ROMs, then I could just edit the list, make a note that it should be co

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0

2005-10-16 Thread Aitor Santamaría Merino
Hi, Blair Campbell escribió: Hi. I just thought that I'd start a topic before I left for two weeks about a FreeDOS 1.0 release. It has been suggested that I release my Beta 9 Enhanced Release distro as a FreeDOS 1.0 pre-release distro. For one, this would mean that it would get tested more fr

RE: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0

2005-10-16 Thread Diego Rodriguez
> Hi. I just thought that I'd start a topic before I left for two > weeks > about a FreeDOS 1.0 release. It has been suggested that I release my > Beta 9 Enhanced Release distro as a FreeDOS 1.0 pre-release distro. > For one, this would mean that it would get tested more frequently, > also it wo

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0

2005-10-16 Thread Florian Xaver
Hi! I am very lucky with FreeDOS at the moment. This week it was the first time, i have had a STABLE FreeDOS system!!! I may tell you, which drivers i am using(latest versions of drivers): (FreeDOS kernel from 21. Juli 2005) himem.exe udma2.sys duse.exe (USB support) ctmouse.exe atapicdd.sys sh

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0

2005-10-16 Thread Michael Devore
At 10:21 PM 10/15/2005 -0700, Blair Campbell wrote: Hi. I just thought that I'd start a topic before I left for two weeks about a FreeDOS 1.0 release. It has been suggested that I release my Beta 9 Enhanced Release distro as a FreeDOS 1.0 pre-release distro. For one, this would mean that it wo

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0

2005-10-16 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- Original Message - Subject: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 22:21:15 -0700 From: Blair Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: FreeDOS Devel >Hi. I just thought that I'd start a topic before I left for two weeks >about a FreeDOS 1.0 release. It has been sugge

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 TODO list ready (but not yet posted)

2004-03-27 Thread Bart Oldeman
On Thu, 25 Mar 2004, Gregory Pietsch wrote: > i (insert mode) - implemented. I made the get-out-of-insert-mode > character a period on an otherwise blank line instead of control-Z > because the one thing I hated about MS edlin was the use of control > characters in the syntax. (The period can be e

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 TODO list ready (but not yet posted)

2004-03-26 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi! 26-Мар-2004 11:21 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (tom ehlert) wrote to Aitor Santamarэa Merino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>>emm386 RAM=m-n range for UMBs + EMS >>>emm386 ROM=m-n range of RAM to be used to shadow ROM >>> as soon as someone finds out what that's supposed to do _exactly_ ASM>> My guesses: te>

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 TODO list ready (but not yet posted)

2004-03-26 Thread Aitor Santamaría Merino
Hi, tom ehlert escribió: emm386 RAM=m-n range for UMBs + EMS emm386 ROM=m-n range of RAM to be used to shadow ROM as soon as someone finds out what that's supposed to do _exactly_ ASM> My guesses: ASM> RAM wrong guess why? I mean, you don't know how to implement this... (see below) AS

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 TODO list ready (but not yet posted)

2004-03-26 Thread tom ehlert
>>emm386 RAM=m-n range for UMBs + EMS >>emm386 ROM=m-n range of RAM to be used to shadow ROM >> >> as soon as someone finds out what that's supposed to do _exactly_ >> ASM> My guesses: ASM> RAM wrong guess ASM> My suspicion is ... ASM> ROM, my guessing is (only a guessing), ... e.g. Eric impl

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 TODO list ready (but not yet posted)

2004-03-25 Thread Gregory Pietsch
Aitor Santamaría Merino wrote: Hi, Gregory Pietsch escribió: I don't see anything about edlin or code in there, so I guess they are okay, or am I just not getting any feedback? Oops, sorry! When the list was first posted, EDLIN didn't exist, so I'll add it (to MISC utilities, ok?). Could yo

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 TODO list ready (but not yet posted)

2004-03-25 Thread Aitor Santamari'a Merino
Luchezar Georgiev escribio': Here is a quote from the spec (http://fd-doc.sourceforge.net/spec/spec.html): The MS-DOS 3.3 compatibility extends only to the FreeDOS kernel. FreeDOS programs should be compatible with MS-DOS 6.22, because those are the features that users will be most familiar wi

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 TODO list ready (but not yet posted)

2004-03-25 Thread Aitor Santamaría Merino
Hi, Gregory Pietsch escribió: I don't see anything about edlin or code in there, so I guess they are okay, or am I just not getting any feedback? Oops, sorry! When the list was first posted, EDLIN didn't exist, so I'll add it (to MISC utilities, ok?). Could you report on the commands already

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 TODO list ready (but not yet posted)

2004-03-25 Thread Aitor Santamaría Merino
Hi, Luchezar Georgiev escribiÃ: Thanks, Aitor! 1.0 todo's: http://fdos.org/ripcord/fdos_1_0/official/todos.htm As far as I know, APPEND is considered dangerous and incompatible. It had better stay missing. Well, it is not aware of task switchers, it may have problems with executing nested SH

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 TODO list ready (but not yet posted)

2004-03-25 Thread Aitor Santamaría Merino
Hi, BTW, TO EVERYBODY (I forgot to say): changes will not be commited IMMEDIATELY, ok? tom ehlert escribió: emm386 RAM=m-n range for UMBs + EMS emm386 ROM=m-n range of RAM to be used to shadow ROM as soon as someone finds out what that's supposed to do _exactly_ My guesses: RAM (you can spe

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 TODO list ready (but not yet posted)

2004-03-25 Thread Aitor Santamaría Merino
Many thanks, Bart. Alain, that is what I tried to explain but with nicest words (probably of an English native speaker! ;-)). Aitor Bart Oldeman escribió: I think that SCANDISK is the most important missing program. it may be important, but I respectfully disagree it being a showstopper.

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 TODO list ready (but not yet posted)

2004-03-25 Thread Aitor Santamaría Merino
Nice that you pointed about FAT32. I'll explain what I tried to reflect in the list (because FAT32 was not popular time ago). My point has been: FAT32 support is left as post-1.0. The fact that KERNEL, FDISK and other components already support FAT32 is an extra plus, but maybe we don't need to

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 TODO list ready (but not yet posted)

2004-03-25 Thread Alain
A little more about memory testing: A good teste program must be very long, for one thing that nowdays memory are prone to random errors, not only repeatable ones. What I believe is usefull is something else: just check if it is there at all, if there are no holes (like the one at 16Mb inserted

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 TODO list ready (but not yet posted)

2004-03-25 Thread Luchezar Georgiev
Yes, Bart, "the show must go on!" ;-) The FreeDOS spec still states that we should be compatible with MSDOS 3.3. Here is a quote from the spec (http://fd-doc.sourceforge.net/spec/spec.html): The MS-DOS 3.3 compatibility extends only to the FreeDOS kernel. FreeDOS programs should be compatible

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 TODO list ready (but not yet posted)

2004-03-25 Thread tom ehlert
Hello Alain, A> tom ehlert escreveu: >> himem /TESTMEM:ON|OFF >> really want a (bad) memory test in 1.0 ? A> As bad as is MS's is, it did save me many times. Consider it not a A> _test_for_100%_ok_ but as a _test_if_exists_ and I disagree. If you want a memorytest (I don't question that), you

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 TODO list ready (but not yet posted)

2004-03-25 Thread Bart Oldeman
On Thu, 25 Mar 2004, Luchezar Georgiev wrote: > Thanks, Aitor! > > 1.0 todo's: http://fdos.org/ripcord/fdos_1_0/official/todos.htm > As far as I know, APPEND is considered dangerous and incompatible. It had > better stay missing. > I think that SCANDISK is the most important missing program. it

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 TODO list ready (but not yet posted)

2004-03-25 Thread Luchezar Georgiev
If we have a fat32 kernel, and chkdsk is only fat16 we cannot use it :( We can, but only on FAT12 and FAT16 volumes. But SCANDISK must support FAT32. That's why it had better use the DOSFSCK, not CHKDSK engine. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 TODO list ready (but not yet posted)

2004-03-25 Thread Alain
tom ehlert escreveu: himem /TESTMEM:ON|OFF really want a (bad) memory test in 1.0 ? As bad as is MS's is, it did save me many times. Consider it not a _test_for_100%_ok_ but as a _test_if_exists_ and you can understand how good it is. IMHO if implemented, it should be implemented with that f

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 TODO list ready (but not yet posted)

2004-03-25 Thread Alain
Hi, I found this: chkdsk Ready 2003-10-6 I don't agree. If we have a fat32 kernel, and chkdsk is only fat16 we cannot use it :( There could be a reference to dosfsck, stating not compatible or something. Alain Aitor Santamaría Merino escreveu: I have committed most of the pending ch

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 TODO list ready (but not yet posted)

2004-03-25 Thread Luchezar Georgiev
Thanks, Aitor! 1.0 todo's: http://fdos.org/ripcord/fdos_1_0/official/todos.htm As far as I know, APPEND is considered dangerous and incompatible. It had better stay missing. I think that SCANDISK is the most important missing program. Whether to borrow code for it from CHKDSK, DOSFSCK, both or n

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 TODO list ready (but not yet posted)

2004-03-25 Thread tom ehlert
emm386 RAM=m-n range for UMBs + EMS emm386 ROM=m-n range of RAM to be used to shadow ROM as soon as someone finds out what that's supposed to do _exactly_ himem /INT15H=xxx himem /HMAMIN=m prehistoric crap might be moved to Post 3.0 himem /TESTMEM:ON|OFF really want a (bad) memory test

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.0 TODO list ready (but not yet posted)

2004-03-25 Thread Gregory Pietsch
Aitor Santamaría Merino wrote: Hi all, I have committed most of the pending changes to the TODO list. While Jim and I acknowledge on the way of reintegrating it on the site, Bernd has kindly posted a preview of the list in the links below: 1.0 todo's: http://fdos.org/ripcord/fdos_1_0/official/t