Re: [Freesurfer] How to do permutation for multiple comparison correction?

2020-08-04 Thread Xiaojiang Yang
External Email - Use Caution Thank you! Now I see how permutation works. So given about 100-200 subjects in the normal group, doing 1000 permutations is of no help. In fact, in my cortical thickness abnormality test, no matter how many times of permutations I take, the original

Re: [Freesurfer] How to do permutation for multiple comparison correction?

2020-08-04 Thread Douglas N. Greve
There are actually only N-1 permutations that you can make: Real matrix: 1 0 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 1 Permutation 1: 0 1 1 0 0 1 0 1 0 1 Permutation 2: 0 1 0 1 1 0 0 1 0 1 On 8/4/2020 10:41 AM, Xiaojiang Yang wrote: External Email - Use Caution Hi Doug, I am still uncertain how to

Re: [Freesurfer] How to do permutation for multiple comparison correction?

2020-08-04 Thread Xiaojiang Yang
External Email - Use Caution Hi Doug, I am still uncertain how to permutate the data for multiple comparisons. Please help me with a little more details on this. For example, could you give me 2-3 examples of the permutations for the matrix you gave to me? In addition, if you

Re: [Freesurfer] How to do permutation for multiple comparison correction?

2020-07-23 Thread Douglas N. Greve
You would have a design matrix with two columns and rows equal to n+1, eg 1  0 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 1 ... n times you would then permute the design matrix On 7/23/2020 12:06 PM, Xiaojiang Yang wrote: External Email - Use Caution Hi Doug, For the first question, you answered "It is unusual,

Re: [Freesurfer] How to do permutation for multiple comparison correction?

2020-07-23 Thread Xiaojiang Yang
External Email - Use Caution Hi Doug, For the first question, you answered "It is unusual, though it should work". Could you please briefly describe the way FS used to permute (based on my notation v0, v1, ... vn)? Or, the usual way to permute? The way I described seems to be

Re: [Freesurfer] How to do permutation for multiple comparison correction?

2020-07-23 Thread Douglas N. Greve
On 7/21/2020 11:45 AM, Xiaojiang Yang wrote: External Email - Use Caution Hi Doug, For your questions: 1. "Not sure what you mean by in the ROI. Are you trying to permute across space? That generally does not work because the points are not exchangeable across space." By "In the

Re: [Freesurfer] How to do permutation for multiple comparison correction?

2020-07-21 Thread Xiaojiang Yang
External Email - Use Caution Hi Doug, For your questions: 1. "Not sure what you mean by in the ROI. Are you trying to permute across space? That generally does not work because the points are not exchangeable across space." By "In the ROI", I mean for all vertices listed in

Re: [Freesurfer] How to do permutation for multiple comparison correction?

2020-07-21 Thread Douglas N. Greve
On 7/21/2020 1:12 AM, Xiaojiang Yang wrote: External Email - Use Caution Dear FS experts, Instead of using mri_glmfit-sim, I am trying to implement a customized multiple comparison correction algorithm using permutation. Before I implement my own, I want to make sure my

[Freesurfer] How to do permutation for multiple comparison correction?

2020-07-20 Thread Xiaojiang Yang
External Email - Use Caution Dear FS experts, Instead of using mri_glmfit-sim, I am trying to implement a customized multiple comparison correction algorithm using permutation. Before I implement my own, I want to make sure my permutation idea is correct. So I was looking at how