I asked how 300 million people settled on 0.0725 government
employees/capita for 30 years and continued arguing the whole time about
whether the government was getting too big. Did they not know that the
size of the government/capita had stabilized? Did they not understand that
the number of
Why are we having this discussion ? You folks have a President who
knows and operates on the Heisenberg Principle.
His desire to hear the case raises the obvious question: Why didn’t he just
make it himself? “It’s the Heisenberg principle,” he says. “Me asking the
question changes the answer.”
The whole subject is embarrassing. 18 people, including an innocent
Ambassador, have been killed for nothing.
Yet people who do crazy things are not necessarily crazy. Although the riots
in the Arab world may appear strange to us - after all what has a stupid
YouTube film of an odd Egyptian
On 09/14/2012 06:56 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:
For me, consciousness is a point of view, and any telic system has a point
of view. Zombies are telic systems, no?
That's a great question. I would answer no. Zombies cannot be telic
(as I understand that word, of course) because they are
Glen,
Wow! This Zombie thing is WAY more complicated than I thought it was.
Although I haven't read any Kant first hand, I hear him lurking in the
background. For me, a thermostat/furnace system is a telic system. It acts
in such a way as to maintain a set point. So do I, sometimes. Me
Roger,
Two points:
1) Being a third party kind of guy, with no particular loyalty for or against
Obama (though keeping a healthy fear of Romney), I share Owen's frustration at
Obama's inability/unwillingness to clearly articulate his successes. His
overall record includes a surprising number of
On 09/15/2012 06:59 AM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:
Wow! This Zombie thing is WAY more complicated than I thought it was.
Although I haven't read any Kant first hand, I hear him lurking in the
background. For me, a thermostat/furnace system is a telic system. It acts
in such a way as to
Glen of course the next step in a discussion like this is for someone
to ask you what evidence you have that any actual thing has more actor status
than a thermostat. Answering this questions adequately requires 1) taking into
account the complexity of what a thermostat accomplishes and 2)
:)
On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 2:28 AM, Roger Critchlow r...@elf.org wrote:
I asked how 300 million people settled on 0.0725 government
employees/capita for 30 years and continued arguing the whole time about
whether the government was getting too big. Did they not know that the
size of the
You guys clearly know too much about philosophy and not enough about
zombies. Your notion that there is a single type of zombie has long been
discredited. Here's a handy chart that I hope can inform your discussion.
http://www.geekologie.com/image.php?path=/2010/10/05/zombie-chart-full.jpg
—R
I suppose subject line for this one could have been Warning, anther turd
in the pool.
On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.netwrote:
In the spirit of not hijacking threads, yet maintaining a bit of
continuity from the last couple of conversations:
Well, I
Sorry to be late responding .. we're getting ready for a trip to Italy for
6 weeks and boy, does that require a LOT of work!
As I understand it, you're pointing out that the catholic church was
culpably silent on the child sex scandals. I TOTALLY agree!
I'd like to distinguish between
A thoughtful and well articulated response Owen, thanks.
We only appear to differ regarding your distinction between Organization
and Community. The way look at it is that if you voluntarily join an
organization, you have become a part of it. Period. If you allow that
organization to continue
I inadvertently deleted the message with the size-of-government graph. Would
whoever posted that please send to me? pam...@well.com
Thanks.
P.
Whether I shall turn out to be the hero of my own life, or whether that
station will be held by anybody else, these pages must show.
Charles
Sounds like you might have had a case of itchy delete key finger, Pamela.
Quite understandable, given the recent FRIAM flood.
Here rec's message that has a link to the graph:
This graph shows the government employees in the US, all levels of
government, divided by the population of the US.
So you bought into the USA organization?
You pay taxes that kill people, that fight wars you detest.
This may seem absurd, but I have kept a passport valid over the years since
I realized I don't buy completely into the USA organization. I may find I
have to leave.
At least the church has come
True, my citizenship is American. Not exactly the same as voluntarily
joining an organization, but close enough for the sake of this discussion.
However I don't make excuses for America. Nor am I silent about
criticizing it's weaknesses, which I believe is the point you were
complaining about
thanks, Doug.
Honestly, I'm following the argument with great interest. Lack of time has
prevented me from joining in, not lack of opinions.
P.
On Sep 15, 2012, at 3:27 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote:
Sounds like you might have had a case of itchy delete key finger, Pamela.
Quite
On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 8:24 AM, ERIC P. CHARLES e...@psu.edu wrote:
Roger,
Two points:
1) Being a third party kind of guy, with no particular loyalty for or
against Obama (though keeping a healthy fear of Romney), I share Owen's
frustration at Obama's inability/unwillingness to clearly
On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 8:24 AM, ERIC P. CHARLES e...@psu.edu wrote:
Roger,
Two points:
2) I don't think anyone has a problem with the government scaling in
needed ways to the population. Yes, as cities get bigger, they need more
police officers, firemen, etc. When people complain about the
Well... yeah... on that point... but Ron Paul isn't saying the government has
been growing too big for the last 30 years. The graph you sent showed a BIG
increase in government per-capita employment between 1950 and 1970, and Ron
would probably argue that it was too big in 1950. If I get to put my
Eric,
I think this is brilliant. I would love to see 10 years of law removal.
I'm afraid Obamacare lost me the second I heard about its size. It is
disenfranchising, not only for the voters, but for the congressman who
couldn't digest it.
We pass laws, and if they don't work we add
On 9/15/2012 8:37 PM, Mike Oliker wrote:
fewer but better laws
I'm afraid Obamacare lost me the second I heard about its size.
http://www.cbo.gov/publication/43472
What Is the Net Budgetary Impact of the Coverage Provisions
Taking Into Account the Supreme Court's Decision?
CBO
I'm afraid I have not been following the news, but wasn't some of the
discussion about Muslims who have no opinion on the video or don't take it
seriously being antagonized? If so, I think the tenet that nobody has the
same religion, just their own views of what they say their religion is may
be a
On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 9:18 AM, Robert Holmes rob...@robertholmes.orgwrote:
You guys clearly know too much about philosophy and not enough about
zombies. Your notion that there is a single type of zombie has long been
discredited.
Not to mention the original meaning, which is somebody who
And to tie this into the other discussion:
The CDC is looking out for you:
http://www.cdc.gov/phpr/zombies/#/page/1
Curt
On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Robert Holmes rob...@robertholmes.orgwrote:
You guys clearly know too much about philosophy and not enough about
zombies. Your
Small is beautiful, but sometimes big and complex are necessary. There are
some computer programs that are essential to keep society running that are
necessarily big and complex. Or for a natural example, virtually everything
in biology is big (in terms of the number of things interacting) and
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