Re: [FRIAM] Memo To Jeff Bezos: The Most Productive Workers Are Team Players, Not Selfish Individualists | The Evolution Institute

2016-10-27 Thread Marcus Daniels
For hard problems that take a lot of working memory and a big knowledge base I think teams are hard to scale. Rather than making long-term commitments to a few people that can tackle the hard problems over time, organizations tend to favor easier to decompose problems than can fan out to more

Re: [FRIAM] Memo To Jeff Bezos: The Most Productive Workers Are Team Players, Not Selfish Individualists | The Evolution Institute

2016-10-27 Thread glen ep ropella
OK. I agree pretty much with what you say below. But that's more of a statement about the application of resources, not the efficacy of teams. Humans, being complex machines with diverse phenotypes are best applied to multifarious problems. As automation takes over tasks, the displaced humans sh

Re: [FRIAM] Memo To Jeff Bezos: The Most Productive Workers Are Team Players, Not Selfish Individualists | The Evolution Institute

2016-10-27 Thread Marcus Daniels
"I don't understand what you're saying, here. Are you saying that professionals don't, say, bake cookies for the PTA or their kid's baseball team? Obviously you're not saying that." I am talking about the major compromises people make to make it up the corporate ladder or beat out their comp

Re: [FRIAM] THREAD BENDING ALERT: Was "Is Bezos a Bozo?" IS NOW"Reading Email exchanges chronologically"

2016-10-27 Thread Owen Densmore
Here's an idea, to help clarify the discussion. Could you choose a thread you like and try to make an article or post from it? That'd give us an idea of your goal. There are a lot of possibilities, I think. -- Owen On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 11:03 PM, Nick Thompson wrote: > Dear everybody, > >

Re: [FRIAM] Memo To Jeff Bezos: The Most Productive Workers Are Team Players, Not Selfish Individualists | The Evolution Institute

2016-10-27 Thread glen ☣
On 10/27/2016 04:06 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: A professional avoids doing things outside of the stated goals of a team because their consulting rates or salary is in part a function of their productivity, and further belonging to other teams makes risks making them less potent on their primary

Re: [FRIAM] Memo To Jeff Bezos: The Most Productive Workers Are Team Players, Not Selfish Individualists | The Evolution Institute

2016-10-27 Thread Marcus Daniels
"You seem to be saying that, if an individual is a member of a team, they a) cannot do _anything_ outside the context of that team and b) they can't belong to any other teams. That's a very strange set of conditions to imply. Just because you're an employee of the NSA does not mean you can't u

Re: [FRIAM] Memo To Jeff Bezos: The Most Productive Workers Are Team Players, Not Selfish Individualists | The Evolution Institute

2016-10-27 Thread glen ☣
You seem to be saying that, if an individual is a member of a team, they a) cannot do _anything_ outside the context of that team and b) they can't belong to any other teams. That's a very strange set of conditions to imply. Just because you're an employee of the NSA does not mean you can't

Re: [FRIAM] Memo To Jeff Bezos: The Most Productive Workers Are Team Players, Not Selfish Individualists | The Evolution Institute

2016-10-27 Thread Marcus Daniels
Teams can give individuals more power, but they can discourage work that is novel. Often dense or clever things are seen as irrelevant because the context of applicability is not obvious. Sure I can have more power, but I'm not learning anything more about the world or really getting any be

Re: [FRIAM] Memo To Jeff Bezos: The Most Productive Workers Are Team Players, Not Selfish Individualists | The Evolution Institute

2016-10-27 Thread glen ☣
OK. But by making that argument, you've ceded the necessary assumption within your original argument. At this point, we're agreeing on the gist and disagreeing on minor embellishments. Teams, in the overwhelming majority of cases, increase the individual agency/power of the team members. As

Re: [FRIAM] Memo To Jeff Bezos: The Most Productive Workers Are Team Players, Not Selfish Individualists | The Evolution Institute

2016-10-27 Thread Marcus Daniels
All roads leading to Rome does not imply sufficiency of transportation in general. At some point someone might propose, "I'd like to visit my family in Astana and would like a road so that I don’t have to take a camel from Casablanca", and then they'd look at the map and see that Pisa lacked a

Re: [FRIAM] Memo To Jeff Bezos: The Most Productive Workers Are Team Players, Not Selfish Individualists | The Evolution Institute

2016-10-27 Thread ┣glen┫
Heh, you're piling over-simplificatino on top of over-simplification. If all roads lead to Rome, people would find it trivially easy to "change lanes" and go to any other place in the world by that road that leads _from_ Rome. And it's the very exploitable nature of the more complex structure

Re: [FRIAM] Memo To Jeff Bezos: The Most Productive Workers Are Team Players, Not Selfish Individualists | The Evolution Institute

2016-10-27 Thread Marcus Daniels
"Viewing such biasing as _limiting_ is a fundamental problem." If all roads lead to Rome, that's where people will end up. Of course, it is very exploitable, and one can get very good at gaming such a system.The agency one gains from doing so can give one the impression they are freer than

Re: [FRIAM] Memo To Jeff Bezos: The Most Productive Workers Are Team Players, Not Selfish Individualists | The Evolution Institute

2016-10-27 Thread ┣glen┫
No, governance does not imply limitations to autonomy. It biases autonomy. For example, if the team creates roads upon which we can drive, it puts in place rules for what types of behaviors are appropriate for those roads (no DUI). But it simultaneously opens up lots of behaviors the individ

Re: [FRIAM] THREAD BENDING ALERT: Was "Is Bezos a Bozo?" IS NOW"Reading Email exchanges chronologically"

2016-10-27 Thread Marcus Daniels
“I have gotten involved in email exchanges on FRIAM and elsewhere that were so good that I wanted to save them in chronological order and perhaps edit them into some kind of text for the authors to present elsewhere.” If you think there is value in some discussion, a better thing to do IMO is s

Re: [FRIAM] Memo To Jeff Bezos: The Most Productive Workers Are Team Players, Not Selfish Individualists | The Evolution Institute

2016-10-27 Thread Marcus Daniels
"But you're assuming that being a member of a team, prevents you from operating as an independent agent. That's just not true." Teams have governance and process. Governance implies limitations to autonomy. Process takes time and effort.These things have to be worth it. Sometimes they a

Re: [FRIAM] THREAD BENDING ALERT: Was "Is Bezos a Bozo?" IS NOW"Reading Email exchanges chronologically"

2016-10-27 Thread Nick Thompson
Hi Owen, Hi everybody, Oh, I love it when you-guys talk dirty. My citizen imagination LEAPS to the idea of a vanilla welcome. And a popup that offers incognito, Oh MAN! I would eat that pop-up and wander the streets of Santa Fe as invisible as a ghost. Or is that a pop-over? Is th

Re: [FRIAM] THREAD BENDING ALERT: Was "Is Bezos a Bozo?" IS NOW"Reading Email exchanges chronologically"

2016-10-27 Thread Owen Densmore
Oh, forgot: Techies who beam into medium should use an incognito window so that it shows its vanilla welcome page, not one based on your internet profile. Maybe true for all of us. Chrome: click on the url with the ctl key down and a popup will offer incognito as an option. -- Owen On Thu, Oct

Re: [FRIAM] THREAD BENDING ALERT: Was "Is Bezos a Bozo?" IS NOW"Reading Email exchanges chronologically"

2016-10-27 Thread Owen Densmore
I'm sure there is a reasonable solution, but would require effort, an editorial role. ​If you do start putting snippets together, I'd recommend https://medium.com/ as the site to use. It's outlook is less bloggy and more chatty, yet your posts can be organized under your name or a tag. They also

Re: [FRIAM] Memo To Jeff Bezos: The Most Productive Workers Are Team Players, Not Selfish Individualists | The Evolution Institute

2016-10-27 Thread ┣glen┫
But you're assuming that being a member of a team, prevents you from operating as an independent agent. That's just not true. Team membership doesn't redesign the individual from the genes up. It simply changes the context in which the individual behaves. And most team contexts are not as z

Re: [FRIAM] Memo To Jeff Bezos: The Most Productive Workers Are Team Players, Not Selfish Individualists | The Evolution Institute

2016-10-27 Thread Marcus Daniels
"The point of the article (and even, to a lesser extent, the research cited) is that teams enlarge the solution space, increase the degrees of freedom. With a team, there are more paths to success than with an individual. And often, those paths are occult. " And there are even more occult pat

Re: [FRIAM] Memo To Jeff Bezos: The Most Productive Workers Are Team Players, Not Selfish Individualists | The Evolution Institute

2016-10-27 Thread ┣glen┫
I tend to think humans are mostly (~70%) defined by context. This implies that the core ideas behind things like personality, IQ, skills, etc. are delusions. Our identities and all the "derived traits" like introvertedness or kindness or sexuality are fluid. If these traits seem robust (obta

Re: [FRIAM] Memo To Jeff Bezos: The Most Productive Workers Are Team Players, Not Selfish Individualists | The Evolution Institute

2016-10-27 Thread ┣glen┫
Your argument would be more defensible if you made it clearer that this is merely one possible abuse of the concept of a team. But I don't think your over-simplification is ever true, even if a manager or organization tried to make it so (consciously or not). The point of the article (and eve

Re: [FRIAM] THREAD BENDING ALERT: Was "Is Bezos a Bozo?" IS NOW"Reading Email exchanges chronologically"

2016-10-27 Thread Roger Critchlow
Nick -- Look at https://storify.com/ -- rec -- On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 10:03 PM, Nick Thompson wrote: > Dear everybody, > > > > On several occasions, this one included, I have gotten involved in email > exchanges on FRIAM and elsewhere that were so good that I wanted to save > them in chronolo