Re: [FRIAM] Motives - Was Abduction

2019-01-09 Thread Steven A Smith
Marcus - Thanks for that deep dive into the (lack of) structure of Trump's bombast.   I'm not sure that the 39% (number varies) of his base are simply deplorable breadth-never parsers, though it would seem they would have to be to not trip over his rhetoric.   Some (maybe even members of this

Re: [FRIAM] Who knew a good Coors head could make this shutdown hillarius

2019-01-09 Thread Steven A Smith
Glen - Thanks for the GoogleFu help/instruction.   You have a good kit of go-to sources that I'm only hit or miss with, like OpenSecrets.org. Tugging the threads you offered a little further, I was surprised to find that he is on the board of the World Affairs Council of America and former c

Re: [FRIAM] Motives - Was Abduction

2019-01-09 Thread Nick Thompson
Steve Smith wrote: I sense frustration in many of us when we try to talk about our various topics of specialty (as amatuers or professionals) with our significantly educated (but in other (sub)disciplines) lay-colleagues. It seems that in the attempt to be more precise or to make evident o

Re: [FRIAM] Motives - Was Abduction

2019-01-09 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
Ha! Unless you consider all that philosophy he's polluted his mind with. >8^D (JK, of course.) On 1/9/19 3:05 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Good news, your mind hasn’t been damaged by the popular programming languages. > > http://learnyouahaskell.com/ -- ☣ uǝlƃ ===

Re: [FRIAM] Motives - Was Abduction

2019-01-09 Thread Marcus Daniels
Good news, your mind hasn’t been damaged by the popular programming languages. http://learnyouahaskell.com/ From: Friam on behalf of Nick Thompson Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Date: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 at 3:56 PM To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexit

Re: [FRIAM] Motives - Was Abduction

2019-01-09 Thread Nick Thompson
Hi, Marcus, This is the kind of comment that makes me which I knew more about … um … what it is you do. I get these intimations that your experience might be very useful to philosophical cogitations if only I could share it. Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychol

Re: [FRIAM] Motives - Was Abduction

2019-01-09 Thread Nick Thompson
What famous philosopher once said: “It depends on what the definition of “is” is.” N Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

Re: [FRIAM] Motives - Was Abduction

2019-01-09 Thread Prof David West
Nick, no so much ... ... as reification seems to be unavoidable, and hence I am guilty as charged. Everything is the fault of that pesky verb "to be," as Korzibski warned us. davew On Wed, Jan 9, 2019, at 1:54 PM, Nick Thompson wrote: > Uh-Oh. Dave’s on the case. I am in DEEP trouble here.

Re: [FRIAM] Motives - Was Abduction

2019-01-09 Thread Marcus Daniels
In my mind, the distinction is important between an assertion failing subjectively and objectively. An assertion could fail for sound reasons in a subjective way, but not be transparent. A Trump voter who wants to Cause harm to Washington might have some private theory of how the harm would u

Re: [FRIAM] Motives - Was Abduction

2019-01-09 Thread Marcus Daniels
Nick writes: < One solution I am exploring is trying to make every assertion that something is real into a three valued assertion including point of view. > Confounding variables, like your example with Simpson’s Paradox. In functional programming, the life history of said person’s evolving

Re: [FRIAM] Motives - Was Abduction

2019-01-09 Thread Nick Thompson
Uh-Oh. Dave’s on the case. I am in DEEP trouble here. Can I assert that anything is real without implying that some things are “unreal” and, since we are talking about them, must be mere matters of the mind.In other words, can one be a monist realist? I admit that things aren’t l

Re: [FRIAM] Motives - Was Abduction

2019-01-09 Thread Marcus Daniels
Steve writes: < I think this is the "genius" of Trump's campaign and tenure... he operates from his own (and often ad-hoc) Lexicon and that reported 39% stable base of his seems happy to just rewrite their own dictionary to match his. It has been noted that Trump's presidency has been most sig

Re: [FRIAM] Who knew a good Coors head could make this shutdown hillarius

2019-01-09 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
Just a little googly: http://www.gambrinus.com/brands.html https://www.opensecrets.org/donor-lookup/results?employ=Gambrinus https://www.frostbank.com/leadership/carlos-alvarez FWIW, I drink Bridgeport all the time, regardless that I'm sending my money to TX. (I'm also sending some of tha

Re: [FRIAM] Motives - Was Abduction

2019-01-09 Thread Nick Thompson
Thank you, Marcus, Good wrapup! Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.c

Re: [FRIAM] Motives - Was Abduction

2019-01-09 Thread Steven A Smith
Nick writes: < Ok, Marcus, I am standing my ground as a realist here: ():-[)> There you go trying to claim semantics for terms in a public dictionary again.   (That’s an example of taking ground, like in my Go example.)    Doing so constrains what can even be *said*.   It puts the skeptic i

Re: [FRIAM] Motives - Was Abduction

2019-01-09 Thread Marcus Daniels
Nick writes: < Writing … taking positions and pushing them until they break … is for me just about the best part of being alive > Terri Gross contrasts the difference between “What do you do for work?” and

Re: [FRIAM] Who knew a good Coors head could make this shutdown hillarius

2019-01-09 Thread Steven A Smith
Thanks a LOT Gil/Glen, NOW I'm thirsty for beer, and have been since I read it soon after you posted. Good writing & delivery as you noted, would we call this some kind of Beer Rebus? I do love the craft brew movement, but have to admit that my fridge has the remnants of a Shiner variety pac

Re: [FRIAM] Motives - Was Abduction

2019-01-09 Thread Steven A Smith
I think I want to be a Springbok!  I feel as if I've slipped sideways into the alternate reality presented in the movie _The Lobster_ . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK6i2Ivlphw Ok, Marcus, I am standing my ground as a realist here: ():-[) You cannot be against categories because you ca

Re: [FRIAM] Motives - Was Abduction

2019-01-09 Thread Nick Thompson
Marcus, Are we playing or fighting? I can’t tell any more. If we’re fighting, let’s stop. Let me know. I apologize: I was grabbing the word “realist” for a particular meaning; you were quite right. I thought I was doing so humorously, hence the emoji. But one man’s humor is anoth

[FRIAM] Zero Mass Water: solar panels that pull water out of the air

2019-01-09 Thread Owen Densmore
Another fascinating article from TLDR newsletter. One wonders about the Down Sides, but even some large US cities have apparently turned off water in schools! -- Owen These $2,000 solar panels pull clean drinking water out of the air, and they might be a solution to the global water crisis (3

Re: [FRIAM] Motives - Was Abduction

2019-01-09 Thread Prof David West
Aww Nick, Surely you jest: "Something about the category is real." Real? Real, as in dualist metaphysics? Or merely real in the sense that there is a group of humans willing to behave in a manner consistent with a pretend belief that a labeled category is real? About a decade back there were te

Re: [FRIAM] Motives - Was Abduction

2019-01-09 Thread Marcus Daniels
Nick writes: < Ok, Marcus, I am standing my ground as a realist here: ():-[) > There you go trying to claim semantics for terms in a public dictionary again. (That’s an example of taking ground, like in my Go example.)Doing so constrains what can even be said. It puts the skeptic in the

Re: [FRIAM] Who knew a good Coors head could make this shutdown hillarius

2019-01-09 Thread ∄ uǝʃƃ
The unfortunate part of this story is the apparent coincidence of right wingers and those who always drink the same beer, with the same label, that doesn't need new label approval from the government because the government approved of that label a million years ago. It's only us hipster liberal

[FRIAM] Who knew a good Coors head could make this shutdown hillarius

2019-01-09 Thread Gillian Densmore
Thanks Colbert https://youtu.be/xizCOdu3_1E Worth a watch...now i'll have to try to breath again from laughing at a great anology that's disturbingly acurate and maybe find the Alian Amber from wence all this came from...it clearly has a Fat Tire.

Re: [FRIAM] Motives - Was Abduction

2019-01-09 Thread Nick Thompson
Ok, Marcus, I am standing my ground as a realist here: ():-[) You cannot be against categories because you cannot TALK without categories. “person” and “dog” are categories. Yes, the thought they call up in me is inevitably wrong in some respect. I see you with Korgies, but they are actual