Re: [FRIAM] Target Practice with your Television

2013-05-08 Thread glen ropella
I share your lament about the homogenization of culture. As I get older, I pine for those early days of requesting files through ftpmail and e-mail addresses with lots of ! in them. Back then, the internet was fun and cool. Now it's a cesspool of TL;DR people like me yapping about stuff nobody

Re: [FRIAM] Target Practice with your Television

2013-05-08 Thread Steve Smith
Glen - Thanks for the perspective. You may remember I insisted on referring to my own version of Owen's Digital Ecology as a Digital Swamp. My point to that, which I hope parallels your perspective, is that no matter how much we want it all to be a nice, orderly, well understood

Re: [FRIAM] Target Practice with your Television

2013-05-08 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
On 5/8/13 9:06 AM, glen ropella wrote: I share your lament about the homogenization of culture. What is a counter example of non-homogenization of culture? It seems to suggest that culture is a thing that leads individuals, rather than individuals leading it. I've always thought of culture

Re: [FRIAM] Target Practice with your Television

2013-05-08 Thread glen ropella
I think we agree on most of these points. Another reason I like TVs is because I'm mostly a wall flower at parties. Smalltalk irritates me and I only talk to people after a given party passes through that phase transition where it ratchets down a bit and allows more intimate conversations

Re: [FRIAM] Target Practice with your Television

2013-05-08 Thread glen ropella
On 05/08/2013 10:31 AM, Marcus G. Daniels wrote: What is a counter example of non-homogenization of culture? I think homogenization of (or homogenized state of) culture can take different forms. Were it normal, it could be fatter or skinnier. If it's skewed/biased (which is most likely) it can

Re: [FRIAM] Target Practice with your Television

2013-05-08 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
On 5/8/13 12:20 PM, glen ropella wrote: For example, it seems to me that I see 2 opposing causal flows in music. One is that in pop music, culture leads individuals. But in folk or jazz or any live-music oriented domain, it strikes me that individuals (or individual bands) lead culture. It

Re: [FRIAM] Target Practice with your Television

2013-05-08 Thread glen ropella
On 05/08/2013 11:44 AM, Marcus G. Daniels wrote: It depends what you mean by `lead'. I'd distinguish between influence and innovate. I'd claim that culture does not innovate, it can only put down a road and encourage people to take it, and thereby set the stage for innovators. That's a

Re: [FRIAM] Target Practice with your Television

2013-05-08 Thread Steve Smith
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[FRIAM] Target Practice with your Television

2013-05-07 Thread Steve Smith
Glen - Obviously you find your Television useful and feel you can thoughtfully mitigate any negative side-effects having it in your life might present. I was mostly making fun of your (deliberately idiosyncratic?) choices of programming as described. You are not alone, and I recognize that