Re: [FRIAM] Wisdom of Crowds vs Kenneth Arrow

2016-09-14 Thread glen ☣
On 09/14/2016 01:50 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: I suppose if work/life lasts long enough, folks will identify ways to avoid the attractors. A tabu search needs a global data structure to be most efficient. In other words, workers need some literacy. Yes, except there are no optima other than

Re: [FRIAM] Wisdom of Crowds vs Kenneth Arrow

2016-09-14 Thread Marcus Daniels
"In other words, your very purpose is exactly that, to work your way to results that no one else will notice ... until you tell them to notice it, of course." I suppose if work/life lasts long enough, folks will identify ways to avoid the attractors. A tabu search needs a global data structure

Re: [FRIAM] Wisdom of Crowds vs Kenneth Arrow

2016-09-14 Thread glen ☣
On 09/14/2016 12:56 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: Similar psychology: Putting off writing a talk in order to get results you "like" better, but that no one else will notice. No, I would never do that! Heh, my entire life seems to orbit around doing things nobody (but me) cares about. I was

Re: [FRIAM] Wisdom of Crowds vs Kenneth Arrow

2016-09-14 Thread Marcus Daniels
"We tie a heavy chain around our ankle and then whine that we can hardly keep our head above water treading... If this kind of self-handicapping makes us into olympic swimmers, then I suppose I'm all for it... but it reminds me a bit too much of Vonnegut's "breakfast of champions" theme!"

Re: [FRIAM] Wisdom of Crowds vs Kenneth Arrow

2016-09-13 Thread Steven A Smith
Glen - I understand that... though it IS my habit to acknowledge the things I agree on to more starkly expose the ones I don't (or at least I try to do that). With a happy side-effect that more people will like you as a result. One day, I'll wish I had spent more effort with the soft

Re: [FRIAM] Wisdom of Crowds vs Kenneth Arrow

2016-09-13 Thread Marcus Daniels
om past mistakes, rather than remain a prisoner of "faith." >> From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Merle Lefkoff Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 3:31 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] W

Re: [FRIAM] Wisdom of Crowds vs Kenneth Arrow

2016-09-13 Thread Merle Lefkoff
Take a look: emergentdiplomacy.org, click on ECOS. I'd especially love your feedback. I've been thinking about this since my TEDx talk a few years ago, and now we're making it happen. I'm a recent revolutionary since growing inequality, climate change, and forever war are our biggest global

Re: [FRIAM] Wisdom of Crowds vs Kenneth Arrow

2016-09-13 Thread Pamela McCorduck
Merle, I posted so long ago I forget what I said. I’m not a revolutionary, never was. I don’t like most revolutions since 1776. But I’m surely open to new ways of approaching the problem. > On Sep 13, 2016, at 3:15 PM, Merle Lefkoff wrote: > > Pamela, the present

Re: [FRIAM] Wisdom of Crowds vs Kenneth Arrow

2016-09-13 Thread Merle Lefkoff
Pamela, the present structures cannot be "reformed." We need a revolution that allows new structures to emerge. Visit our website and read about the ECOS gathering. On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 6:25 PM, Pamela McCorduck wrote: > I found that article on Enough with this Basic Income

Re: [FRIAM] Wisdom of Crowds vs Kenneth Arrow

2016-09-13 Thread glen ☣
More election system fodder. I love how both headlines imply (all) democracy(ies) is broken. Reminds me of the old aphorism: better is the enemy of adequate. Can “sortition” sort out the problem of political ignorance?

Re: [FRIAM] Wisdom of Crowds vs Kenneth Arrow

2016-09-12 Thread ┣glen┫
On 09/09/2016 02:33 PM, Steven A Smith wrote: > I understand that... though it IS my habit to acknowledge the things I agree > on to more starkly expose the ones I don't (or at least I try to do that). With a happy side-effect that more people will like you as a result. One day, I'll wish I

Re: [FRIAM] Wisdom of Crowds vs Kenneth Arrow

2016-09-09 Thread Pamela McCorduck
I found that article on Enough with this Basic Income Bullshit an interesting read. I had to wonder why he capitalized Entrepreneur, as if it were Realtor, or some other nonsensical social climbing, but I agree that the system will need major overhauls. He is not alone in believing this, given

Re: [FRIAM] Wisdom of Crowds vs Kenneth Arrow

2016-09-09 Thread Steven A Smith
glen - As usual, I ignore all the places where we agree and emphasize the disagreements ... because life is more fun that way. 8^) I understand that... though it IS my habit to acknowledge the things I agree on to more starkly expose the ones I don't (or at least I try to do that). I'm not

Re: [FRIAM] Wisdom of Crowds vs Kenneth Arrow

2016-09-09 Thread glen ☣
As usual, I ignore all the places where we agree and emphasize the disagreements ... because life is more fun that way. 8^) On 09/09/2016 12:01 PM, Steven A Smith wrote: (I rarely actually hang by the media outlet waiting for these things). I'm not sure when it happened. But at some point

Re: [FRIAM] Wisdom of Crowds vs Kenneth Arrow

2016-09-09 Thread Steven A Smith
Glen - I've found this graph the most interesting rendering of the electoral game: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/upshot/presidential-polls-forecast.html#explore-paths Interesting fault tree (I wanted to say dendogram, but I'm not sure it has all of the properties necessary. I

Re: [FRIAM] Wisdom of Crowds vs Kenneth Arrow

2016-09-07 Thread Marcus Daniels
:10 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Wisdom of Crowds vs Kenneth Arrow Slightly OT, but: The Brexit signaled the start of truly unexpected events. Italy, btw, is also having a referendum. But here's the Dallas News endorsing

Re: [FRIAM] Wisdom of Crowds vs Kenneth Arrow

2016-09-07 Thread ┣glen┫
On 09/07/2016 07:39 AM, Steven A Smith wrote: > It is most interesting to me how much the WTA vs the popular vote prices in > the IEM diverge. It definitely supports MY (reluctant) preferences in this > context, but it IS disturbing in a democracy that the representative factor > (electoral

Re: [FRIAM] Wisdom of Crowds vs Kenneth Arrow

2016-09-07 Thread Owen Densmore
Slightly OT, but: The Brexit signaled the start of truly unexpected events. Italy, btw, is also having a referendum. But here's the Dallas News endorsing Hilary .. first dem endorsment in over 70 years!

[FRIAM] Wisdom of Crowds vs Kenneth Arrow

2016-09-07 Thread Steven A Smith
I know we try to avoid getting into political discussions here, and that is not what I'm trying t draw you into. Out of my infamous morbid fascination, I *have* been following the presidential campaigns this past year or more and in particular comparing the many running *polls* to the *Iowa