The innocence of many of your questions as posed should be more overtly
valued... many of us are busy asking (quietly) similar or related
questions.
Amen!
A thing to think about re: mixing of alcohol and water is that both are
polar molecules, and thus mutually attracted, which no doubt
I think a solid 'dissolved' in another solid is an alloy, e.g. steel (Fe
and C), brass (Zn and Cu) tho' they have to be melted first. BTW
something funny happens with ethanol and water since they can't
ultimately be separated by distillation (let alone gravity fields)
because of the formation
friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf
Of Steve Smith
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] atmospherics
Nick -
I think Bruce just gave a good calibration on this with his great
description not only of why or why
Another example of a top-of-the-atmosphere special layer is of course the
ozone (O3) layer, continually produced by ultraviolet light but unstable.
These surface phenomena don't have anything to do with how nitrogen,
oxygen, and uranium hexafluoride are distributed throughout the atmosphere.
Thanks, everybody.
I realize that most of you have day jobs and don't have time to be teachers
in my self-designed Elder-Hostel Education program, but if you do have a
moment, could you answer the following questions?
In these questions, the words cool and warm will have a technical
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Huh? That makes no sense. Moreover, there is NO hydrogen or helium in
our atmosphere. Any that we might have once had is long gone. Given
the very large average height and correspondingly high average speed
(and much higher speed in the high-speed tail of the distribution),
these very-low-mass
” of something and a “mixture” of
something.
From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf
Of Steve Smith
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Nick -
I think Bruce just gave
between a “solution” of something and a “mixture” of
something.
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] atmospherics
Nick -
I
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] atmospherics
Nick -
I think Bruce just gave a good calibration on this with his great
description not only of why or why not to breathe Uranium Hexaflouride (cuz
you will have to stand on your head to empty it from your lungs!) but also
ing.
From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf
Of Steve Smith
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] atmospherics
Nick -
I think Bruce just gave a good calibration on this with his
Okay, there are issues of definitions. I'll note that the upper atmosphere
is bombarded by cosmic rays which in fact are mostly very high-energy
protons originating outside our Solar System. Protons are of course the
nuclei of hydrogen
Bruce
Let's call it interesting questions it never occurred to me to ask, Nick.
Pamela
On Jun 12, 2012, at 10:44 AM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:
So, somebody asked me, in my role as a weather nerd, how come the nitrogen in
the atmosphere doesn’t all fall to the bottom on still nights and suffocate
For a start the density of oxygen is higher than nitrogen. Secondly
gravity is not strong enough to overcome the zipping around of the
molecules of gas that naturally mix together due to thermal energy
(temperature). It takes a lot of effort and processing to separate
atmospheric gasses (see
Nick --
N2 weighs 28 gm/mole, O2 weighs 32 gm/mole, Ar weighs 40 gm/mole, CO2
weighs 44 gm/mole, and H2O weighs 18 gm/mole.
Why would anyone expect the lighter components of a mixture to fall down
more than the heavier ones? If anything, you'd expect the heavier ones to
concentrate toward the
Let's not ignore temperature: my farts are a good 20 degrees F above
ambient (at present), and tend to rise before mixing into the unfortunate
nearby environs. And, just in case you were wondering what the composition
of a fart was:
The major components of the flatus, which are odorless, by
ahh Doug... I *knew* we could count on you!
Let's not ignore temperature: my farts are a good 20 degrees F above
ambient (at present), and tend to rise before mixing into the
unfortunate nearby environs. And, just in case you were wondering
what the composition of a fart was:
The major
Thanks, Steve, I just got back a couple of weeks ago:
http://mc-california-trip-2012.blogspot.com/
Yes, I had a gas...
--Doug
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Steve Smith sasm...@swcp.com wrote:
ahh Doug... I *knew* we could count on you!
Let's not ignore temperature: my farts are a good
A really spectacular (and somewhat dangerous) demo involves what I
would guess is the densest gas of all, uranium hexafloride, with a
mass of 352 gm/mole. Remember that at equal temperature and pressure a
mole of any gas whatsoever occupies a volume of 22.4 liters, so the
grams/mole is
: Re: [FRIAM] atmospherics
Let's not ignore temperature: my farts are a good 20 degrees F above
ambient (at present), and tend to rise before mixing into the unfortunate
nearby environs. And, just in case you were wondering what the composition
of a fart was:
The major components
Coffee Group
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Let's not ignore temperature: my farts are a good 20 degrees F above
ambient (at present), and tend to rise before mixing into the
unfortunate nearby environs. And, just in case you were wondering
what the composition of a fart was:
The major
Complexity Coffee Group
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** **
Let's not ignore temperature: my farts are a good 20 degrees F above
ambient (at present), and tend to rise before mixing into the unfortunate
nearby environs. And, just in case you were wondering what the composition
BasherWo the Science Ninja does it again!
Bruce, that was a killer lecture, especially about the He/UF6 thing...
I always wondered if there were *another* example of the speed of sound
in gas thing to complement the helium experiment virtually everyone has
tried (or at least observed).
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[mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Douglas Roberts
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 12, 2012 2:43 PM
*To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
*Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] atmospherics
Let's not ignore temperature: my farts are a good 20
I realize that I didn't address one of the questions (or one of the
possible questions): Why don't all the air molecules just fall to the
ground and stay there? In case anyone was wondering about that
question, the answer is that the air molecules DO fall toward the
ground, but they continually
I hadn't thought of the physiological issue you raise, but I would
expect a molecule of UF6 to be far too large to pass from the lungs
into the blood stream. Good point, though.
Bruce
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Steve Smith sasm...@swcp.com wrote:
BasherWo the Science Ninja does it again!
Again... amazing detail here Bruce... thanks...
I forgot to mention to Nick that planetary atmospheres *do* vary over
altitude and even stratify. So your intuition is not wrong in
quality... just in quantity. Here's to your intuition! (Raising a
poorly mixed Manhattan)
My senior project
Sort of adds a new spin to Brownian motion, doesn't it...
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Steve Smith sasm...@swcp.com wrote:
ahh Doug... I *knew* we could count on you!
Let's not ignore temperature: my farts are a good 20 degrees F above
ambient (at present), and tend to rise before
Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] atmospherics
Let's not ignore temperature: my farts are a good 20 degrees F above
ambient (at present), and tend to rise before mixing into the unfortunate
nearby environs. And, just in case you were wondering what the composition
of a fart
: [FRIAM] atmospherics
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Nick -
I think Bruce just gave a good calibration on this with his great
description not only of why or why not to breathe Uranium Hexaflouride (cuz
you will have to stand on your head to empty it from your lungs!) but also
the relative density of the gasses
*To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
*Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] atmospherics
Nick -
I think Bruce just gave a good calibration on this with his great
description not only of why or why not to breathe Uranium
Hexaflouride (cuz you will have to stand
On 6/12/12 5:43 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:
And whiskey goes well with some mixers as well:
I must now go atone to the whiskey gods and undergo a number of
purification rituals for having read that.
Carl
FRIAM Applied
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*From:*friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com]
*On Behalf Of *Steve Smith
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 12, 2012 3:45 PM
*To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
*Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] atmospherics
Nick -
I think Bruce just gave a good calibration
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