Re: [FRIAM] disorder caused by individual, or collective human agents, in hierarchically-ordered and complex systems--systems composed of sub-systems that, in turn, have their own subsystems, and so o

2013-11-10 Thread Arlo Barnes
*Old email:* What a great cascade here... I'm not sure anyone but you and I are properly enjoying it however grin. The delete key suffices. And, in the spirit of hiding in plain sight, we have to populate caches like Arlo's with _something_ to lower the SNR. Personally, I feel successful

Re: [FRIAM] disorder caused by individual, or collective human agents, in hierarchically-ordered and complex systems--systems composed of sub-systems that, in turn, have their own subsystems, and so o

2013-10-31 Thread glen
On 10/30/2013 04:54 PM, Steve Smith wrote: What a great cascade here... I'm not sure anyone but you and I are properly enjoying it however grin. The delete key suffices. And, in the spirit of hiding in plain sight, we have to populate caches like Arlo's with _something_ to lower the SNR.

Re: [FRIAM] disorder caused by individual, or collective human agents, in hierarchically-ordered and complex systems--systems composed of sub-systems that, in turn, have their own subsystems, and so o

2013-10-31 Thread Steve Smith
Glen - What a great cascade here... I'm not sure anyone but you and I are properly enjoying it however grin. The delete key suffices. And, in the spirit of hiding in plain sight, we have to populate caches like Arlo's with _something_ to lower the SNR. Personally, I feel successful enough

Re: [FRIAM] disorder caused by individual, or collective human agents, in hierarchically-ordered and complex systems--systems composed of sub-systems that, in turn, have their own subsystems, and so o

2013-10-30 Thread glen
On 10/27/2013 06:59 PM, Arlo Barnes wrote: On 10/27/2013 03:12 PM, Steve Smith wrote: Colloquially, one might simply say one person's mess is another's order... This is a good example. It seems pretty straightforward and obvious that this is the case, but I think it has more to do with the

Re: [FRIAM] disorder caused by individual, or collective human agents, in hierarchically-ordered and complex systems--systems composed of sub-systems that, in turn, have their own subsystems, and so o

2013-10-30 Thread Steve Smith
Glen - On 10/27/2013 06:59 PM, Arlo Barnes wrote: On 10/27/2013 03:12 PM, Steve Smith wrote: Colloquially, one might simply say one person's mess is another's order... This is a good example. It seems pretty straightforward and obvious that this is the case, but I think it has more to do

Re: [FRIAM] disorder caused by individual, or collective human agents, in hierarchically-ordered and complex systems--systems composed of sub-systems that, in turn, have their own subsystems, and so o

2013-10-30 Thread Steve Smith
Glen - And just to add a completely different perspective (via a different physical system metaphor) on this topic: As a dabbler in holography, this whole problem of a shared information mess and the idea of constraint sieves reminds me a lot of the process of recording (in a lossy way of

Re: [FRIAM] disorder caused by individual, or collective human agents, in hierarchically-ordered and complex systems--systems composed of sub-systems that, in turn, have their own subsystems, and so o

2013-10-30 Thread Steve Smith
Glen (and anyone else trying to follow) - I left out an important point in all of this, I think. The work going into building ontologies for various (sub)domains is roughly the act of building a shared, formalized constraint sieve. My interest is in developing a working environment for

Re: [FRIAM] disorder caused by individual, or collective human agents, in hierarchically-ordered and complex systems--systems composed of sub-systems that, in turn, have their own subsystems, and so o

2013-10-30 Thread glen
On 10/30/2013 12:21 PM, Steve Smith wrote: And I seem inclined to try to sieve other's and re-present it contorted through my own expresser (what is the opposite of a sieve... a pug-mill or a meat-grinder? I think one of the things I do here in this forum that is surely maddening to anyone

Re: [FRIAM] disorder caused by individual, or collective human agents, in hierarchically-ordered and complex systems--systems composed of sub-systems that, in turn, have their own subsystems, and so o

2013-10-30 Thread Steve Smith
Glen - What a great cascade here... I'm not sure anyone but you and I are properly enjoying it however grin. But that probably doesn't account for all of creative/production. There are plenty of others, e.g. your material from earlier foci, or perhaps a multi-tasking ability to be able to

Re: [FRIAM] disorder caused by individual, or collective human agents, in hierarchically-ordered and complex systems--systems composed of sub-systems that, in turn, have their own subsystems, and so o

2013-10-27 Thread Nick Thompson
Carl, Great to hear your voice. Link did not work for me. I'm probable the only one. n Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

Re: [FRIAM] disorder caused by individual, or collective human agents, in hierarchically-ordered and complex systems--systems composed of sub-systems that, in turn, have their own subsystems, and so o

2013-10-27 Thread Owen Densmore
Link worked here. -- Owen On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Nick Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.netwrote: Carl, ** ** Great to hear your “voice.” ** ** Link did not work for me. I’m probable the only one. ** ** n ** ** Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus

Re: [FRIAM] disorder caused by individual, or collective human agents, in hierarchically-ordered and complex systems--systems composed of sub-systems that, in turn, have their own subsystems, and so o

2013-10-27 Thread Steve Smith
Nick - Mine wants to open directly in Firefox (property of the link or my settings in Thunderbird, rather than the document?), I am guessing you might be running MS-only indigenous products, you may want to download (Ctrl-Click or R/L Click?) and then open in Adobe Reader? I'm reading the

Re: [FRIAM] disorder caused by individual, or collective human agents, in hierarchically-ordered and complex systems--systems composed of sub-systems that, in turn, have their own subsystems, and so o

2013-10-27 Thread Steve Smith
Carl - Great link/article... apropos perhaps of our conversations about cognitive loss with aging and it's prevention/mitigation? Nick - I'm reminded of your idea of using Wiki technology (plus some conventions) for what you called Noodles or Noodling some time back. I saw that concept as

Re: [FRIAM] disorder caused by individual, or collective human agents, in hierarchically-ordered and complex systems--systems composed of sub-systems that, in turn, have their own subsystems, and so o

2013-10-27 Thread Arlo Barnes
I'm reminded of your idea of using Wiki technology (plus some conventions) for what you called Noodles or Noodling some time back. Found thishttp://article.gmane.org/gmane.org.region.new-mexico.santa-fe.friam/7818/match=noodlesby