Re: [Full-disclosure] VPN provider helped track down alleged LulzSec member

precisely why i did not screrw with peoples things and thx for poiting this out. Providers that steal other peoples hacks don't last long in the underground. People take that personally :) This is a BIG reason why, i did not, nor my coadmin, touch things, unless we were invited to, and, never eve

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On 9/30/2011 11:59 AM, adam wrote: > "Cause them to face punishment in what country? Wouldn't they have to > extradite them? What if their extradition treaty didn't cover > cybercrime, or they didn't have one with the US?" > > I'm not sure you understood the example, and the mixing and matching > y

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"Cause them to face punishment in what country? Wouldn't they have to extradite them? What if their extradition treaty didn't cover cybercrime, or they didn't have one with the US?" I'm not sure you understood the example, and the mixing and matching you're doing here doesn't really work. If they'

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 9/30/2011 9:46 AM, Paul Schmehl wrote: > IOW, there is no honor among thieves. > > This isn't a new concept. > > --On September 30, 2011 3:31:06 PM +0100 Darren Martyn > wrote: > >> By screw you over I did not intend to mean "sell you out". I mea

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 9/30/2011 10:45 AM, adam wrote: > "User location determines Judicial Jurisdiction - how is that irrelevant?" > > Jurisdiction in the prosecution of such crimes, yes. In the investigation itself, no. Which seems to be where all the confusion is com

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"User location determines Judicial Jurisdiction - how is that irrelevant?" Jurisdiction in the prosecution of such crimes, yes. In the investigation itself, no. Which seems to be where all the confusion is coming from. If you use a service in the US to commit a crime, and that service is ordered b

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IOW, there is no honor among thieves. This isn't a new concept. --On September 30, 2011 3:31:06 PM +0100 Darren Martyn wrote: > By screw you over I did not intend to mean "sell you out". I meant a more > criminal fucking over - where they backdoor the box (Hey, physical access > and its THEIR

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indeed :) but, it is how a proper anon person would operate, well, tht is how i once did... anyhow, it is to broad, and, yes, i qwould never believe in bulletproof, unless i have used it maybe, for 10yrs, thru 10 botnets ;P wich, is very rare but funnily, possible. webhosters, are even more corrupt

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err, you are limited in those countries dude... id really checkup on that ... maybe some but, yea i agree, i dont think any hosting is anon, but, i sure know i have kept an anon dedis in past, and was VERY easy to avoid handing anything over. Unless they had personally seized from my company, i was

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They advertised as anonymous VPN to 'everyone'. Then, that would mean, especially NOT locally, thats something wich is also, subject to federal laws though so, in its own country, the provider may have to, nomatter whats advertised, BUT outside of country customers, should not be handed over. isp's

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On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 14:25:42 BST, Darren Martyn said: > Even Russian "bulletproof" hosts can screw you over. Yes, but there's a limit to how many times the guys running those hosts can sell you out to LEO's before the news gets around and they find themselves out of the "bulletproof" business.

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On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 02:09:29PM +0100, Benji wrote: > > Honestly, by now you would think people would know: do everything yourself, > trust no-one. i second that. there is an old meme about it. -- joro ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Char

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No, you are wrong. Either; the vpn provider complied with court order, or they face the legal ramifications of not doing so. User location is irrelevant. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:04 PM, xD 0x41 wrote: > indeed :) > but, it is how a proper anon person would operate, well, tht is how i once > di

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Even Russian "bulletproof" hosts can screw you over. Heihachi were committing massive fraud, and another hosting provider (offering hosting for botnets) was simply stealing your bots all the time, according to what I am told. If one is dealing with criminals/crooks to further ones own criminal ent

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On 9/29/2011 3:51 AM, Darren Martyn wrote: > Again, I hope this does not fail to send. > The reasoning behind the "Pure Elite" recruitment channel was A: to > recruit some talented people (and, by all accounts, there were some > talented programmers there) and B: development and idle talk. Now more

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On 29 Sep 2011, at 14:04, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 13:53:03 BST, Benji said: > >> Just because something is advertised as 'anonymous' doesnt mean it's 'so >> anonymous you can break the law' and anyone using a EU/US-related country to >> do this is either stupid or na

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And in that case, if you're trusting someone else to keep you anonymous, again, you are stupid and naive. Honestly, by now you would think people would know: do everything yourself, trust no-one. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:04 PM, wrote: > On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 13:53:03 BST, Benji said: > > > Just

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On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 13:53:03 BST, Benji said: > Just because something is advertised as 'anonymous' doesnt mean it's 'so > anonymous you can break the law' and anyone using a EU/US-related country to > do this is either stupid or naive. There's also those servers that advertise "anonymous and lik

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'Abuse' emails and court orders are very different. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 1:59 PM, xD 0x41 wrote: > err, you are limited in those countries dude... id really checkup on that > ... maybe some but, yea i agree, i dont think any hosting is anon, but, i > sure know i have kept an anon dedis in pas

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Yes they do. If you buy a server in America for example, even if you are located in Russia, they are required by federal law to hand over your details wherever you may reside. I dont know where you've obtained this idea that they can't. Just because something is advertised as 'anonymous' doesnt me

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Im sorry, why is it 'worrying' that a vpn provider that was a UK business and was located in the UK, is subject to UK law? On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Darren Martyn < d.martyn.fulldisclos...@gmail.com> wrote: > Again, I hope this does not fail to send. > The reasoning behind the "Pure Elit

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Again, I hope this does not fail to send. The reasoning behind the "Pure Elite" recruitment channel was A: to recruit some talented people (and, by all accounts, there were some talented programmers there) and B: development and idle talk. Now more interesting was the reasoning behind the name - by

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Its all good dude. What really concerns me is that vpn providers might give over logs to oppressive regemes. TOR is starting to look better and better. On Sep 27, 2011 11:40 PM, "GloW - XD" wrote: > never did... was only for one buttcheek kid that i was alittle pissed and > thinking things wich, p

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never did... was only for one buttcheek kid that i was alittle pissed and thinking things wich, prolly were wrong at the time... I am adult enough to apologise for what happened back then, and hopefully it is just, cool. :) cheers, your loved by many, you just have many trollers to :sp take care ,

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Im suprised, someone on the internet who *doesn't * hate me :p On Sep 27, 2011 11:29 PM, "GloW - XD" wrote: > Hello Laurelai , > Oh i agree it is still a terrible precedent to be set.. I dont even know > where, legally, i stand anymore... > It is rather disturbing, nomatter WHO it was laurela. > I

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Hello Laurelai , Oh i agree it is still a terrible precedent to be set.. I dont even know where, legally, i stand anymore... It is rather disturbing, nomatter WHO it was laurela. I am all for the hatred against the VPN provs, and this is not just happening here, and i made a BIG statement about

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On 9/27/2011 10:10 PM, sandeep k wrote: > > Lolz members was really insane ,i m not why to use that crapy hma. > > On Sep 27, 2011 8:36 PM, "Ferenc Kovacs" > wrote: > > yeah, and usually the same goes for calling others "kids" ;) > > > > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:30 PM, G

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Lolz members was really insane ,i m not why to use that crapy hma. On Sep 27, 2011 8:36 PM, "Ferenc Kovacs" wrote: > yeah, and usually the same goes for calling others "kids" ;) > > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:30 PM, GloW - XD wrote: >> #pure-elite , rofl... yes indeed :P >> hehe... nice story tho

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yeah, and usually the same goes for calling others "kids" ;) On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:30 PM, GloW - XD wrote: > #pure-elite , rofl... yes indeed :P > hehe... nice story tho...funny about the elite channel thing... why do ppl > tag themselves as elite? usually when they are not... > ohwell, that

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#pure-elite , rofl... yes indeed :P hehe... nice story tho...funny about the elite channel thing... why do ppl tag themselves as elite? usually when they are not... ohwell, thats efnut :s (irc sucks) xd On 27 September 2011 19:03, Darren Martyn wrote: > Hope this sends correctly, new email clie

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Hope this sends correctly, new email client and all... But seeing as it is an international investigation many people have been bending over backwards to assist LEO on this. HMA and perfect privacy were the VPN's of choice for them it would appear, oh, and he was part of the #pure-elite channel on

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And the guy wasnt even a part of lulzsec On Sep 26, 2011 10:37 PM, "Jeffrey Walton" wrote: > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:47 PM, Ivan . wrote: >> http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/VPN-provider-helped-track-down-alleged-LulzSec-member-1349666.html > Though HMA claims they complied with a cou

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On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:47 PM, Ivan . wrote: > http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/VPN-provider-helped-track-down-alleged-LulzSec-member-1349666.html Though HMA claims they complied with a court order, it looks as if they facilitated a law enforcement request. The US and the FBI have no j

[Full-disclosure] VPN provider helped track down alleged LulzSec member

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