They advertised as anonymous VPN to 'everyone'.
Then, that would mean, especially NOT locally, thats something wich is also,
subject to federal laws though so, in its own country, the provider may have
to, nomatter whats advertised, BUT outside of country customers, should not
be handed over.
err, you are limited in those countries dude... id really checkup on that
... maybe some but, yea i agree, i dont think any hosting is anon, but, i
sure know i have kept an anon dedis in past, and was VERY easy to avoid
handing anything over. Unless they had personally seized from my company, i
indeed :)
but, it is how a proper anon person would operate, well, tht is how i once
did...
anyhow, it is to broad, and, yes, i qwould never believe in bulletproof,
unless i have used it maybe, for 10yrs, thru 10 botnets ;P wich, is very
rare but funnily, possible.
webhosters, are even more
IOW, there is no honor among thieves.
This isn't a new concept.
--On September 30, 2011 3:31:06 PM +0100 Darren Martyn
d.martyn.fulldisclos...@gmail.com wrote:
By screw you over I did not intend to mean sell you out. I meant a more
criminal fucking over - where they backdoor the box (Hey,
User location determines Judicial Jurisdiction - how is that irrelevant?
Jurisdiction in the prosecution of such crimes, yes. In the investigation
itself, no. Which seems to be where all the confusion is coming from. If you
use a service in the US to commit a crime, and that service is ordered by
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User location determines Judicial Jurisdiction - how is that irrelevant?
Jurisdiction in the prosecution of such crimes, yes. In the
investigation itself, no. Which seems to be where all the confusion is
coming
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On 9/30/2011 9:46 AM, Paul Schmehl wrote:
IOW, there is no honor among thieves.
This isn't a new concept.
--On September 30, 2011 3:31:06 PM +0100 Darren Martyn
d.martyn.fulldisclos...@gmail.com wrote:
By screw you over I did not intend to
Cause them to face punishment in what country? Wouldn't they have to
extradite them? What if their extradition treaty didn't cover cybercrime, or
they didn't have one with the US?
I'm not sure you understood the example, and the mixing and matching you're
doing here doesn't really work. If
On 9/30/2011 11:59 AM, adam wrote:
Cause them to face punishment in what country? Wouldn't they have to
extradite them? What if their extradition treaty didn't cover
cybercrime, or they didn't have one with the US?
I'm not sure you understood the example, and the mixing and matching
you're
precisely why i did not screrw with peoples things and thx for poiting this
out.
Providers that steal other peoples hacks don't last long in the
underground. People take that personally :)
This is a BIG reason why, i did not, nor my coadmin, touch things, unless we
were invited to, and, never
Again, I hope this does not fail to send.
The reasoning behind the Pure Elite recruitment channel was A: to recruit
some talented people (and, by all accounts, there were some talented
programmers there) and B: development and idle talk. Now more interesting
was the reasoning behind the name - by
Im sorry, why is it 'worrying' that a vpn provider that was a UK business
and was located in the UK, is subject to UK law?
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Darren Martyn
d.martyn.fulldisclos...@gmail.com wrote:
Again, I hope this does not fail to send.
The reasoning behind the Pure Elite
Yes they do. If you buy a server in America for example, even if you are
located in Russia, they are required by federal law to hand over your
details wherever you may reside. I dont know where you've obtained this idea
that they can't.
Just because something is advertised as 'anonymous' doesnt
'Abuse' emails and court orders are very different.
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 1:59 PM, xD 0x41 sec...@gmail.com wrote:
err, you are limited in those countries dude... id really checkup on that
... maybe some but, yea i agree, i dont think any hosting is anon, but, i
sure know i have kept an
On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 13:53:03 BST, Benji said:
Just because something is advertised as 'anonymous' doesnt mean it's 'so
anonymous you can break the law' and anyone using a EU/US-related country to
do this is either stupid or naive.
There's also those servers that advertise anonymous and likely
And in that case, if you're trusting someone else to keep you anonymous,
again, you are stupid and naive.
Honestly, by now you would think people would know: do everything yourself,
trust no-one.
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:04 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 13:53:03 BST,
On 29 Sep 2011, at 14:04, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 13:53:03 BST, Benji said:
Just because something is advertised as 'anonymous' doesnt mean it's 'so
anonymous you can break the law' and anyone using a EU/US-related country to
do this is either stupid or naive.
On 9/29/2011 3:51 AM, Darren Martyn wrote:
Again, I hope this does not fail to send.
The reasoning behind the Pure Elite recruitment channel was A: to
recruit some talented people (and, by all accounts, there were some
talented programmers there) and B: development and idle talk. Now more
Even Russian bulletproof hosts can screw you over. Heihachi were
committing massive fraud, and another hosting provider (offering hosting for
botnets) was simply stealing your bots all the time, according to what I am
told.
If one is dealing with criminals/crooks to further ones own criminal
No, you are wrong.
Either; the vpn provider complied with court order, or they face the legal
ramifications of not doing so. User location is irrelevant.
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:04 PM, xD 0x41 sec...@gmail.com wrote:
indeed :)
but, it is how a proper anon person would operate, well, tht is
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 02:09:29PM +0100, Benji wrote:
Honestly, by now you would think people would know: do everything yourself,
trust no-one.
i second that. there is an old meme about it.
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On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 14:25:42 BST, Darren Martyn said:
Even Russian bulletproof hosts can screw you over.
Yes, but there's a limit to how many times the guys running those hosts can
sell you out to LEO's before the news gets around and they find themselves out
of the bulletproof business.
Hope this sends correctly, new email client and all... But seeing as it is
an international investigation many people have been bending over backwards
to assist LEO on this. HMA and perfect privacy were the VPN's of choice for
them it would appear, oh, and he was part of the #pure-elite channel on
#pure-elite , rofl... yes indeed :P
hehe... nice story tho...funny about the elite channel thing... why do ppl
tag themselves as elite? usually when they are not...
ohwell, thats efnut :s (irc sucks)
xd
On 27 September 2011 19:03, Darren Martyn d.martyn.fulldisclos...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hope
yeah, and usually the same goes for calling others kids ;)
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:30 PM, GloW - XD doo...@gmail.com wrote:
#pure-elite , rofl... yes indeed :P
hehe... nice story tho...funny about the elite channel thing... why do ppl
tag themselves as elite? usually when they are not...
Lolz members was really insane ,i m not why to use that crapy hma.
On Sep 27, 2011 8:36 PM, Ferenc Kovacs tyr...@gmail.com wrote:
yeah, and usually the same goes for calling others kids ;)
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:30 PM, GloW - XD doo...@gmail.com wrote:
#pure-elite , rofl... yes indeed :P
On 9/27/2011 10:10 PM, sandeep k wrote:
Lolz members was really insane ,i m not why to use that crapy hma.
On Sep 27, 2011 8:36 PM, Ferenc Kovacs tyr...@gmail.com
mailto:tyr...@gmail.com wrote:
yeah, and usually the same goes for calling others kids ;)
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:30 PM,
Hello Laurelai ,
Oh i agree it is still a terrible precedent to be set.. I dont even know
where, legally, i stand anymore...
It is rather disturbing, nomatter WHO it was laurela.
I am all for the hatred against the VPN provs, and this is not just
happening here, and i made a BIG statement
Im suprised, someone on the internet who *doesn't * hate me :p
On Sep 27, 2011 11:29 PM, GloW - XD doo...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Laurelai ,
Oh i agree it is still a terrible precedent to be set.. I dont even know
where, legally, i stand anymore...
It is rather disturbing, nomatter WHO it was
never did... was only for one buttcheek kid that i was alittle pissed and
thinking things wich, prolly were wrong at the time...
I am adult enough to apologise for what happened back then, and hopefully it
is just, cool.
:)
cheers, your loved by many, you just have many trollers to :sp
take care ,
Its all good dude. What really concerns me is that vpn providers might give
over logs to oppressive regemes. TOR is starting to look better and better.
On Sep 27, 2011 11:40 PM, GloW - XD doo...@gmail.com wrote:
never did... was only for one buttcheek kid that i was alittle pissed and
thinking
http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/VPN-provider-helped-track-down-alleged-LulzSec-member-1349666.html
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On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:47 PM, Ivan . ivan...@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/VPN-provider-helped-track-down-alleged-LulzSec-member-1349666.html
Though HMA claims they complied with a court order, it looks as if
they facilitated a law enforcement request. The US and
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