Thomas Lunde wrote:
> The Internet gives the
> tradional and eccentric, the conventional and the doomsayer a forum for
> discussion. Is this not futurework? As each of us read - and agree or not
> with each posting, are we not retraining ourselves for some valuable but yet
> unseen futurewor
Thank you Thomas for thoughtfully restating some of the questions that I
have tried to ask during my three years on this list. Attention to the
quality and durability of human societies demands that jobs/work not be
bound by traditional economic definitions.
Steve
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Thomas Lunde:
But
Unless a solution is found to the problem of disposing of nuclear waste,
continued use of fission is causing an environmental disaster of large
proportions. In fact, because the cost of eliminating the radioactive waste
(or storing it for thousands of years) is not known, it is not known whether
t to go.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Thomas
> -Original Message-
> From: Eva Durant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: list futurework <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: March 2, 1999 9:06 AM
> Subject: Re: Some thoughts on one of the threads
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>
> >(Thomas:)
> >
(Thomas:)
It was the last sentence that resonated within me. I have long felt that we
deny ourselves one of our birthrights - indolence and unemployment. I enjoy
immensely - doing little or nothing and I enjoy immensely - the pleasure of
following my impulses. Work and employment destroy those
Thomas;
First, leisure is overated. Second, freedom without significance and
discipline is slavery. Third, jobs are new but work is from the beginning of
time and Fourth, poverty and hunger are overated as a stimulus for creativity or
anything else except rage and murder. I've seen them al
s 'The Right to Useful Unemployment and its Professional Enemies'.
>
Quite. Read most of 'em. A couple of relevant URLs are:
The Abolition of Work <http://wickedmoon.com/abolish.txt>
Idle Theory
<http://freespace.virgin.net/chris.davis/idle/evolution/human/index.html&g
>> Moravec argues that the concept of work was unknown before agriculture
and
>> the industrial revolution and that we'll get rid of it permanently within
a
>> few decades, when smart machines free us not only from household chores,
but
>> also from exhausting tasks such as writing computer softw
As I've mentioned before on this list, all of Ivan Illich's books (eg.
Deschooling Society, Medical Nemesis, Shadow Work, Tools for Conviviality,
..)
would enlighten our discussions. Pertinent to this thread I'd suggest
Illich's 'The Right to Useful Unemployment and its Professional Enemies'.
***
Good point. One of my favorite thought experiments is to take the assumption
that technology makes it possible for most people to have what only the rich
could afford a few (years, product cycles, generations) ago. I was struck by
this when I visited FDR's home in Hyde Park New York and saw all
Thomas:
After plowing through 80 E Mails, I don't have the energy to go back and
look for comments, but on reading a book review on ROBOT by Hans Moravic
posted on the Net from Wired, I was struck by this sentence:
Quote:
Moravec argues that the concept of work was unknown before agriculture an
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Date: September 6, 1998 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: Some Thoughts
>which Peter do you refer to and which message from him, I feel I am in
>poyaesthetic multi-sensorial work and so I would love to follow up.
>
>Heiner
>
>Thomas Lunde wrote:
>
>> Dear Pet
Dear Peter:
Your website was refered to me by Heiner Benking on a posting to FutureWork.
I don't know if you are familiar with the work done by Bandler and Grinder
and others with a discipline called NLP (Neuro Linguistic Programming). If
not, you might find some interesting ideas regarding peop
This was originally sent as a contribution to a UNDP sponsored list
discussing its post 2000 future.
M
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