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I might accept it. But my view of my
place in the social structure of this particular workplace would change.
I would think less of things
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Arthur,
In all ways
they are better off.
If your
boss offered to double your salary even as he increased the manager’s salary
by four times, would you refuse
t.net
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If group A is 2x better off than
originally
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Harry Pollard wrote:
> The New Internationalist is, of course, n
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Thanks, Thomas. There's an article in today's
Ottawa Citizen on the fallout from the high tech bust that hit Ottawa in the
late 1990s. It puts an interesting perspective on who m
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Thomas:
Great essay and I've noted much of this myself. Especially the concept that the "poor" are off the radar of needing assistance. That the imbalances of capitalism does not
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Ed, when the poor kick back politicians will
act.
I agree, and in some cases they have on
matters such as housing, for example. But they can't seem to present any
kind of unified front.
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I'm not laughing, Harry. I've just accessed a
report by the Canadian Council on Social Development that shows that poverty in
urban areas, including poverty among the working poor, in
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Thomas:
Of all the things that have offended my sense of being Canadian, the most - is food banks. The second is the concept of having someone exist homeless. The elites of this country deserve
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Ed,
Not only to liberty and justice not taste too well,
when they aren't there to taste, you will be sure that ends will not
meet.
Two hundred years ago, Ricardo postulated the "Ir
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As I
said. There is no incentive to change. I hate to say it but food
banks are part of the problem.
arthur
But what's the
solution? People that use the foodbanks are not acti
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I agree with the concept of a basic income or
guaranteed annual income, but I don't think there's been much discussion of it
in government since the early 1990s, and certainly no
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So
what if all the righteous middle class people stopped sending their unused
canned goods to the food banks? Well the hungry people might just vote in
a government that promises radical
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Thomas, very good posting. Ontario has just
raised the minimum wage from peanuts to peanuts. Many of the poor are
working full time and even double time, but are still unable to meet the rent
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They don't need money, Thomas. They need justice and the freedom to enjoy it.
Harry
Thomas:
In a way, you are right. Being poor and working with the poor as customers and neighbours
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Tom,
Thanks!
Of course, if money is the problem (or lack of it) then the obvious thing
to do is give everyone money.
But, that seems unlikely to work, so . . . .
. ?
Money isn'
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I take your point, Harry. Somewhere out there,
there must be the right fixes, if only we could be
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Hi Harry:
I liked your mini bio. I also agree with many of your statements especially, the following paragraph:
Modern reformers spend so much time on these things that they have no time to ask
mber 27, 2003 9:32 AM
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If that were true capitalism would disappear. It is the m
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Thanks Stephen,
Here is an article from the NYTimes today that makes the same point about
corporate "Productivity" when it comes to things that make us healthy or
wise. Note that the person writing the article is a Not-for-profit
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Ed,
Quite right, Ed.
Otherwise they wouldn't be
applied.
But the question concerned right and wrong
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Trouble with fixes, Harry, is that those who apply them
always think they are the right ones.
Ed
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Ray,
You'll note that I mentioned "taking time off from the
chorale".
It's fun to hear of your past experience, but that
isn't the point. Are you now wearing underwear you made yourself? Did you make
the podium from which you conduct? (Maybe you did!) How about the recording
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It seems that the NI's interpretations of Ricardo's assumptions
can be verified by a web search at credible sources:
Keith Hudson wrote:
> <<<<
> Excerpt from the New Internationalist&
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> REH wrote:
> > We may not be as bad as feudal aristocracy but Democracy and the Market
was
> > supposed to be better than Socialism for ev
REH wrote:
> We may not be as bad as feudal aristocracy but Democracy and the Market was
> supposed to be better than Socialism for everyone not just less bad than
> Feudalism.
Neo-con capitalism comes awfully close to feudalism (inheritance of
title & influence is simply replaced by inheritance o
Chris,
You are right of course. That is what is happening over here these days.
REH
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Harry Pollard wrote:
> The New Internationalist is, of course, noted for its left wing
> anti-market stance. I used to subscribe but got tired of its bias.
Does that automatically make it wrong what they said about Ricardo?
Next thing you'll say is that Pierre Pettigrew also has a leftist bias...
Keith said:
But wealth always has done done ever since the institution of agriculture.
And the difference in wealth between the rich and the poor was far wider than
today. The poor were not just poor but chattels and slaves. The same applies to
the disparity of wealth in early industrialisati
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Ed,
The wrong fixes never work.
Now, the right fix . . .
. . . . ?
Harry
Henry Geor
>> In my 48 year teaching career, I started in thermodynamics, progressed through
>> psycho-analysis, then the character study of Gestalt work, Somatic studies and
>> laryngeal bio-mechanics and the therapy methods of the latter 25 years of the
>> 20th century. But a funny thi
. We don't drink.
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Ed,I'm a bit non-plussed by your answer, I'm
afraid
, Caveman Trade vs. Modern Trade
Ray, brilliant! Not sure of how to respond, so
maybe I'll just back into the shadows and say nothing. You're right about
how I see the world. It's a thing of interveaving flow processes, as
though it were dough in the hands of some gargantuan baker wh
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It seems that the NI's interpretations of Ricardo's assumptions can be
verified by a web search at credible sources:
Keith Hudson wrote:
>
> Excerpt from the New Internationalist's "No-Nonsense Guide to Globalization":
> (NI Publications Ltd, UK 2002, pp. 14-15)
...
> Ricardo wrote that nati
an enough capacity to be as kind
and peaceful and generous as we are to be nasty and murderous.
Keith
Ed
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Ed,
At 16:58 22/11/2003 -0500
I zero in on two items in the exchange of ideas between
Keith and Ray --->
REH
>> It seems to me that you all are arguing the superiority
>> of your own particular system as nature. Keith claims
>> nature for trade
KH
> I certainly do. We now know that notions of fairness are
> instinctive --
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It seems to me that you all are arguing the
superiority of your own particular system as nature. Keith
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Ed,At 16:58 22/11/2003 -0500, you
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Ray,
brilliant! Not sure of how to respond, so maybe I'll just back into
the shado
al and to find your peace with your fellow humans.
Fine words butter no parsnips, as we say over here. I hear what you say, but (I hope you don't take offence) I really don't understand this sort of language, I'm afraid.
Keith Hudson
REH
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else is about negotiation, wisdom and the courage to be who you are to the best of your potential and to find your peace with your fellow humans.
REH
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(I hope you don't take
offence) I really don't understand this sort of language, I'm afraid.
Keith Hudson
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It seems to me that you all are arguing the
superiority of your own particular
t (I hope you don't take offence) I really don't understand this sort
of language, I'm afraid.
Keith Hudson
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Ed,I'm a bit non-plussed by your answer,
I'm afraid. Let me try again -- see below. (This is slightly extend
Ed,
I'm a bit non-plussed by your answer, I'm afraid. Let me try again -- see
below. (This is slightly extended from the one I sent you and forgot to
copy to FW.)
At 07:13 22/11/2003 -0500, you wrote:
Keith:
> Today, currency has no value, except as much as the confidence that
people have in
>
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Ray,
At 19:43 21/11/2003 -0500, you wrote:
Thanks for this. Would that more common sense or more readers of the old
economists who turn out not to be so non-sensensical as they seem from
others who have an agenda and mis-quote them.
I would be curious from the others on the list about this.
Ray
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> Excerpt from the New Internationalist's "No-Nonsense Guide to
Globalization":
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Excerpt from the New Internationalist's "No-Nonsense Guide to Globalization":
(NI Publications Ltd, UK 2002, pp. 14-15)
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