Re: Have I waited long enough to move up to Leopard?

2008-11-10 Thread tonycd
My Quicksilver 867 has a Radeon 9700 that System Profiler recognizes as a 9800 Pro, and it runs Classic 9.2 perfectly. By the way, what's this Deinterlacing thing? On Nov 10, 9:15 am, insightinmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Nov 10, 2008, at 2:23 AM, Digital Bill wrote: > > > DVD Player

Re: DDR 3200 In eMac 1.25Ghz

2008-11-10 Thread PeterH
On Nov 10, 2008, at 3:59 PM, Simon Royal wrote: > You forgot PC1066 which is DDR3. No, I just didn't mention it as I have no machines which can run DDR3. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a gro

Imac and eMac

2008-11-10 Thread Kyle Hansen
I've kind of been gently letting all these posts go, but it's getting a bit ridiculous. The G-List has been overwhelmed with iMac and eMac postings. Posts regarding iMac and eMac machines should be voiced here: http://www.lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml We *do* have a "once removed" rule where a

Re: Fwd: Panther upgrade?

2008-11-10 Thread Al
On Nov 10, 4:09 pm, John Callahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I posted this to the Panther List and got a message that it doesn't   > exist anymore? > > Begin forwarded message: > > > Is it possible to install a Panther upgrade on a G4 Quicksilver   > > 733mHz Tower, 896 MB RAM, 40 GB hard drive

Re: DDR 3200 In eMac 1.25Ghz

2008-11-10 Thread Simon Royal
Peter You forgot PC1066 which is DDR3. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Nov 10 2008, Pete

Re: DDR 3200 In eMac 1.25Ghz

2008-11-10 Thread PeterH
On Nov 10, 2008, at 3:43 PM, Simon Royal wrote: > Am I right in thinking DDR 3200 RAM will work in a machine that > takes DDR > 2700 as long as both are 184 pin sticks. > > I've been offered some 1GB sticks of DDR 3200. I know my eMac takes > 2x1GB > sticks. > PC-2700 is getting hard to fin

Re: DDR 3200 In eMac 1.25Ghz

2008-11-10 Thread Kris Tilford
On Nov 10, 2008, at 5:43 PM, Simon Royal wrote: > Hi > > Am I right in thinking DDR 3200 RAM will work in a machine that > takes DDR > 2700 as long as both are 184 pin sticks. > > I've been offered some 1GB sticks of DDR 3200. I know my eMac takes > 2x1GB > sticks. > > Is it just like PC133 a

DDR 3200 In eMac 1.25Ghz

2008-11-10 Thread Simon Royal
Hi Am I right in thinking DDR 3200 RAM will work in a machine that takes DDR 2700 as long as both are 184 pin sticks. I've been offered some 1GB sticks of DDR 3200. I know my eMac takes 2x1GB sticks. Is it just like PC133 and PC100 that it will just run at the slower speed? Simon --- http:/

Re: Hot iMac

2008-11-10 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Nov 10, 2008, at 4:29 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: > > On Nov 10, 2008, at 5:21 PM, Simon Royal wrote: > >> I even have a white cat called Widget (I got here when Tiger first >> came out). > > "Wink" is sitting on my lap now, she's a really wild one! > >

Re: Hot iMac

2008-11-10 Thread Kris Tilford
On Nov 10, 2008, at 5:21 PM, Simon Royal wrote: > I even have a white cat called Widget (I got here when Tiger first > came out). "Wink" is sitting on my lap now, she's a really wild one! She always sleeps near the warm comput

Re: Hot iMac

2008-11-10 Thread Simon Royal
Hi I have 8 cats at the moment and if I leave my laptop sitting open, one of them will be sitting on the keyboard area when I get back. Then it is a case of removing them without them digging their claws in and ripping a few keys off in the process. I even have a white cat called Widget (I go

Re: Hot iMac

2008-11-10 Thread Dan
At 10:49 PM + 11/10/2008, Simon Royal wrote: >You know you have cats when one of the fluffy monsters chews through the >earphone cable to your iPod whilst you are listening to it. Frieda just turned two. She licks and chews on everything! Her fav, currently, is the air tubing on a medical

Re: Hot iMac

2008-11-10 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Nov 10, 2008, at 3:49 PM, Simon Royal wrote: > > Dan > > You know you have cats when one of the fluffy monsters chews through > the > earphone cable to your iPod whilst you are listening to it. > > Simon Mine loved those big fat SCSI cables. I have several laying around looking like they

Re: Have I waited long enough to move up to Leopard?

2008-11-10 Thread Al
On Nov 10, 5:06 pm, Simon Royal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi > > I love both Tiger and Leopard, but wouldn't recommend Leopard on anything > lower than a 1Ghz with 1GB of RAM. Yes it will run ok on lower but for good > performance go with the above minimum. > > Simon > > ---http://www.simonroya

Re: Hot iMac

2008-11-10 Thread Simon Royal
Dan You know you have cats when one of the fluffy monsters chews through the earphone cable to your iPod whilst you are listening to it. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Gr

Re: Hot iMac

2008-11-10 Thread Dan
At 5:23 PM -0500 11/10/2008, Steve R wrote: > >My neighbour's iMac is very quiet and barely warm, running the same >applications with a similar load that makes my G5 run load and very >hot. We don't live in a particularly dirty or hairy apartments, hey! My cat Jazzie objecteth to that. You know

Re: Out of the Blue

2008-11-10 Thread Dan
At 3:44 PM -0600 11/10/2008, Kris Tilford wrote: >On Nov 10, 2008, at 3:16 PM, Dan wrote: > > A responsible programmer would have put appropriate sanity (sic) >> checks in their code to make sure it DOESN'T LOAD if it's on an >> unsupported configuration. > >This is crazy. You're telling me tha

Re: Hot iMac

2008-11-10 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Nov 10, 2008, at 3:23 PM, Steve R wrote: > My neighbour's iMac is very quiet and barely warm, running the same > applications with a similar load that makes my G5 run load and very > hot. And THAT is why Apple could never make a G5 laptop. The Intel Macs run much cooler than the G5 Macs.

Re: Hot iMac

2008-11-10 Thread Steve R
At 5:02 PM -0500 11/10/08, Al Poulin posted: > On Nov 10, 2008, at 3:53 AM, g3-5-list group wrote: > >> == 1 of 4 == >> Date: Sun, Nov 9 2008 6:52 pm >> From: Anne Keller-Smith >> >> >> Is the new iMac supposed to run so hot? And where do they put the fans >> in there anyway? They're sure qu

Re: Free memory question

2008-11-10 Thread Dan
At 4:38 PM -0500 11/10/2008, Len Gerstel wrote: >DA with 1GB (1024MB) ram installed running 10.4.11. > >Wired 103.24 MB OS X's kernel plus i/o buffers. >Active 589.93 MB Memory allocated to processes and used recently. >Inactive 314.41 MB Memory allocated to processes and not used recently

Re: Free memory question

2008-11-10 Thread Len Gerstel
On Nov 10, 2008, at 4:49 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: > > > On Nov 10, 2008, at 2:38 PM, Len Gerstel wrote: > >> I have a system memory question to refresh my personal memory. I have >> a DA with 1GB (1024MB) ram installed running 10.4.11. After running >> my system all day (I shut down every night)

Re: Have I waited long enough to move up to Leopard?

2008-11-10 Thread Simon Royal
Hi I love both Tiger and Leopard, but wouldn't recommend Leopard on anything lower than a 1Ghz with 1GB of RAM. Yes it will run ok on lower but for good performance go with the above minimum. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - htt

Re: Hot iMac

2008-11-10 Thread Al Poulin
On Nov 10, 2008, at 3:53 AM, g3-5-list group wrote: > == 1 of 4 == > Date: Sun, Nov 9 2008 6:52 pm > From: Anne Keller-Smith > > > Is the new iMac supposed to run so hot? And where do they put the fans > in there anyway? They're sure quite though. The aluminum iMac has three fans. There are se

Re: Have I waited long enough to move up to Leopard?

2008-11-10 Thread James E. Therrault
My 2¢ worth... Stick with Tiger. I'm sure that Leopard can be made to work but it will be SLOW.. Regards, JT Samantha Goodson wrote: > > On Nov 10, 2008, at 7:50 AM, Doug Burton wrote: > >> >> >> I have the same machine and mine is staying with 10.4.11. For one >> thing, I've heard

Re: Video Oddness

2008-11-10 Thread aechmea
I have a G4 iMac which had similar problems, particularly the odd artefact, menu bar not rendered and old screen images still present until you open another window over them. It was worse when it got warmer (summer) but ran almost all winter without a problem. Eventually it got worse and worse

Re: Panther upgrade?

2008-11-10 Thread R. A. Cantrell
I did the exact upgrade yesterday on an eMac. It was running 10.2.8 and the owner wanted to run some HP printer software that required at least 10.3.8. I upgraded the machine with some 10.3.2 install disks, and the updated to 10.3.9 from the Apple website. It took a while, and I forgot to not let

Re: Free memory question

2008-11-10 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Nov 10, 2008, at 2:38 PM, Len Gerstel wrote: > I have a system memory question to refresh my personal memory. I have > a DA with 1GB (1024MB) ram installed running 10.4.11. After running > my system all day (I shut down every night) and not quitting any apps > (13 are open), just closing the

Re: Out of the Blue

2008-11-10 Thread Kris Tilford
On Nov 10, 2008, at 3:16 PM, Dan wrote: > A responsible programmer would have put appropriate sanity (sic) > checks in their code to make sure it DOESN'T LOAD if it's on an > unsupported configuration. This is crazy. You're telling me that a software developer should go back and make certain t

Re: Panther upgrade?

2008-11-10 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Nov 10, 2008, at 2:09 PM, John Callahan wrote: > > I posted this to the Panther List and got a message that it doesn't > exist anymore? > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: John Callahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Date: November 10, 2008 3:45:42 PM EST >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Cc: John Call

Free memory question

2008-11-10 Thread Len Gerstel
I have a system memory question to refresh my personal memory. I have a DA with 1GB (1024MB) ram installed running 10.4.11. After running my system all day (I shut down every night) and not quitting any apps (13 are open), just closing the unused documents, the System Memory portion of Act

Re: Out of the Blue

2008-11-10 Thread Dan
At 2:34 PM -0600 11/10/2008, Kris Tilford wrote: >On Nov 10, 2008, at 11:38 AM, Dan wrote: > >> That's what happened. What I did was install "Dock Detox" for >>> Entourage from Unsanity. >> >> gah. What's the deal with Unsanity's haxie? It seems to break a lot >> of things way too often! > >

Re: Out of the Blue

2008-11-10 Thread Amanda Ward
Yeah... On 11/10/08 12:34, "Kris Tilford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Nov 10, 2008, at 11:38 AM, Dan wrote: > >>> That's what happened. What I did was install "Dock Detox" for >>> Entourage from Unsanity. >> >> gah. What's the deal with Unsanity's haxie? It seems to break a lot >> of

Fwd: Panther upgrade?

2008-11-10 Thread John Callahan
I posted this to the Panther List and got a message that it doesn't exist anymore? Begin forwarded message: > From: John Callahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: November 10, 2008 3:45:42 PM EST > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: John Callahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Panther upgrade? > > Is it p

Re: Admin password and name

2008-11-10 Thread Kris Tilford
On Nov 10, 2008, at 2:47 PM, norm46 wrote: > How does one delete the login keychain? Open the application "Keychain Access" in your Utilities folder. In the lefthand column highlight the keychain called "Login" and Control- click or right-click on it to get the contextual drop down menu and

Re: Admin password and name

2008-11-10 Thread norm46
How does one delete the login keychain? On Nov 9, 7:20 pm, Kris Tilford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Nov 9, 2008, at 5:38 PM, Norman Rowe wrote: > > > First off I have never had linux. I have OS 10.5.5 on 2 HD drives.   > > The backup seems to be fine. The main one keeps asking for an   > > ad

Re: Out of the Blue

2008-11-10 Thread Kris Tilford
On Nov 10, 2008, at 11:38 AM, Dan wrote: >> That's what happened. What I did was install "Dock Detox" for >> Entourage from Unsanity. > > gah. What's the deal with Unsanity's haxie? It seems to break a lot > of things way too often! This is unfair. Unsanity products preform perfectly when use

Re: Have I waited long enough to move up to Leopard?

2008-11-10 Thread Doug Burton
On Nov 10, 2008, at 1:51 PM, Samantha Goodson wrote: > > On Nov 10, 2008, at 7:50 AM, Doug Burton wrote: > >> >> >> I have the same machine and mine is staying with 10.4.11. For one >> thing, I've heard that Leopard was optimized for Intel machines and >> I did try to run it on my upgraded DA w

Re: Photoshop 7 on Intel iMac NOT Why?

2008-11-10 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Nov 9, 2008, at 7:45 PM, Anne Keller-Smith wrote: > > Hi O Great Ones, > > Since the IIvx and OS7 I have always been able to run old software > on a > new Mac. But Pshop 7 that works well on the G4 throws an unrecoverable > error and immediately closes on the Intel iMac. Is it the Intel >

Re: Have I waited long enough to move up to Leopard?

2008-11-10 Thread Samantha Goodson
On Nov 10, 2008, at 7:50 AM, Doug Burton wrote: > > > I have the same machine and mine is staying with 10.4.11. For one > thing, I've heard that Leopard was optimized for Intel machines and > I did try to run it on my upgraded DA with a 1.6 Ghz CPU. I didn't > like it, ran slow and choppy. B

Re: Out of the Blue

2008-11-10 Thread Amanda Ward
Dan... On 11/10/08 09:38, "Dan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > gah. What's the deal with Unsanity's haxie? It seems to break a lot > of things way too often! > > See this article for recovery steps: > > > In general, you need to get in there somehow and

Re: Out of the Blue

2008-11-10 Thread Dan
At 7:58 AM -0800 11/10/2008, Amanda Ward wrote: >Hi All... > >Leopard went away. > >That's what happened. What I did was install "Dock Detox" for >Entourage from Unsanity. gah. What's the deal with Unsanity's haxie? It seems to break a lot of things way too often! See this article for recove

Re: Out of the Blue

2008-11-10 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Nov 10, 2008, at 10:15 AM, Amanda Ward wrote: > I =kinda= suspect the system is hosed and while I can rebuild the > thing, I =really= don't want to have to. try an archive&re-install first. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institution

Re: Out of the Blue

2008-11-10 Thread Amanda Ward
On Nov 10, 2008, at 8:08 AM, insightinmind wrote: > Thinking out loud ... Is 3GB rather small free space for Leopard? > > I'd try Safe Boot mode into Leopard (booting use Shift key down?), > and, if successful, removing what you installed, and see what happens. > > Just thinking out loud ... som

Re: Out of the Blue

2008-11-10 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Nov 10, 2008, at 8:58 AM, Amanda Ward wrote: > Hi All... > > Leopard went away. > > That's what happened. What I did was install "Dock Detox" for > Entourage from Unsanity. I rebooted the system and got a blue screen > with a mouse pointer. I can move the pointer around, but that's all > that

Out of the Blue

2008-11-10 Thread Amanda Ward
Hi All... Leopard went away. That's what happened. What I did was install "Dock Detox" for Entourage from Unsanity. I rebooted the system and got a blue screen with a mouse pointer. I can move the pointer around, but that's all that happens. I've seen this before and if I waited for a whil

Re: Out of the Blue

2008-11-10 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Nov 10, 2008, at 8:58 AM, Amanda Ward wrote: > > Hi All... > > Leopard went away. > > That's what happened. What I did was install "Dock Detox" for > Entourage from Unsanity. I rebooted the system and got a blue screen > with a mouse pointer. I can move the pointer around, but that's all > th

Re: Out of the Blue

2008-11-10 Thread insightinmind
On Nov 10, 2008, at 10:58 AM, Amanda Ward wrote: > > Hi All... > > Leopard went away. ... > > That's what happened. What I did was install "Dock Detox" for > Entourage from Unsanity. I rebooted the system and got a blue screen > with a mouse pointer. ... > > I booted from the Leopard DVD and

Re: Hot iMac

2008-11-10 Thread Dan
At 9:52 PM -0500 11/9/2008, Anne Keller-Smith wrote: > >Is the new iMac supposed to run so hot? How hot? All the time, or just when you're making it work hard? Ambient room temperature range? Good ventilation around the iMac? They do run warm, but not anywhere near what I'd call hot. - Dan.

Re: Have I waited long enough to move up to Leopard?

2008-11-10 Thread insightinmind
On Nov 10, 2008, at 2:23 AM, Digital Bill wrote: > > I routinely share files between the two machines, as well as my wife's > new iMac, which runs Leopard. And I like a lot of what I've seen in > Leopard, especially the simplicity of Time Machine, to say nothing of > several apps and utilities I

Re: Have I waited long enough to move up to Leopard?

2008-11-10 Thread Doug Burton
On Nov 10, 2008, at 2:23 AM, Digital Bill wrote: > > The subject line pretty much says it all. I've never been an early > adopter, and I've held off going beyond Tiger 10.4.11 on my MDD Dual > (2x867) G4 until now mainly because it's been stable and I > (mistakenly) thought I wanted to hold onto

Re: Video Oddness

2008-11-10 Thread Kris Tilford
On Nov 10, 2008, at 6:24 AM, Andy wrote: > A friend’s G4 iBook is displaying strange video behaviour. Pink and > blue artifacts appear on the screen from boot up onwards. Also > images from windows leave their impression behind when closed. This > can sometimes be ‘cleaned up’ by draging an

Video Oddness

2008-11-10 Thread Andy
Hello I posted this on the g book list but there¹s been no activity there since last Wednesday. A friend¹s G4 iBook is displaying strange video behaviour. Pink and blue artefacts appear on the screen from boot up onwards. Also images from windows leave their impression behind when closed. This ca

Re: Have I waited long enough to move up to Leopard?

2008-11-10 Thread dc
I've been running 10.5 on various machines since day 1. The only problem I've had is right at install; Leopard is memory intensive and any RAM that is not up to specs will cause problems, even if Tiger ran on it. Use a RAM checker (like Rember) and run several passes to be sure your RAM is OK befo

Re: Switching to an LCD

2008-11-10 Thread Barrie Templeton
I also have a Blue and White G3, and have connected two different LCDs without problems. The current one is a Samsung that My wife didnèt like on her Gateway, so I swapped the screens. I would suspect some setting in the video card or perhaps a glitch there. (Especially since it works after

Re: Hot iMac

2008-11-10 Thread Simon Royal
Hi. Yeah, then wait til its 2 years old and then it will burn itself like mine did and die. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) -original message- Subject: Re: Hot iMac From: Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 10/11/2008 04:22 To find the fan