: Sunday, February 10, 2008 6:51 PM
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they can't sue you for what you don't have. if you have it they can
sue
you.
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Ah, yes, -was just agreeing as I like both cultures and aspects
that that might bring to a game. Two totally different approaches.
But yes, I think for this game, if you'd want to stay closer to the
treasure / warrior aspects, Aztecs would have to be the way of it!…
smile
this
Hi Cara,
Hmm... Well, seeing as the object is treasure hunting probably should be
Aztecs. They were well known for their great wealth in gold, silver, and
warlike ways.
If you remember the ancient Mayans are more remembered today for their
calendars, language, and level of scientific
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Guys, this may come as a shock, but game development companies don't
write games for people to enjoy. smile They write games for people
to buy, and then sequels for people
Hi,
I agree with you Ari.
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really Thomas, feel very sorry for you about
Hi Bryan,
Well, I've been doing some thinking about that, and I have decided first
off to include this game as apart of the Tomb Hunter series of games.
This will be volume 1 in the Tomb Hunter installment featuring Angela
Summers as are daring female treasure hunter. I've already imported the
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement
Yes well they were just stupid fools. If they want to change the name of
a
book that has been around for a good few decades just because of that
well
they need their brains blasting.
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Yes well they were just stupid fools. If they want to change the name of a
book that has been around for a good few decades just because of that well
they need their brains blasting.
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hi thomas,
why don't they download and play your game before making acuzations?
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I like both, Mayans and/or Aztecs. I think either would make for
an interesting and fun gaming environment.
Rock!…
Cara :)
On Feb 11, 2008, at 7:02 PM, Thomas Ward wrote:
Hi Bryan,
Well, I've been doing some thinking about that, and I have decided
first
off to include this game as
Yes, i heard about that one, - utter insanity! Luckily the name wasn't
copywrited though so it was just some idiots kicking up a stink oover
nothing.
One interesting fact about copywriting names though, is that here in england
the copywrite office is in cardif, so there have been some
is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so.
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Hi Josh,
No. They were merely
Tell me Thomas, as I'm not clear on this, I understand a bit about naming
and trade marks, but, what would happen, if, for example, a company invented
a game, and another company invented practically the same game, but just
with a different name, can you copyright a concept? Example, a person
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Tell me Thomas, as I'm not clear on this, I understand a bit about naming
and trade marks, but, what would happen, if, for example, a company
How 'bout Wealth of Empires?
Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so.
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How 'bout Wealth of Empires?
Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so.
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That reminds me more of an economic stratogy game Bryan, I'd suggest
something like Montizuma's treasures or montizuma's labyrinth
or how about, - montizuma's avengence ;D.
Beware the Grue!
Dark.
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Hi Andy,
After I got that email yesterday I got online and did some research into
Utopia's Montezuma's Return game. There really is not a lot of points of
similarity to sue for copyright infringement. My game was suppose to be
a clone of Montezuma's Revenge, not Montezuma's Return, so the story
Hi Kuvvosh,
Very true, but even so I did use their name and if that is the only
copyright issue they have I'll simply change the name of the game.
Perhaps I will make a couple of other changes here and there to make the
game less like Montezuma's Revenge/Return to keep from being accused
again
Hi Dark,
I honestly don't think much is going to come of this for the same
reasons you mentioned below. The game they have is no longer on sale,
the company is bust, and game companies have used similar themes and
characters all the time. In this case my game is quite a bit different
than
outright
said so yet.
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Hi Dark,
Again correct. I am not so worried about
Hi William,
Well, keep in mind I didn't conceive the idea of writing Montezuma's
Revenge or Montezuma's Return to begin with. That was James North's idea
to recreate Montezuma's Revenge. I merely took over the project, and
this is the results of using a name of a game that already existed.
Hi Dark,
Again correct. I am not so worried about the enemies and main character.
I personally think the only point of conflict is the games name which I
will agree to change if that is what they want me to do.
Dark wrote:
Only I think if it used the same character names to which you also had
2008 14:45
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Hi William,
Well, keep in mind I didn't conceive the idea of writing Montezuma's
Revenge or Montezuma's Return to begin with. That was James North's idea
to recreate Montezuma's Revenge. I
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Well yes I mean what's in a name anyway. Like I say this may do the blind
friendly games community some good
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Hi Ari,
Actually, that kind of cloning the same game under a new title happens
all the time with game companies. For example, there are several
Asteroid clones
AM
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Hi William,
Well, keep in mind I didn't conceive the idea of writing Montezuma's
Revenge or Montezuma's Return to begin with. That was James North's idea
to recreate Montezuma's Revenge. I merely took over the project
Hi,
I don't know what good can come from this, but I am certain this will
blow over in a few days. I am not treating this as a big deal. Like you
I think they are just
cureous more than anything else.
Darren Harris wrote:
Well yes I mean what's in a name anyway. Like I say this may do the
accessible for blind people.
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Hi,
I don't know what good can come from this, but I
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Well it couldn't be Age of Empires because that's already a game, albeit a
totally inaccessible one for us
Though as I said in that thread Bryan, one nice thing is that we don't have
to borrow a game's plot entirely just to use similar elements, so are not
streight jacketed by the original.
Why would the hero of an audio metroid-alike game have to be a bounty
hunter? or female? or fight space
H, why would it be a good thing?
all I can see it as is an annoyence, - though in fairness this does seem
to come up a lot, - look at the way the world wrestling federation is
now world wrestling entertainment because the world wildlife fund complained
about them using the letters
Hi tom.
well, I hope they see reason, especially if their game is significantly
different.
Even if it isn't though, unless they have a main character with the same
name (highly unlikely), I don't think you should change anything more than
the name if necessary for the reasons I
so.
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H, why would it be a good thing?
all I can see it as is an annoyence
2008 23:32
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They were the WWF for years. It was kinda like the stink some people raised
about the second Lord of the Rings movie being called Two Towers. After
September 11 they got all uptight because
hey tom, what is the email of the guy who emailed you about the copyright?
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Hello
Discussion list
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Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 9:19 AM
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Hi Andy,
After I got that email yesterday I got online and did some research into
Utopia's Montezuma's Return game. There really is not a lot of points
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They were the WWF for years. It was kinda like the stink some people
raised
about the second Lord of the Rings movie being called Two Towers. After
Hi Dark,
Absolutely true. In fact, one of the hardest things about Monte was I
was being pulled in two different directions as far as game design went.
I had the game purests who wanted absolute authentic Monte. I had
younger gamers going ad this, this, and this.
Well, now that I have just
, 2008 7:24 PM
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Hi Dark,
Actually, their Montezuma's Return game was a full fledged 3D FPS
shooter. The character was a guy, and the story was quite a lot
different. Never-the-less I agreed to remove the name from my game,
which
the word with regards to making games
accessible for blind people.
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Hi
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Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 5:24 PM
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All I have to say about the towers is that some folks are just way too up
tight.
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hasn't clue about audio games happy. if it were me I would
refuse.
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Hi Dark
announcement
hey,
is someone trying to sue thomas because he made the montezuma's game?
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they can't sue you for what you don't have. if you have it they can sue you.
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, 2008 6:51 PM
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they can't sue you for what you don't have. if you have it they can sue
you.
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yep true
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A mainstream dev isn't going to care about that. If they perceive
gamers@audyssey.org
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Hi Dark,
Actually, their Montezuma's Return game was a full fledged 3D FPS
shooter. The character was a guy, and the story was quite a lot
different. Never-the-less I
Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
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suppose for example you were not planning to sell the game and were to
release it as free? then could they still sue you?
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Hi Josh,
No. They were merely requesting that I stop using the Montezuma's Return
title, and to change the game some.
If you read the original posts on this issue that will explain what is
happening without me having to rehash it all again.
josh wrote:
hey,
is someone trying to sue thomas
Hi Josh,
Assuming I were to keep something in that theme, which I am not, I'd
probably just use the guys proper name. His name was actually Moctezuma
or something like that. Down through history his name got changed to
Montezuma and has been that way ever since. Though, I know enough
history
The two high-rise buildings!
Ari
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Hi Josh,
No offense, man, but how old are you? Your responces and reaction to
this is a bit immature and unrealistic. If you get angry and argue you
will lose the respect of the very people you are trying to convince to
let you use a copyright, to nogotiate with you, or to just leave you alone.
Hello gamers,
Earlier today I received an email from someone who worked for Utopia
Technologies, the developers of a game called Montezuma's Return for the
PC, and he was asking several pointed questions about conflicts of
interest, copyrights, and that sort of thing. USA Games is currently
really Thomas, feel very sorry for you about this, can't stand bloody evil
people like that, these big bullying corporate-types who try and find
anything to sue over to just make money, that's the one thing I find not
great about America, the culture over there of people just wanting to find
: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement
It's not just Americans though. It's people the world over. Though I
personally agree with trying to avoid opyright infringement where possible i
also know that it's nearly impossible for devs to make a game for the blind
without stepping
with regards to content.
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really Thomas, feel very sorry for you about this, can't
Thomas, There are sites saying this company doesn't even exist anymore, so
how can they trademark the game like that? If they're not even existing, my
guess is could this just be sour grapes and an excuse to try and get
something by threatening? If they don't even exist anymore, how can they
:20 PM
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really Thomas, feel very sorry for you about this, can't stand bloody evil
people like that, these big bullying corporate-types who try and find
anything to sue over to just make money, that's the one thing I find not
great
But the copywrite still exists even if the company doesn't.
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Thomas
, 2008 3:11 PM
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Hello gamers,
Earlier today I received an email from someone who worked for Utopia
Technologies, the developers of a game called Montezuma's Return for the
PC, and he was asking several pointed questions about
behind our troops,
please, feel free ... to stand in front of them!
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Before this goes too far, did anyone notice that there's no need to panic?
I figure that it can be reasonably worked
Hi Ari,
For the record the person I was emailing today didn't say anything about
suing me. At this point all he has done is ask me a lot of questions
about conflicts of interests, how I obtained the copyrights to
Montezuma's Return, how similar my game is to the Utopia title, etc. I
am hoping
Hi Bryan and all,
Unfortunately, big corperations and even some smaller corperations don't
see it exactly the same way. If it wasn't for laws like Section 508
software accessibility would still be worse than it is today. Do to
Section 508 a lot more companies are considering accessibility more
: Saturday, February 09, 2008 7:05 PM
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Before this goes too far, did anyone notice that there's no need to panic?
I figure that it can be reasonably worked out in, hopefully, a friendly
way.
If a game previously existed
Games we'd like to play.
Tom Ward's USA Games Interactive.
Home of
Angela Summers and the Temple of Montezuma.
In this fast action, classic side-scroller, you Are Angela Summers, a daring
treasure hunter,
willing to risk copyright infringement to find and recover the secret
treasures of Emperor
Hi,
I can assure you in one form or another the game will be completed. It
is just a question of how the final product will be, and under what name
it will be sold under.
Instead of bouncing and rolling skulls maybe I can use sword wielding
skelitons. Perhaps I can add this or that to the game
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really Thomas, feel very sorry for you about this, can't stand bloody
evil
people like
Oh my god someone actually did that Someone told me about that coffee thing
but I didn't
believe it. Oh my god, people really are crazy...
On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 19:22:47 -0500, Thomas Ward wrote:
Hi Ari,
For the record the person I was emailing today didn't say anything about
suing me. At
Hi Darren,
Correct. The way the U.S. copyright system is set up copyrights will
remain the property of a company or individual long after they are
discontinued or dead. That is why it is so tricky for an accessible game
developer to just come out with a game like Tomb Raider, Star Wars, etc
Hi Ari,
Yes, it is true that Utopia Technologies no longer is in existance as a
company. However, that doesn't matter according to U.S. copyright law. A
copyright can be held by a company or individual for the life of that
person or company plus an additional amount of years. Either way they
: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement
That depends at least partially on the other guy though, how willing he is
to listen and work with Thomas to find an easy solution.
Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so.
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Lol! Good one Phil!
On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 19:46:36 -0500, Phil Vlasak wrote:
Games we'd like to play.
Tom Ward's USA Games Interactive.
Home of
Angela Summers and the Temple of Montezuma.
In this fast action, classic side-scroller, you Are Angela Summers, a
daring
treasure hunter,
willing to
Hi Phil,
Hahahaha. As usual you have good humor.
Phil Vlasak wrote:
Games we'd like to play.
Tom Ward's USA Games Interactive.
Home of
Angela Summers and the Temple of Montezuma.
In this fast action, classic side-scroller, you Are Angela Summers, a daring
treasure hunter,
willing to risk
heheheheheeh, love it!
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Hi Phil,
Hahahaha. As usual you have good humor
Hi Charles,
Could be. Under the circumstances changing the name might be advisable,
but it is too early to say one way or another. I am definitly going to
use a name change as a consession if it comes to that.. Something like
Angela's Quest or something along those lines would be fine. It is
Hi Charles,
Yes, exactly. I said as much at the end of my original post. There is no
reason to go pushing panic buttons yet. I merely want to inform or
advise everyone that I have been officially contacted/notified, and I am
dealing with an unexpected situation.
I also don't want to release
Hi,
True, but I don't really think there is much room for fighting.
Montezuma's Return, the Utopia Technologies version, was released in
1998, and that company is out of business. The game is no longer for
sale, and perhaps that is reason for hope.
At the very least perhaps they will be
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Hi,
I can assure you in one form or another the game will be completed. It
is just a question of how the final product will be, and under what name
it will be sold under.
Instead of bouncing and rolling
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Games we'd like to play.
Tom Ward's USA Games Interactive.
Home of
Angela Summers and the Temple of Montezuma.
In this fast action, classic
Hello tom.
It actually makes me rather angry how petty people can be over copyrights.
copyright laws were afterall created to protect good ideas and concepts, not
to nit pick.
this game is plainly not on sale anymore (a quick google for Montizuma's
return brought up nothing), so this fool is
behind our troops,
please, feel free ... to stand in front of them!
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Hello tom
.
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Thomas, There are sites saying this company doesn't even exist
anymore
Only I think if it used the same character names to which you also had
copywrite, Eg, if this other Montizumas return had a doctor angela
summers. rolling skulls, snakes and other enemies are so generic, that if
they were copywrite, not many games at all would be able to use them even if
, February 09, 2008 7:03 PM
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Only I think if it used the same character names to which you also had
copywrite, Eg, if this other Montizumas return had a doctor angela
summers. rolling skulls, snakes and other enemies are so
well here I learned in law lectures at tech that you can sue here but the most
you can get is something like 40, I am not sure if its correct now, but you
can sue all you want but you won't get it, there is a limit here you can sue
for.
At 01:22 p.m. 10/02/2008, you wrote:
Hi Ari,
For the
well we just change the name again tom.
If the name clashes and clearly it does, now we know we can just change it
again.
At 12:20 p.m. 10/02/2008, you wrote:
really Thomas, feel very sorry for you about this, can't stand bloody evil
people like that, these big bullying corporate-types who try
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