Re: [Audyssey] Product Security was Keys for my laptop

2008-01-03 Thread Damien Sadler
I'm thinking of using online registration. Regards, Damien - Original Message - From: "Daniel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Product Security was Keys for my laptop >

Re: [Audyssey] Product Security was Keys for my laptop

2007-12-22 Thread shaun everiss
yeah thats true enough. My dad's system has been faithfull for a bit, and this week it started to show its age. Its a mishmash of bits and bobs and xp was part of it all. And well I think it may be about to croak, oh well, its the oldest system in the house, the last to be upgraded, so it makes s

Re: [Audyssey] Product Security was Keys for my laptop

2007-12-22 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi, Well, there were other ways to crack Jaws besides replicating the authorisation disks, and one method is still open to a cracker if he or she knows assembly. A couple of years ago there was a cracked demo of Jaws floating around. The cracker disassembled the Jaws demo, turned off the timer,

Re: [Audyssey] Product Security was Keys for my laptop

2007-12-22 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Bryan, Unfortunately, that is the downside of internet based product activation. Though, it is becoming allot more common commercially. I know Vista, Sound Forge, Omnipage, Jaws, etdc use online activation now, and it is becoming impossible to own and use a computer without online access unl

Re: [Audyssey] Product Security was Keys for my laptop

2007-12-22 Thread Cory
Che you have such a way with words! love it! Cory - Original Message - From: "Che" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Product Security was Keys for my laptop > Valid ar

Re: [Audyssey] Product Security was Keys for my laptop

2007-12-22 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Bryan, Yeah, I know all about how fical and tempermental computers can be. Earlier this week my copy of Vista died on my laptop and I was forced to spend three entire days recovering all my stuff, reinstalling Vista, apps, and getting my development tools reconfigured. In fact, I still haven

Re: [Audyssey] Product Security was Keys for my laptop

2007-12-22 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Daniel, I didn't say they talked about it on mailing lists, per say, it is just a well known fact that these cracked games get passed around by word of mouth and through private channels. Not to mention the information isn't that hard to come by if you know the right listers to ask. The Draco

Re: [Audyssey] Product Security was Keys for my laptop

2007-12-22 Thread Bryan
AIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 4:38 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Product Security was Keys for my laptop >I kind of like that Internet License Manager thing Freedom Scientific uses. > It seemds more secure than the authorization keys

Re: [Audyssey] Product Security was Keys for my laptop

2007-12-22 Thread Stefen Hudson
r 21, 2007 6:00 PM To: "Gamers Discussion list" Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Product Security was Keys for my laptop > Hi Michael, > Yes, I have to agree with the point you raised just because there is a > percentage of people who will crack your product doesn't mean a > deve

Re: [Audyssey] Product Security was Keys for my laptop

2007-12-21 Thread Bryan
sage - From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Product Security was Keys for my laptop > Hi Michael, > Yes, I have to agree with the point you raised just because ther

Re: [Audyssey] Product Security was Keys for my laptop

2007-12-21 Thread Bryan
;Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Product Security was Keys for my laptop > That's like saying that people will break into your house whether you like > it or not so there's no use fighting it. Do you honestly think we

Re: [Audyssey] Product Security was Keys for my laptop

2007-12-21 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Michael, Yes, I have to agree with the point you raised just because there is a percentage of people who will crack your product doesn't mean a developer needs to be totally lax about security. On the other hand too much security can be a major turn off for some potential customers. So somew

Re: [Audyssey] Product Security was Keys for my laptop

2007-12-21 Thread Yohandy
awesome! Will have to find this book and check it out. sounds interesting. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Product Security was Keys f

Re: [Audyssey] Product Security was Keys for my laptop

2007-12-21 Thread Che
understand others reservations regarding a hardware based system. Later, Che - Original Message - From: "Daniel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Product Security was Keys for my

Re: [Audyssey] Product Security was Keys for my laptop

2007-12-21 Thread Michael Feir
ROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Product Security was Keys for my laptop > Hi, > I agree with Draconis. What I've seen is a Troopanum2 crack, yes. And is > it hardware-based? I believe it was. I didn&

Re: [Audyssey] Product Security was Keys for my laptop

2007-12-21 Thread Daniel
Hi, I agree with Draconis. What I've seen is a Troopanum2 crack, yes. And is it hardware-based? I believe it was. I didn't use it, just... Gained information from jerks who pirate stuff. And Liam, there's stuff going around... My point is that I agree with you totally about hardware keys, don'

Re: [Audyssey] Product Security was Keys for my laptop

2007-12-21 Thread Daniel
Wow, Tom, they talk about this stuff on mailing lists? I agree with Che that he would put a lawyer to work, but piracy can't really be stopped. It's been proven dozens and dozens of times. On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:24:43 -0500, Thomas Ward wrote: >Hi Che, >I think your position is equally valid

Re: [Audyssey] Product Security was Keys for my laptop

2007-12-21 Thread josh
PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Product Security was Keys for my laptop > > The recent trend away from DRM in music downloads is a great > illustration. The fact of the matter is simple. Is the loss of sales > from pirates worth severely inconveniencing your loyal and dedicated > customers?

Re: [Audyssey] Product Security was Keys for my laptop

2007-12-21 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Bryan, As long as there are developers out there like Jim Kitchen who donates his games for free crackers won't kill the ag market, but they may discover companies who have games they want to play will close up shop and go elsewhere. Allot of developers, like myself, are just writing games fo

Re: [Audyssey] Product Security was Keys for my laptop

2007-12-21 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi, One thing to keep in mind is that crackers have a mind set if they can't crack it they don't want it sort of attitude. So Either way you look at it you are not going to get that sale weather you have great security or poor security. The only major diference is that poor security makes it ea

Re: [Audyssey] Product Security was Keys for my laptop

2007-12-21 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Che, I think your position is equally valid. I have seen similar lists of cracks for popular accessible games including discovered a crack for all the GMA Games and the PCS Games. All that piracy is going to do is make developers less interested in developing games, or strengthen security t

Re: [Audyssey] Product Security was Keys for my laptop

2007-12-21 Thread Bryan
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Product Security was Keys for my laptop >I think with recent trends in technology with people owning multiple > computers, or machines that run an Os, hardware based keys may cause > trouble > in future, and not just for the customer. what happens when we all

Re: [Audyssey] Product Security was Keys for my laptop

2007-12-21 Thread dark
I think with recent trends in technology with people owning multiple computers, or machines that run an Os, hardware based keys may cause trouble in future, and not just for the customer. what happens when we all want keys for our desktop, laptop, and mobile phone. At the same time though, the

Re: [Audyssey] Product Security was Keys for my laptop

2007-12-20 Thread Draconis Entertainment
The recent trend away from DRM in music downloads is a great illustration. The fact of the matter is simple. Is the loss of sales from pirates worth severely inconveniencing your loyal and dedicated customers? In the end, you are troubling far more of the honest folks than you are stopp

Re: [Audyssey] Product Security was Keys for my laptop

2007-12-20 Thread Bryan
er 20, 2007 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Product Security was Keys for my laptop > Valid arguments, but I recently saw a list of pirated games a member of > our list here had, and it was basically all the major accessible game > titles. For me, protecting my intellectual property is wo

Re: [Audyssey] Product Security was Keys for my laptop

2007-12-20 Thread Che
Valid arguments, but I recently saw a list of pirated games a member of our list here had, and it was basically all the major accessible game titles. For me, protecting my intellectual property is worth the slight inconvenience to myself as a developer, and it only takes a few seconds to sen

[Audyssey] Product Security was Keys for my laptop

2007-12-20 Thread Thomas Ward
Hello Che, Yes, XHEO is a very secure licensing library and product security system, but unfortunately I was unable to buy it before releasing Monte do to a lack of cash. I'm still thinking of buying it for future games, but I also know what customers have to put up with when using hardware bas