Re: [Audyssey] the cost of documentation - Re: Somepracticalquestionsreguarding the Monopoly game

2013-12-13 Thread Cara Quinn
While I'm not a super fast Braille reader, I personally find it very fast to use speech to code. For the kinds of things I need to do on a daily basis, the speed of using speech is far superior for me. I.E. I do not need to leave my keyboard to search huge projects and edit little bits of code

Re: [Audyssey] the cost of documentation - Re: Somepracticalquestionsreguarding the Monopoly game

2013-12-13 Thread Charles Rivard
ng defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: "Jorge Gonçalves" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 6:10 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] the cost of documentation - Re: Somepracticalquesti

Re: [Audyssey] the cost of documentation - Re: Somepracticalquestionsreguarding the Monopoly game

2013-12-13 Thread Charles Rivard
f you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 7:34 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] the cost of documentation - Re: Somepracticalquestionsreguarding th

Re: [Audyssey] the cost of documentation - Re: Somepracticalquestionsreguarding the Monopoly game

2013-12-13 Thread Josh
the only braille display I would get is a braille pen because those are the cheapest and most affordable. I am still waiting for a nice cheap $300 or so 25 line full page braille display. using windows7 laptop On 12/13/2013 8:34 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Charles: Yes and no. Certainly when l

Re: [Audyssey] the cost of documentation - Re: Somepracticalquestionsreguarding the Monopoly game

2013-12-13 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Charles: Yes and no. Certainly when looking at code braille is beneficial because you can instantly feel if your formatting is correct, if you have all the write syntax, function names are correctly spelled, etc. However, there are ways to get the same information through speech, and no it does

Re: [Audyssey] the cost of documentation - Re: Somepracticalquestionsreguarding the Monopoly game

2013-12-13 Thread Jorge Gonçalves
For a braille display you need a software to use it which you don't have to pay a cent for getting it: For Windows you have Nvda, for Apple products you use Voiceover, for Android you use Talkback, for Lynux you use Orca. What is the damn expensive software you need for using braille with a brai

Re: [Audyssey] the cost of documentation - Re: Somepracticalquestionsreguarding the Monopoly game

2013-12-13 Thread Jorge Gonçalves
Hello Dark: So I also tell you as a professional musician myself how can you learn and analyze pieces like Rachmaninnoffs Second Concerto with tupplets of dozens of notes in one beat in both hands without reading it? Are you superman? And if we don't need to read, why sighted musicians use scor

Re: [Audyssey] the cost of documentation - Re: Somepracticalquestionsreguarding the Monopoly game

2013-12-13 Thread Jorge Gonçalves
Hello Dark: So I also tell you as a professional musician myself how can you learn and analyze pieces like Rachmaninnoffs Second Concerto with tupplets of dozens of notes in one beat in both hands without reading it? Are you superman? And if we don't need to read, why sighted musicians use scor

Re: [Audyssey] the cost of documentation - Re: Somepracticalquestionsreguarding the Monopoly game

2013-12-13 Thread Jim Kitchen
Hi Charles, I never touched braille until I was thirty two and a half, so I am not very good with it. I do though like it for playing cards with friends. If by myself though, I will play cards on the computer instead. Up Words is a game similar to scrabble, but you stack letters to change w

Re: [Audyssey] the cost of documentation - Re: Somepracticalquestionsreguarding the Monopoly game

2013-12-12 Thread Charles Rivard
From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] the cost of documentation - Re: Somepracticalquestionsreguarding the Monopoly game Hi Bryan: Well, regarding netspeak I think a lot of that has to do

Re: [Audyssey] the cost of documentation - Re: Somepracticalquestionsreguarding the Monopoly game

2013-12-12 Thread Charles Rivard
nt: Thursday, December 12, 2013 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] the cost of documentation - Re: Somepracticalquestionsreguarding the Monopoly game Hi: Lol! Yes, fingers are better than ears when playing guitars and pianos too. Regarding basic proofreading and editing no matter what screen rea

Re: [Audyssey] the cost of documentation - Re: Somepracticalquestionsreguarding the Monopoly game

2013-12-12 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Bryan: Well, regarding netspeak I think a lot of that has to do with more and more people are using phones for communicating and since phones don't have full sized keyboards for e-mailing or texting it is easier to use the number 2 rather than use to or too. Various other common netspeak shortc

Re: [Audyssey] the cost of documentation - Re: Somepracticalquestionsreguarding the Monopoly game

2013-12-12 Thread dark
While I do partly agree on the litteracy front, there is another side to it. when I first switched from primarily writing in braille to typing, my spelling was horribly bad simply because I was so used to grade two contractions. I couldn't spell very basic words like little, recieve or father

Re: [Audyssey] the cost of documentation - Re: Somepracticalquestionsreguarding the Monopoly game

2013-12-12 Thread Bryan Peterson
ion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] the cost of documentation - Re: Somepracticalquestionsreguarding the Monopoly game Hi Jorge: I think you have hit upon the one issue that we can agree upon. While braille use is gradually being replaced by other technical alternatives it is still the only way to truly p

Re: [Audyssey] the cost of documentation - Re: Somepracticalquestionsreguarding the Monopoly game

2013-12-12 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi: Lol! Yes, fingers are better than ears when playing guitars and pianos too. Regarding basic proofreading and editing no matter what screen reader certain things should be obvious when a word sounds wrong, it runs on without pausing, etc it is easy enough to find and correct such errors just b

Re: [Audyssey] the cost of documentation - Re: Somepracticalquestionsreguarding the Monopoly game

2013-12-12 Thread Charles Rivard
From: "dark" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] the cost of documentation - Re: Somepracticalquestionsreguarding the Monopoly game Hi Tom. This is why I said braille display technology needs to catch up, in both

Re: [Audyssey] the cost of documentation - Re: Somepracticalquestionsreguarding the Monopoly game

2013-12-12 Thread dark
Hi Tom. All that is true, indeed I remember in secondary school having regular arguements with the school librarian (rather like Madam pince in Harry potter), who stated that a person could only have 3 books out at a time, irrispective that the three books I wanted out were three volumes

Re: [Audyssey] the cost of documentation - Re: Somepracticalquestionsreguarding the Monopoly game

2013-12-12 Thread Charles Rivard
AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] the cost of documentation - Re: Somepracticalquestionsreguarding the Monopoly game I also would like to give my opinion: For me when we talk about braille we now adays have to include Braille as a whole language both for paper and electronic braille displays. For me Braill

Re: [Audyssey] the cost of documentation - Re: Somepracticalquestionsreguarding the Monopoly game

2013-12-12 Thread dark
Hi charlse. I'm just wondering about some of these catagorical statements you make. For example "Why use a device to read labels when braille works better?" how is braille labelling better exactly? Using the pen friend I can record labels as long as I like. if I want a label saying "indiana

Re: [Audyssey] the cost of documentation - Re: Somepracticalquestionsreguarding the Monopoly game

2013-12-12 Thread dark
Hi George. As a professional musician and singer myself I personally disagree entirely about braille music, but that is not an arguement to have here. Regarding braille display and writing, given the choice between a synth voice are a braille display, for speed and convenience I'd probably re

Re: [Audyssey] the cost of documentation - Re: Somepracticalquestionsreguarding the Monopoly game

2013-12-12 Thread Charles Rivard
that feedback. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey]

Re: [Audyssey] the cost of documentation - Re: Somepracticalquestionsreguarding the Monopoly game

2013-12-12 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Jorge: I think you have hit upon the one issue that we can agree upon. While braille use is gradually being replaced by other technical alternatives it is still the only way to truly pass on literacy to a blind person. I know that on this and other blind related list the literacy of the blind l

Re: [Audyssey] the cost of documentation - Re: Somepracticalquestionsreguarding the Monopoly game

2013-12-12 Thread Charles Rivard
al Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 4:21 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] the cost of documentation - Re: Somepracticalquestionsreguarding the Monopoly game Hi Charles: In the words of the Borg, "braille is irrele

Re: [Audyssey] the cost of documentation - Re: Somepracticalquestionsreguarding the Monopoly game

2013-12-12 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Dark: My point exactly. Comparing braille to print is clearly unequal as what can be a pocket sized handbook for the sighted person takes several huge volumes in braille for a blind person. What I want as an end user is the same portability, same space requirements, and same ability to look thi

Re: [Audyssey] the cost of documentation - Re: Somepracticalquestionsreguarding the Monopoly game

2013-12-12 Thread amanda burt
agreed. I couldn't store any braille books in my bedsit. Amanda -- From: "Thomas Ward" Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 10:21 AM To: "Gamers Discussion list" Subject: Re: [Audyssey] the c

Re: [Audyssey] the cost of documentation - Re: Somepracticalquestionsreguarding the Monopoly game

2013-12-12 Thread Jorge Gonçalves
I also would like to give my opinion: For me when we talk about braille we now adays have to include Braille as a whole language both for paper and electronic braille displays. For me Braille is literacy and can never be replaced. The blind person should be able to write and read like everyone e

Re: [Audyssey] the cost of documentation - Re: Somepracticalquestionsreguarding the Monopoly game

2013-12-12 Thread dark
I think the best example of braille size was my schools copy of the pocket dictionary in braille. Bare in mind the phrase "pocket dictionary" a book which all the other kids doing english were lent a copy of and which was, as the name implies pocket sized. The braille version was 18 vol

Re: [Audyssey] the cost of documentation - Re: Somepracticalquestionsreguarding the Monopoly game

2013-12-12 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Charles: In the words of the Borg, "braille is irrelevant." Lol! Seriously, though, you have a point. If the technology fails a person who was totally dependent on it would be sunk. However, using braille is still none-the-less an impractical method of reading and writing, because it is imposs

Re: [Audyssey] the cost of documentation - Re: Somepracticalquestionsreguarding the Monopoly game

2013-12-11 Thread Charles Rivard
" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] the cost of documentation - Re: Somepracticalquestionsreguarding the Monopoly game Hi Tom. I could see a braille revival if the technology to produce it ever catches up with speech

Re: [Audyssey] the cost of documentation - Re: Somepracticalquestionsreguarding the Monopoly game

2013-12-11 Thread Charles Rivard
Wednesday, December 11, 2013 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] the cost of documentation - Re: Somepracticalquestionsreguarding the Monopoly game Or indeed not actually tom. I have been blind all my life (or at least registered blind in the Uk), I did learn braille before the first day of sc