Re: gEDA-user: revert vs reload

2011-09-05 Thread Steven Michalske
On Sep 5, 2011, at 9:34 AM, DJ Delorie wrote: I'm also planning on implementing the same behavior in gschem which currently depends on GTK 2.10. Any arguments to upping this to 2.18 too? Even the Windows builds use 2.20. I'd say, bump configure.ac to need 2.18 - and do nothing else -

Re: gEDA-user: revert vs reload

2011-09-05 Thread Steven Michalske
On Sep 5, 2011, at 10:49 AM, Peter Clifton wrote: On Mon, 2011-09-05 at 10:38 -0700, Steven Michalske wrote: On Sep 5, 2011, at 9:34 AM, DJ Delorie wrote: Er, what gtk do the Mac builds use? Macports is at 2.24.5 Fink is at 2.18.9 Homebrew is at 2.24.6 Do you happen to know

Re: gEDA-user: Fwd: Re: [OH Updates] How can you help solve the proprietary tool problem?

2011-09-02 Thread Steven Michalske
I rarely see my own posts, I turned on post acks. On Sep 2, 2011, at 12:45 PM, Bob Paddock graceindustr...@gmail.com wrote: Just for the record, I'm not sure what our moderation policy is. Are any of your posts being rejected by moderation? (If so - just what kind of emails are you

Re: gEDA-user: Fwd: Re: [OH Updates] How can you help solve the proprietary tool problem?

2011-09-02 Thread Steven Michalske
On Sep 2, 2011, at 12:45 PM, Colin D Bennett co...@gibibit.com wrote: On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 10:18:20 -0500 John Griessen j...@ecosensory.com wrote: Does the category low end bother you? Well, I think low-end is not very specific in reality. Does gEDA really belong in the category of

Re: gEDA-user: gschem vs. PCB diode pin numbering

2011-08-24 Thread Steven Michalske
On Aug 24, 2011, at 5:21 AM, Ethan Swint wrote: On 08/23/2011 08:47 PM, Matthew Lewis wrote: I was double checking a pcb layout today and I discovered a rather nasty gotcha. It seems that gschem and PCB don't agree on which end of a diode should be pin 1. Gschem views pin 1 as the anode

Re: gEDA-user: pcb HID GUI options: gtk, lesstif?

2011-08-23 Thread Steven Michalske
On Aug 23, 2011, at 5:14 PM, Peter Clifton wrote: On Tue, 2011-08-23 at 16:06 -0400, Mark Anderson wrote: I'm still planning on an OSX Cocoa HID. I haven't gotten very far, but I do have the very, very beginning. If any one else is interested, let me know. I'd like to do the same for

Re: gEDA-user: Layer button backgrounds

2011-08-17 Thread Steven Michalske
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 7:00 PM, Andrew Poelstra as...@sfu.ca wrote: Hey all, I am working on moving the Gtk layer-selector into its own widget (see bug 699482, for example), and cleaning up the code. A question I have for the group is: why are the backgrounds of the layer buttons in

Re: gEDA-user: Layer button backgrounds

2011-08-17 Thread Steven Michalske
On Aug 18, 2011, at 12:52 AM, Andrew Poelstra as...@sfu.ca wrote: On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 12:08:34AM +0200, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: This advantage wears off as the user uses the feature more often. Using layers is very basic to PCB. Typical use switches layers very often in a session.

Re: gEDA-user: PCB opengl?

2011-08-13 Thread Steven Michalske
On Aug 13, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote: There is also the 3D board view stuff and SpaceNavigator 6-DOF controller support, which has not made it to git HEAD. Please make sure this is properly protected in an autoconfig option. I have to apply a patch to rip it

Re: gEDA-user: Linux Desktop für gEDA

2011-08-05 Thread Steven Michalske
On Aug 5, 2011, at 11:21 AM, Josh Jordan wrote: I've had the same trouble with recent ubuntu release looking like osx. Debian sounds like a good alternative to ubuntu even without the window manager issues. Does anyone use geda on osx? I have given osx a good try and found it

Re: gEDA-user: Power relay question

2011-08-03 Thread Steven Michalske
Agreed. The majority of my parts come from curbside salvage, I've yet to find any programmers in the trash, but maybe someday I will? I have found some in the trash. For old Cypress chips, and I think some 8051s But who needs programmers when chips have USB mass storage and RS-232 bootloaders.

Re: gEDA-user: Design Nark

2011-07-19 Thread Steven Michalske
On Jul 19, 2011, at 10:59 AM, John Doty j...@noqsi.com wrote: On Jul 19, 2011, at 11:53 AM, Josh Jordan wrote: We could spite them by implementing all of their features. Shudder. A powerful toolkit should not be copying features from consumer software. We can do better. :-).

Re: gEDA-user: Design Nark

2011-07-19 Thread Steven Michalske
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 11:24 AM, John Doty j...@noqsi.com wrote: On Jul 19, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Steven Michalske wrote: We can do better. :-). On a side note Are there features that would be nice to have? It would be nice to *remove* features like hierarchy expansion and slotting, while

Re: gEDA-user: verilog - gschem

2011-07-08 Thread Steven Michalske
Will the gentlest backend for verilog accept symbols with the source attribute set, like hierarchy symbols, but making them point to Verilog source not a sch source? Steve On Jul 8, 2011, at 1:29 PM, fr...@frankthomson.net wrote: Original Message Subject: Re: gEDA-user:

Re: gEDA-user: gschem saving symbols

2011-06-16 Thread Steven Michalske
On Jun 16, 2011, at 9:37 PM, Colin D Bennett co...@gibibit.com wrote: On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 20:55:57 -0700 (PDT) Josh Jordan outerspacema...@yahoo.com wrote: I could implement a save-symbol-as capability. Can anyone familiar with gschem code outline a 'right' way to this? Should I add

Re: gEDA-user: Water proof panel connectors

2011-06-08 Thread Steven Michalske
Looking at connectors for this in the past has lead me to circular connectors. A search on digikey brings up a selection matrix including ingress protection. If your going to be connecting and disconnecting this alot, look into push pull circular connectors. Lemo makes really nice ones.

Re: gEDA-user: Jumpers on single layer PCBs

2011-05-31 Thread Steven Michalske
Can you still get single sided FR2? On May 31, 2011, at 2:26 PM, Thomas Oldbury toldb...@gmail.com wrote: Double sided boards are great, but not so great when the product is supposed to cost only $3/each, after an MSP430, mains power supply, heatsink, triac etc. On 31 May 2011

Re: gEDA-user: gnetlist (was: Perl)

2011-05-30 Thread Steven Michalske
I was thinking of how to represent all of the connections and relationships. Then thought of sqlite3, as a database of connections. a table of symbols, a table of pins This table maps the pins to a net and a symbol. a table of nets This is a rather simple database, of connections. To

Re: gEDA-user: chip data directories in a library ( library packages )

2011-05-22 Thread Steven Michalske
On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 7:53 PM, John Griessen j...@ecosensory.com wrote: On 05/21/2011 08:09 AM, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: The notion of packages can be seen as a means to isolate dependencies. Pins in symbols must match pins in footprints. Simulation models are specific to components.

Re: gEDA-user: Solving the light/heavy symbol problem

2011-05-20 Thread Steven Michalske
Metadata can be a parallel task. In gschem you pick your resistor. You have two buttons, place lite, place heavy. Place heavy brings up a second wizard to populate the heavy symbol, probably from your database. Then place your symbol. In pcb, when you import a schematic. Any parts

Re: gEDA-user: Reinventing the wheel

2011-05-16 Thread Steven Michalske
On May 16, 2011, at 10:21 AM, DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote: Why not start with the existing tools and just rewrite the parts you're interested in? License? True. One of the benefits of the GPL is that people can bsae their work off existing work, but not everyone wants to

Re: gEDA-user: Reinventing the wheel

2011-05-16 Thread Steven Michalske
On May 16, 2011, at 2:45 PM, DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote: Biggest determent to the open source is now GPLv3 OT here, since our stuff is still GPLv2 Sorry for the OT bit, but v2 got a black eye from v3, commercially that is. I know of two companies shying away from all

Re: gEDA-user: Reinventing the wheel

2011-05-16 Thread Steven Michalske
On May 16, 2011, at 4:25 PM, al davis ad...@freeelectron.net wrote: On Monday 16 May 2011, Steven Michalske wrote: But lawyers can use that clause as a loophole to invalidate legitimate patents. Minor side effect of lawyers can use that clause as a loophole to invalidate ILLegitimate

Re: gEDA-user: Reinventing the wheel

2011-05-16 Thread Steven Michalske
On May 16, 2011, at 4:30 PM, Kai-Martin Knaak k...@lilalaser.de wrote: Steven Michalske wrote: In a perfect world this would not be an issue. But lawyers can use that clause as a loophole to invalidate legitimate patents. The notion of software patents is by no means obvious

Re: gEDA-user: Reinventing the wheel

2011-05-16 Thread Steven Michalske
hit send too soon On May 16, 2011, at 4:30 PM, Kai-Martin Knaak k...@lilalaser.de wrote: Steven Michalske wrote: In a perfect world this would not be an issue. But lawyers can use that clause as a loophole to invalidate legitimate patents. The notion of software patents

Re: gEDA-user: GL not found compiling pcb on OS X

2011-05-04 Thread Steven Michalske
I have a recipe, I'll send on over when I get to my computer. On May 4, 2011, at 4:16 AM, Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote: On Wed, 2011-05-04 at 05:23 -0500, Craig Niederberger wrote: Does anyone have experience compiling PCB on OS X? I've been able to do it in the past, but am now

Re: gEDA-user: Can i use geda for electric indoor installation?

2011-05-01 Thread Steven Michalske
One part you will be missing is routing of the true wires. So if your expecting it to make a list of the wires lengths for you you would need to integrate it into a 3D mechanical cad package too. Steve ___ geda-user mailing list

Re: gEDA-user: Origami Flex Circuits Take Shape at All Flex

2011-04-22 Thread Steven Michalske
On Apr 22, 2011, at 9:28 AM, Andrew Miner zmi...@gmail.com wrote: /*xx I'm going to go out on a limb and state that I refuse to support non-flat layers :-) [1]http://www.allflexinc.com/origamiflex.shtml Supported or not these things are

Re: gEDA-user: RFC using SVG with semantic markup as an EDA format

2011-04-11 Thread Steven Michalske
This is what I see as a benefit. If you go to a vendor's website you will find one or two EDA footprint and symbol files. But nothing that was a bell ringer for commonality. It would be nice to have a universal starting point. There is EDIF but I see EDIF as not being so useful, i think they

Re: gEDA-user: OFF: capacitors for RF power amplifier

2011-04-11 Thread Steven Michalske
http://www.avx.com/SpiApps/default.asp Some cool capacitor tools, like spicap3 Steve On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 11:19 PM, Kovacs Levente leventel...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 11 Apr 2011 16:58:37 +0200 Uwe Bonnes b...@elektron.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de wrote: What value do you need? Try

Re: gEDA-user: RFC using SVG with semantic markup as an EDA format

2011-04-11 Thread Steven Michalske
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 12:28 AM, Stefan Salewski m...@ssalewski.de wrote: On Mon, 2011-04-11 at 23:18 +0800, Steven Michalske wrote: This is what I see as a benefit. If you go to a vendor's website you will find one or two EDA footprint and symbol files.  But nothing that was a bell ringer

Re: gEDA-user: default pcb stackup change?

2011-04-11 Thread Steven Michalske
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 11:35 PM, DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote: Now we just need to figure out how to enforce it :-) With a stick! ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: RFC using SVG with semantic markup as an EDA format

2011-04-11 Thread Steven Michalske
On Apr 12, 2011, at 2:55 AM, Kai-Martin Knaak kn...@iqo.uni-hannover.de wrote: Peter Clifton wrote: TBH, I've not seen SVG anywhere on the main-stream internet. Wikipedia prefers SVG for anything that is not a photograph. The servers render SVG graphics to PNG as needed before

Re: gEDA-user: Attribute Net (without pin assignment) - for Power and Port Symbols

2011-04-11 Thread Steven Michalske
Snip. I agree that we should not special case it. I would prefer varibles that refered to other attributes. This example: value = 3v3 net = $value:1 where the default scope is the local symbol and no lookups to higher scopes. A resistor divider: R1 Value= 1000 R2 Value =

Re: gEDA-user: RFC using SVG with semantic markup as an EDA format

2011-04-10 Thread Steven Michalske
On Apr 11, 2011, at 8:51 AM, Peter Clifton [1]pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote: On Sun, 2011-04-10 at 21:55 +0100, Andrew Seddon wrote: I am exploring the idea of using the Scalable Vector Graphics standard as an EDA format. [2]https://github.com/seddona/svgparts Would be

Re: gEDA-user: default pcb stackup change?

2011-04-10 Thread Steven Michalske
Pci cards call them A and B sides. But that too is odd. It seems that, like it or not, top and bottom are the industry standard. On Apr 11, 2011, at 11:24 AM, John Griessen j...@ecosensory.com wrote: On 04/10/2011 08:26 PM, Bob Paddock wrote: Sometimes the outer layers are called

Re: gEDA-user: Split ground planes and zero ohm jumpers

2011-04-08 Thread Steven Michalske
On Apr 8, 2011, at 1:13 AM, Stephan Boettcher boettc...@physik.uni-kiel.de wrote: rickman gnuarm.g...@arius.com writes: I have to say I am philosophically opposed to any feature that allows a design to pass DRC when the layout differs from the schematic. Just to get the

Re: gEDA-user: Split ground planes and zero ohm jumpers

2011-04-08 Thread Steven Michalske
In theory, we could support that flag in *any* object, but I'm not sure how to manage the relationship between, say, a non-net trace on an inner plane and the schematic/netlist.  I asked someone who used a BigName EDA package how they did it, and they had a completely different class of

Re: gEDA-user: SC70-6, which is pin 1?

2011-04-01 Thread Steven Michalske
On Apr 2, 2011, at 12:35 AM, yamazakir2 yamazak...@gmail.com wrote: The datasheet is pretty ambiguous, take a look and let me know what you guys think: http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/sn74lvc1g3157.pdf Page 1 and 18 show dip ordering. And the index mark refers to the bar on the

Re: gEDA-user: General Layers questions

2011-03-19 Thread Steven Michalske
On Mar 18, 2011, at 2:19 PM, DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote: I don't want to end up with the current state that some 'specialy named' layers receive special treatment. From a practical standpoint, I think it makes sense to have a fast way to scan for layers of some high-level

Re: gEDA-user: General Layers questions

2011-03-19 Thread Steven Michalske
On Mar 18, 2011, at 3:07 PM, DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote: That's the kind of top down design that produces a tool that meets today's requirements in the minimum amount of time, but produces an inflexible tool limited to those requirements. And your kind of bottom-up design

Re: gEDA-user: General Layers questions

2011-03-19 Thread Steven Michalske
On Mar 18, 2011, at 3:22 PM, Stephan Boettcher boettc...@physik.uni-kiel.de wrote: DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com writes: ... I think the tool we have is pretty good already. Very good. Thanks! The tool we have already is nearly impossible to maintain, though. Please do not expect

Re: gEDA-user: General Layers questions

2011-03-19 Thread Steven Michalske
On Mar 18, 2011, at 3:43 PM, DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote: I expect the plugin mechanism to be the way to write *all* the core bits, though. The more important it is, that what is below the plugin mechanism is as general as necessary, and since that is difficult to judge up

Re: gEDA-user: General Layers questions

2011-03-19 Thread Steven Michalske
On Mar 18, 2011, at 4:02 PM, DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote: Except gerbers have special cases for thermals and pads, for example. So there need to be attributes on shapes. No, the exporters really need to have access to the whole collection of shapes that means pin so they can

Re: gEDA-user: General Layers questions

2011-03-19 Thread Steven Michalske
On Mar 18, 2011, at 4:17 PM, Stephan Boettcher boettc...@physik.uni-kiel.de wrote: DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com writes: I expect the plugin mechanism to be the way to write *all* the core bits, though. The more important it is, that what is below the plugin mechanism is as general

Re: gEDA-user: General Layers questions

2011-03-19 Thread Steven Michalske
On Mar 18, 2011, at 4:37 PM, DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote: Still, I do not see a need for outline layers anywhere, except as an attribute on a graphical layer that tells an exporter where to stop drawing. Hmmm... so you think PCB should let the user place an element in a

Re: gEDA-user: General Layers questions

2011-03-19 Thread Steven Michalske
On Mar 18, 2011, at 4:39 PM, DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote: It is the exporter's job to understand drilling. For geometry capture, all you need to know is the shape. Modules with no need to know should not know. The autorouter needs to know not to run traces across unplated

Re: gEDA-user: General Layers questions

2011-03-19 Thread Steven Michalske
This message makes me think that COW should remember what master it was copied from and an edited flag. On Mar 18, 2011, at 5:16 PM, Stephan Boettcher boettc...@physik.uni-kiel.de wrote: DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com writes: Except gerbers have special cases for thermals and pads, for

Re: gEDA-user: General Layers questions

2011-03-19 Thread Steven Michalske
On Mar 19, 2011, at 8:13 AM, John Doty j...@noqsi.com wrote: On Mar 19, 2011, at 4:57 AM, Markus Hitter wrote: BTW., there were electronic circuitries before PCBs were invented and the future of electronics manufacturing is most likely something three-dimensional, arbitrarily

Re: gEDA-user: General Layers questions

2011-03-19 Thread Steven Michalske
On Mar 19, 2011, at 9:50 AM, Martin Kupec martin.ku...@kupson.cz wrote: On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 10:14:54AM -0600, John Doty wrote: On Mar 18, 2011, at 2:23 PM, Martin Kupec wrote: If layers types would be defined by attributes, someone would be able to declare one layer both as

Re: gEDA-user: General Layers questions

2011-03-19 Thread Steven Michalske
On Mar 19, 2011, at 12:33 PM, John Doty j...@noqsi.com wrote: On Mar 19, 2011, at 1:20 PM, Steven Michalske wrote: This is what bothers me about a hole layer, un plated vs plated, the holes do not define electrical contact, the plating does. Or, rivits, or the soldered wires

Re: gEDA-user: Multi-Select with SHIFT, CTRL...

2011-03-19 Thread Steven Michalske
On Mar 18, 2011, at 4:41 PM, Stefan Salewski m...@ssalewski.de wrote: On Fri, 2011-03-18 at 19:17 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: shift-leftclick on object Don't forget about select-region, select-touching, select-touching-line, etc. I guess that is not too common in schematics? Here

Re: gEDA-user: Multi-Select with SHIFT, CTRL...

2011-03-19 Thread Steven Michalske
On Mar 19, 2011, at 2:38 PM, Stefan Salewski m...@ssalewski.de wrote: On Sat, 2011-03-19 at 13:14 -0700, Steven Michalske wrote: Scroll wheel: rotate selection or element under mouse pointer If nothing is selected and mouse pointer is over unpopulated area or SHIFT modifier is used

Re: gEDA-user: General Layers questions

2011-03-18 Thread Steven Michalske
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:52 PM, John Doty j...@noqsi.com wrote: On Mar 18, 2011, at 1:44 PM, Martin Kupec wrote: Generaly you are proposing that there should be a special type of footpring called 'via' and it should receive extra care. Why single out via and footprint when they are merely

Re: gEDA-user: General Layers questions

2011-03-18 Thread Steven Michalske
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:53 PM, DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote: Why single out via and footprint when they are merely members of an open-ended list of possible composite objects? Because a tool that doesn't deal with real-world concepts in a user-friendly way is unusable. User

Re: gEDA-user: General Layers questions

2011-03-18 Thread Steven Michalske
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 1:08 PM, DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote: I agree here, that a via and a footprint are essentially the same thing. Except the user doesn't interact with them the same way. This is a UI representation, not a layer geometry issue. A via tool that makes the proper

Re: gEDA-user: General Layers questions

2011-03-18 Thread Steven Michalske
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Martin Kupec martin.ku...@kupson.cz wrote: On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:36:24AM -0600, John Doty wrote: On Mar 16, 2011, at 4:24 AM, Stephan Boettcher wrote: Ok. So via should be a circle element on hole typed layer. No.  A Via is a composit, consisting of

Re: gEDA-user: General Layers questions

2011-03-18 Thread Steven Michalske
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Stephan Boettcher boettc...@physik.uni-kiel.de wrote: DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com writes: Why single out via and footprint when they are merely members of an open-ended list of possible composite objects? Because a tool that doesn't deal with real-world

Re: gEDA-user: General Layers questions

2011-03-18 Thread Steven Michalske
On Mar 18, 2011, at 1:32 PM, DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote: But at the core, they work all just the same. The core includes the autorouters, optimizers, DRC, exporters, reports, and even simple editing - we have a hide vias button. How does that work if you no longer have vias

Re: gEDA-user: General Layers questions

2011-03-16 Thread Steven Michalske
As for mask and paste layers, we may want to have a way for an object in one layer be a transformed version of another layer. Example, clearing solder mask for a line, or pad, or whatever would create a linked object in the adjacent mask layer with a growth in size of size X. Where X can be 10%

Re: gEDA-user: General Layers questions

2011-03-16 Thread Steven Michalske
Looking at the layers I would like to propose that the copper layer be made not specific to copper, but a conductor. Some common alternatives are silver ink traces, embedded resistors, or even more exotics like ITO (used for touch screens). For the footprints, They should have a routing keepout,

Re: gEDA-user: PCB very slow on new laptop

2011-03-12 Thread Steven Michalske
Can you up the ram available to the graphics? I recall that had a large impact on performance in prior Email threads. Steve On Mar 12, 2011, at 4:07 PM, Thomas Oldbury toldb...@gmail.com wrote: I have recently got a new laptop, a Lenovo ThinkPad X201. However, I'm having a rather

Re: gEDA-user: automatic pon button

2011-03-10 Thread Steven Michalske
relays and computers http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3wPBcmSb2U On Mar 10, 2011, at 2:52 PM, Joe Chisolm - Gmail wrote: On 03/10/2011 04:10 PM, Karl Hammar wrote: Balogh: http://www.robotika.sk/projects/virtuallab/atxswitch/images/ATXswitch.png I see, you press the button as soon

Re: gEDA-user: Google Summer of Code 2011

2011-03-05 Thread Steven Michalske
PCB supports polygons. Filled paths yield a polygon. and PCB can cope with outputting to RS-274X The point is that I wanted something not PCB centric. RS-274X can support polygons as well, it is RS-274D that can't and must be vector filled (painted). But footprint to RS-274X translation is

Re: gEDA-user: Google Summer of Code 2011

2011-03-05 Thread Steven Michalske
At work we use odb++ valor files. But I would not suggest removing gerber file exports. Every board house understands them. Steve On Mar 6, 2011, at 9:11 AM, John Griessen j...@ecosensory.com wrote: On 03/05/2011 02:41 PM, Markus Hitter wrote: it might be less work to replace or

Re: gEDA-user: Google Summer of Code 2011

2011-03-04 Thread Steven Michalske
On Mar 5, 2011, at 5:55 AM, John Griessen j...@ecosensory.com wrote: On 03/02/2011 06:49 AM, Stefan Tauner wrote: my idea is some combination of the existing propsals: - Gschem parts manager or parts database (glue) - IPC Footprint Calculator (pcb) and my own idea: a stand-alone pcb

Re: gEDA-user: Please test new grids for GTK PCB

2011-02-28 Thread Steven Michalske
Steven Michalske wrote: Did not apply cleanly against git head at 359a02cfe25e32aec7d2985c8f368fbfdcd954fa Sorry i can't get it, but i check patch for errors on latest git tree available on time of post. (p.s. i'm too novice in git, can you give me exactly commands to set git head to your

Re: gEDA-user: General Layers questions

2011-02-24 Thread Steven Michalske
On Feb 24, 2011, at 7:39 PM, Kai-Martin Knaak k...@lilalaser.de wrote: Colin D Bennett wrote: ^__ Properties of the view, not the underlying data - I'd prefer to abstract this to the renderer. I agree that color does not belong in the layout file. I may keep changing my preferences

Re: gEDA-user: Metric, Imperial, Rounding, DRC, and board houses

2011-02-21 Thread Steven Michalske
I use mil grids, as many boards houses expect mil units, like yours. PCB layout is engineering, engineering involves tolerances... I start my traces from off grid components so that the stub going from the pin/pad is off grid byt quickly becomes on grid after the first 45 degree bend. Steve

Re: gEDA-user: PCB+GL instructions

2011-02-20 Thread Steven Michalske
Safari and Firefox, on OS X is quite fast, nice smooth scrolling. Steve On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 6:59 PM, Felipe De la Puente Christen fdelapue...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 2011-02-21 at 03:32 +0100, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: Ethan Swint wrote: I was expecting just to get back git clone -o

Re: gEDA-user: polygon regression in pcb+gl

2011-02-20 Thread Steven Michalske
Woo Hoo! ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: OT: High Temperature Connector

2011-02-12 Thread Steven Michalske
What about just soldering the wires? On Feb 12, 2011, at 12:52 PM, John Luciani jluci...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks to everyone for the suggestions. The Phoenix style are a bit too tall. The Omnetics are too expensive but the Omnetics site did mention the materials that the 125degC and

Re: gEDA-user: OT: High Temperature Connector

2011-02-12 Thread Steven Michalske
Or 1/4 inch quick disconnects. On Feb 12, 2011, at 12:52 PM, John Luciani jluci...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks to everyone for the suggestions. The Phoenix style are a bit too tall. The Omnetics are too expensive but the Omnetics site did mention the materials that the 125degC and 200degC

Re: gEDA-user: OT: High Temperature Connector

2011-02-11 Thread Steven Michalske
Might look into Phoenix contact and their reflow capable parts. On Feb 11, 2011, at 6:30 PM, John Luciani jluci...@gmail.com wrote: I am looking for a low profile wire to board connector - either two contacts 5A per contact or four contacts 2.5A per contact. I need a temperature rating of

Re: gEDA-user: Status of gEDA - gschm, pcb?

2011-02-10 Thread Steven Michalske
On Feb 10, 2011, at 10:09 AM, three_jeeps jjhu...@gmail.com wrote: Hello: I am considering using gEDA suite to do some design. Is the tool suite currently actively supported and worked on? Based on google searches, very little traffic wrt the suite has occurred over the last 2-3 years.

Re: gEDA-user: Soldering iron tip turns black

2011-02-04 Thread Steven Michalske
Some tips about tips. Remember to always store your iron tips with a ball of solder on them, this helps prevent the tip from corroding in storage. Don't wipe the tip before putting it back in the holder, your wipes on the moist sponge should be when you take the tip out of the holder. Again

Re: gEDA-user: Soldering minute smt

2011-01-28 Thread Steven Michalske
A good pair of tweezers works for me. note a good pair, not garden variety, I curse when I get to a lab that has bad/cheap tweezers. http://www.techni-toolcatalog.com/lg_display.cfm/catalog/128/page/243 I have a set of their ceramic tipped tweezers that are fantastic. Steve On Fri, Jan 28,

Re: gEDA-user: Soldering minute smt

2011-01-27 Thread Steven Michalske
I can't say enough about using flux for soldering. I often use the no clean flux with a metal tip dispenser. like mouser 577-SF-01 Although it seems that if you don't want to buy a gallon of liquid flux your getting a pen, which I dislike over the dispenser. It is a matter of taste. The other

Re: gEDA-user: gschem: directly connecting two nets?

2011-01-23 Thread Steven Michalske
On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 6:30 PM, John Doty j...@noqsi.com wrote: On Jan 24, 2011, at 5:51 AM, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: Stephan Boettcher wrote: You need to invent some 2-pin symbol with some special attributes, and teach the pcb gnetlist backend(s) to interpret those attributes              

Re: gEDA-user: Soft and Hard symbols

2011-01-19 Thread Steven Michalske
Dj you own a tool box, I've seen you build mechanical things. gEDA is a toolkit (toolbox), with your logic gnu unix is a tool. If I want to clean up the cylinder an engine block I get out an engine block hone, I do not get out a wire brush. Now in gEDA terms. When you want to edit a schematic,

Re: gEDA-user: Soft and Hard symbols

2011-01-19 Thread Steven Michalske
On Jan 19, 2011, at 12:10 PM, DJ Delorie [1]d...@delorie.com wrote: gEDA is a toolkit (toolbox), with your logic gnu unix is a tool. gEDA is more like a design suite, a collection of tools and related stuff. And before you said it was a tool. Not the computer science

Re: gEDA-user: Bugs, warts and feature requests (5)

2011-01-11 Thread Steven Michalske
On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 4:03 PM, Kai-Martin Knaak kn...@iqo.uni-hannover.de wrote: • gerbv feature request: Add a view mode that shows only the difference of two layers. This would be handy when I have to asses the changes that I made to an existing design. Make the layers XOR logically but

Re: gEDA-user: Bug triage

2011-01-09 Thread Steven Michalske
Maybe we are targetting the wrong OS ;-( Nope, I like my mac os install, and engineering colleges are seeing a large uptick in mac usage in colleges. It is a perk to have a computer that can OS X, Linux, and Windows. Maybe the unofficial windows ports are more important than we think ;-)

Re: gEDA-user: European symbols?

2011-01-02 Thread Steven Michalske
On Jan 2, 2011, at 11:12 AM, Johnny Rosenberg gurus.knu...@gmail.com wrote: Den 2011-01-02 13:13:55 skrev kai-martin knaak k...@familieknaak.de: Johnny Rosenberg wrote: I didn't add or modify any invisible text except those very unnecessary (?) author- and license lines. I guess I

Re: gEDA-user: Resistor values…

2010-12-29 Thread Steven Michalske
Setting it to zero by default could even be used to signal Gschem to add an extra highlight to those symbols bearing it. Yuck. Keep tools simple and clean. Agreed, but if you wanted a DRC highlighter, a ? highlighted would be a great thing to highlight.

Re: gEDA-user: Resistor values…

2010-12-29 Thread Steven Michalske
On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 3:56 AM, Vanessa Ezekowitz vanessaezekow...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 23:55:04 -0500 al davis ad...@freeelectron.net wrote: On Saturday 25 December 2010, Vanessa Ezekowitz wrote: * If the part in question can usually be described by a single value, for

Re: gEDA-user: Working on a tiny schematics editor

2010-12-27 Thread Steven Michalske
On Dec 26, 2010, at 5:41 PM, Stephan Boettcher boettc...@physik.uni-kiel.de wrote: Stefan Salewski m...@ssalewski.de writes: OK, shame on me for missing that option. But I do not think that this really proves that a gschem rewrite is obsolete. I may believe that writing a second

Re: gEDA-user: Resistor values…

2010-12-25 Thread Steven Michalske
I see the need for something akin to a preferred default positioning, where when a symbol is rotated there is a place where your prefer your attributes to be placed. Have geschem do the auto place template not part of the symbols at all Steve On Dec 25, 2010, at 4:48 PM, John Doty

Re: gEDA-user: rotate refdes in pcb?

2010-12-25 Thread Steven Michalske
There used to be a bug in older versions of pcb where you had to move the component before you could manipulate the refdes. This also was helped by a save and reopen of the pcb file. On Dec 25, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Frank fhri...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I've tried everything I can think of

Re: gEDA-user: PCB: Rotating components in 45 degree

2010-12-18 Thread Steven Michalske
See FAQ for pcb On Dec 18, 2010, at 12:01 PM, jeffrey antony jeffrey_ant...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello, Is there a functionality in PCB to rotate a component in 45 degree instead of 90 degree which is available at present? Thanks and Best Regards Jeffrey W:

Re: gEDA-user: Clearance in fiducials blocking solder paste

2010-12-05 Thread Steven Michalske
This is in the silkscreen of the footprint. Steve On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Markus Hitter m...@jump-ing.de wrote: Am 05.12.2010 um 18:54 schrieb John Luciani: Arcs aren't allowed in footprints. D'oh. Neither me nor my copy of PCB knew that so this rectangle with rounded corners

Re: gEDA-user: Toporouter VERY slow?

2010-12-05 Thread Steven Michalske
Anthony, I look forward to your hard work, it is very impressive, and reminds me of the layouts from years ago, where they were taped out and pretty. None of this manhattan grid. I know that Adding via's are non trivial for an auto router, with your topological auto router, will it use a via

Re: gEDA-user: mirrored footprint

2010-11-26 Thread Steven Michalske
On Nov 26, 2010, at 5:06 AM, Rick Collins gnuarm.2...@arius.com wrote: At 05:05 PM 11/25/2010, you wrote: On Nov 25, 2010, at 4:05 PM, Rick Collins gnuarm.2...@arius.com wrote: At 05:01 AM 11/25/2010, you wrote: I am missing the reason you must mirror the footprints, however.

Re: gEDA-user: mirrored footprint

2010-11-25 Thread Steven Michalske
On Nov 25, 2010, at 11:01 AM, Jan Martinek ho...@dp.fce.vutbr.cz wrote: I am missing the reason you must mirror the footprints, however. Aren't the pins still in the same orientation they would be with the standard footprint? Since your DIP packages are mounted in the normal-side-up

Re: gEDA-user: mirrored footprint

2010-11-25 Thread Steven Michalske
On Nov 25, 2010, at 4:05 PM, Rick Collins gnuarm.2...@arius.com wrote: At 05:01 AM 11/25/2010, you wrote: I am missing the reason you must mirror the footprints, however. Aren't the pins still in the same orientation they would be with the standard footprint? Since your DIP packages are

Re: gEDA-user: PCB+GL Testers (please test)

2010-11-06 Thread Steven Michalske
On local customisiations withthe robo board, with the polygon holes removed. 17 Macbook Pro Model Name: MacBook Pro Model Identifier: MacBookPro6,1 Processor Name: Intel Core i7 Processor Speed: 2.66 GHz with GPU NVIDIA GeForce GT 330M: Chipset Model:NVIDIA

Re: gEDA-user: Ben mode feature request

2010-11-01 Thread Steven Michalske
On Nov 1, 2010, at 9:05 AM, John Doty wrote: Putting a GUI on non-graphical functions *almost always* torques the design away from effective scripting. You can claim this isn't necessarily so, but actual software designers aren't usually smart enough to avoid this trap. Agreed 100% This

Re: gEDA-user: Ben mode feature request

2010-11-01 Thread Steven Michalske
On Nov 1, 2010, at 10:49 AM, John Griessen wrote: On 11/01/2010 11:05 AM, John Doty wrote: Point and click is a seductive time waster*except* for inherently graphical parts of the job. A lot of layout is. Rearranging some sets of files' locations is faster by GUI than by commands,

Re: gEDA-user: Ben mode feature request

2010-11-01 Thread Steven Michalske
On Nov 1, 2010, at 11:46 AM, John Griessen j...@ecosensory.com wrote: On 11/01/2010 01:35 PM, Steven Michalske wrote: I like combining GUI and command line, select the files in the gui and drag to the terminal! Sounds like a trick! Does that work with the GUI program known

Re: gEDA-user: Ben mode feature request

2010-11-01 Thread Steven Michalske
snip everything /snip I think the point John wants to make is that if you only program for a GUI, then you loose the scriptability. I have see this many times in software. Where is you write the GUI first, the scripting is an afterthought. Where as if you write something scriptable in the

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