Re: [DISCUSS] Apache Hadoop 1.0?

2011-11-15 Thread Steve Loughran
On 15/11/11 06:07, Dhruba Borthakur wrote: +1 to making the upcoming 0.23 release as 2.0. +1 And leave the 0.20.20x chain as is, just because people are used to it

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache Hadoop 1.0?

2011-11-15 Thread Todd Lipcon
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 1:57 AM, Steve Loughran ste...@apache.org wrote: On 15/11/11 06:07, Dhruba Borthakur wrote: +1 to making the upcoming 0.23 release as 2.0. +1 And leave the 0.20.20x chain as is, just because people are used to it +1 to Steve's proposal. Renaming 0.20 is too big a

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache Hadoop 1.0?

2011-11-15 Thread Owen O'Malley
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Todd Lipcon t...@cloudera.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 1:57 AM, Steve Loughran ste...@apache.org wrote: On 15/11/11 06:07, Dhruba Borthakur wrote: +1 to making the upcoming 0.23 release as 2.0. +1 And leave the 0.20.20x chain as is, just

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache Hadoop 1.0?

2011-11-15 Thread Ted Dunning
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Owen O'Malley o...@hortonworks.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Todd Lipcon t...@cloudera.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 1:57 AM, Steve Loughran ste...@apache.org wrote: On 15/11/11 06:07, Dhruba Borthakur wrote: +1 to making the

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache Hadoop 1.0?

2011-11-15 Thread Arun C Murthy
I don't see this as 'renaming', I propose we just look forward and make the next release from branch-0.20-security as 1.0 to keep things simple. IMHO, going back to rename existing releases (0.21 etc.) isn't productive. Arun On Nov 15, 2011, at 1:43 PM, Todd Lipcon wrote: On Tue, Nov 15,

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache Hadoop 1.0?

2011-11-15 Thread Luke Lu
+1 on *new* releases from 0.20.2xx branches as 1.x; 0.22 branch as 2.x and 0.23/24 branches as 3.x. On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Arun C Murthy a...@hortonworks.com wrote: I don't see this as 'renaming', I propose we just look forward and make the next release from branch-0.20-security as

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache Hadoop 1.0?

2011-11-15 Thread Doug Cutting
On 11/15/2011 01:43 PM, Todd Lipcon wrote: +1 to Steve's proposal. Renaming 0.20 is too big a pain at this point. Everyone seems to agree that we should rename 0.23 to either 2.0 or 3.0. There are a number of different views about what to do with 0.20, 0.21 and 0.22. So maybe we should proceed

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache Hadoop 1.0?

2011-11-15 Thread Ahmed Radwan
+1 Can we agree to 0.23 - 2.0?  That's consistent with the MR2 nomenclature. Best Regards Ahmed On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Doug Cutting cutt...@apache.org wrote: On 11/15/2011 01:43 PM, Todd Lipcon wrote: +1 to Steve's proposal. Renaming 0.20 is too big a pain at this point. Everyone

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache Hadoop 1.0?

2011-11-15 Thread Eli Collins
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Doug Cutting cutt...@apache.org wrote: On 11/15/2011 01:43 PM, Todd Lipcon wrote: +1 to Steve's proposal. Renaming 0.20 is too big a pain at this point. Everyone seems to agree that we should rename 0.23 to either 2.0 or 3.0.  There are a number of different

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache Hadoop 1.0?

2011-11-15 Thread Doug Cutting
On 11/15/2011 05:49 PM, Eli Collins wrote: Are you suggesting a two part version scheme? Ie 0.23.0 - 2.0 0.23.1 - 2.1 I didn't specify. We could either do that or: 0.23.0 - 2.0.0 0.23.1 - 2.0.1 ... 0.24.0 - 2.1.0 ... I don't care which much. Do you? fwiw I'd map

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache Hadoop 1.0?

2011-11-15 Thread Konstantin Boudnik
I believe it has been advocated a number of times in that thread to release 0.22 as 2.0. Are you suggesting to drop 0.22 out of the picture all together? Any reason for that? Thanks, Cos On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 05:37PM, Doug Cutting wrote: On 11/15/2011 01:43 PM, Todd Lipcon wrote: +1 to

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache Hadoop 1.0?

2011-11-15 Thread Matt Foley
I agree with some prior posters that renaming the 0.20-security sustaining branch could be confusing. How about the following (pseudo-code)? ## Just before we are ready to make rc0 for release 0.20.205.1, do: svn copy branch-0.20-security-205 branch-1.0 ## and actually release it from branch-1.0

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache Hadoop 1.0?

2011-11-15 Thread Konstantin Boudnik
And once again - 0.22 seems to be forgotten for an unexplained reason. I urge to stick to original Arun's proposal and use 0.22 as 2.0 With the correction I like the following proposal. Cos On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 06:42PM, Matt Foley wrote: I agree with some prior posters that renaming the

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache Hadoop 1.0?

2011-11-15 Thread Joe Stein
Consistency between supported branches and releases from trunk in some logical order would be helpful for those outside of the community coming in, labeled however works best for the active community. My 0.235689 cents. /* Joe Stein http://www.medialets.com Twitter: @allthingshadoop */ On Nov

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache Hadoop 1.0?

2011-11-15 Thread Arun Murthy
I think this discussion is getting too wide, can we tease them apart? Do we agree we should call the forthcoming releases off branch-0.20-security as 1.x.x? Let me start a vote for just that. Arun Sent from my iPhone On Nov 15, 2011, at 6:43 PM, Matt Foley mfo...@hortonworks.com wrote: I

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache Hadoop 1.0?

2011-11-15 Thread Arun Murthy
On Nov 15, 2011, at 6:03 PM, Eli Collins e...@cloudera.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Doug Cutting cutt...@apache.org wrote: On 11/15/2011 05:49 PM, Eli Collins wrote: Are you suggesting a two part version scheme? Ie 0.23.0 - 2.0 0.23.1 - 2.1 I didn't specify. We could

[VOTE] Release hadoop-1.x.x off branch-0.20-security

2011-11-15 Thread Arun Murthy
Please vote on naming 'future' releases off branch-0.20-security (with both security append) as hadoop-1.x.x. We should also rename branch-0.20-security as branch-1.x.x. I propose we use the common 3-part major, minor (compatible, newer features) and sub-minor (bug fixes) scheme as suggested by

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache Hadoop 1.0?

2011-11-15 Thread Eli Collins
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 8:14 PM, Arun Murthy a...@hortonworks.com wrote: I think this discussion is getting too wide, can we tease them apart? Do we agree we should call the forthcoming releases off branch-0.20-security as 1.x.x? Let me start a vote for just that. +1 IMO the values of x.x

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache Hadoop 1.0?

2011-11-15 Thread Joe Stein
If trunk releases would then mean 2.x.x then the branch 1x.x ( 0.20.06.0 being 1.6.0) makes total sense +1 (not binding) so the current trunk release = 2.0.0 and the branch release 0.20.206.0 = 1.6.0 speaking from those of us that have 4,000 nodes in our cluster and want to proliferate the

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache Hadoop 1.0?

2011-11-15 Thread Arun Murthy
Eli, Seems to me that trying to 'carry over' numbers from 0.20.2xx would, at best, lead to confusion... similar to folks asking for non-existent 0.20.201/202. I propose we look forward with hadoop-1.0.0 as the supported release with security+append to keep things simple. Thoughts? thanks, Arun

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache Hadoop 1.0?

2011-11-15 Thread Eli Collins
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 9:53 PM, Arun Murthy a...@hortonworks.com wrote: Eli, Seems to me that trying to 'carry over' numbers from 0.20.2xx would, at best, lead to confusion... similar to folks asking for non-existent 0.20.201/202. I propose we look forward with hadoop-1.0.0 as the

Re: [VOTE] Release hadoop-1.x.x off branch-0.20-security

2011-11-15 Thread Eric Baldeschwieler
+1 (non-binding) Let's ship 1.0.0 off 0.20.205.* I think this will be great for the project. Arun, since you called the vote, can you clarify exactly what version of the 20.2xx.x line will be renamed or originally released as exactly what 1.0.x version? It seems like following versions will

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache Hadoop 1.0?

2011-11-15 Thread Scott Carey
On 11/15/11 6:47 PM, Konstantin Boudnik c...@apache.org wrote: And once again - 0.22 seems to be forgotten for an unexplained reason. I urge to stick to original Arun's proposal and use 0.22 as 2.0 With the correction I like the following proposal. If 0.20.20x ends up in the 1.0.x line, then

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache Hadoop 1.0?

2011-11-15 Thread Arun Murthy
Thanks Eli. In keeping with the theme of 'looking ahead' I was thinking of upcoming 0.20.205.1 as 1.0.0. I'll clarify in the voting thread too. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 15, 2011, at 10:13 PM, Eli Collins e...@cloudera.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 9:53 PM, Arun Murthy

Re: [VOTE] Release hadoop-1.x.x off branch-0.20-security

2011-11-15 Thread Arun Murthy
To be specific (both Eli and Eric pointed this) I'd like to clarify that we should call the upcoming 0.20.205.1 as 1.0.0 - this is in keeping with the 'look forward' theme. thanks, Arun On Nov 15, 2011, at 8:22 PM, Arun Murthy a...@hortonworks.com wrote: Please vote on naming 'future'

Re: [VOTE] Release hadoop-1.x.x off branch-0.20-security

2011-11-15 Thread Joe Stein
So, does this mean then any 2.x.x release will have *all* of the features of the 1.x.x ? Anything not in there should be deprecated, right? If not, then it is not really linear as most software projects are providing versions that have new features on top of the support for previous ones. I am

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache Hadoop 1.0?

2011-11-15 Thread Konstantin Shvachko
Consistency of naming the releases is a very valid point and should be the main concern in the decision making. If 0.20.205 is called Hadoop 1, and 0.23 called Hadoop 2, then releasing 0.22 under 0.22 will be confusing. If we vote only on renaming 0.20.205 to 1.0 then the 0.23 release becomes

Re: [VOTE] Release hadoop-1.x.x off branch-0.20-security

2011-11-15 Thread Konstantin Shvachko
I don't think we should vote it that way. Because 0.23 and 0.22 become confusing in this case. Unless you want to replace trunk with what is in 0.20.205. The three branches 0.20.security, o.22, and 0.23 have very different codes bases. So calling them 1, 2, and 3 respectively is natural. But we

re: Joe's question 1.x.x vote...

2011-11-15 Thread Eric Baldeschwieler
In general terms, I think it is fair to expect that the project progresses, not regresses between major versions. That said, major versions are major versions and can change things. This would end up being a discussion best had around a particular release / a different vote. Certainly 0.23