On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 13:52 -0400, Sakala, Adinarayana wrote:
== Initial Committers ==
...
* Hani Suileman
Wow. Interesting. Never imagined Hani'd come our way. See for example
his latest masterpiece from
http://www.jroller.com/page/fate/?anchor=defecating_on_a_jdk:
In a rather perplexing
Folks,
I don't even know where to start. 32 people? wow!
I was looking for discussions on the celtix-dev@ [1] on xfire-dev@ [2]
and was unpleasantly surprised when i found nothing. I wanted to get
some background on what the integration points are between the 2
engines and did not find any. In
On Mon, Jun 19, 2006 at 04:15:57PM -0700, Cliff Schmidt wrote:
On 6/19/06, Justin Erenkrantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 6/7/06, Cliff Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That was my plan as well; so I'm pretty flexible. I guess I'd
probably prefer not to schedule anything formal on Monday
Hi,
The reason why individual employer weren't added for each person is because some
might read such individual association to mean that people behind the proposal
believe
that it is really their companies who are part of the project rather than the
individuals.
For people who've earned
Please, Hani has been a great contributor to the XFire project:
http://fisheye.codehaus.org/changelog/~author=hani/xfire/
Not only has he contributed code, he has written documentation and
helped users out on the mailing list/irc. While you may not like what
he says on his blog, anyone that
Hi Dims,
Comments inline.
Davanum Srinivas wrote:
Folks,
I don't even know where to start. 32 people? wow!
Keep in mind we're merging two distinct communties, its additive. If you
have ideas on how to create a somewhat smaller list without presupposing
that a person won't contribute, I'm
Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
On 6/21/06, Yoav Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do you think its useful to have individual employer?
Obviously if anyone wants more detailed info I am happy to provide
that.
I do think it's useful. If it's a pain to update the proposal to
reflect these
Hi Yoav,
I do think it's useful. If it's a pain to update the proposal to
reflect these individual associations, I apologize.
Nope not a pain at all.
We will goahead and update the proposal on the wiki[1] to reflect both the
affiliation and the project they contributed to.
[1] -
On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 09:46 -0400, Dan Diephouse wrote:
Please, Hani has been a great contributor to the XFire project:
http://fisheye.codehaus.org/changelog/~author=hani/xfire/
Not only has he contributed code, he has written documentation and
helped users out on the mailing list/irc.
+1 from me.
Paul
On 6/20/06, John Kaputin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So far the candidate Woden M5 release has received one +1 binding vote from
Dims but requires two more +1 votes from Incubator PMC members before it
can be released. There have been no +0 or -1 votes. I'd like to ask the
Well-written proposal.
Thanks.
Nevertheless, do you think there's any
chance someone could give a technical summary of the above that the
people who haven't a clue what most of the used acronyms mean can
also understand?
The CeltiXfire project is intended for enterprise SOA and Web services
There have been no +0 or -1 votes. I'd like to ask the
Incubator PMC again to review this request and vote on it.
Etiquite point, not specifically at John himself;
Don't crosspost to closed lists! Votes are held on the open lists, that is,
your project's dev list, and the [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi Bill,
We newbies at Woden have been getting some conflicting messages about the
release process for projects in incubation. Back in our M2 timeframe (Dec.
2005) Dims asked us to cross post to the incubator and ws pmc lists [1].
We'd like to follow the proper etiquette but at times we
FYI, I updated the wiki page [1] to remove the item Official Build System.
I will look into Apache Gump for this purpose.
[1] - http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/CeltiXfireProposal
thanks,
Adi
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From: Sakala, Adinarayana
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On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 13:44 -0400, Sakala, Adinarayana wrote:
Trying myself, I've always understood XFire to be a direct alternative
for Axis1 (I have yet to get to grips with Axis2, but I assume
some of the same is true there), aka a SOAP stack. Is that somewhat
true? And then, is Celtix
Leo Simons wrote:
On Mon, Jun 19, 2006 at 10:15:38AM -0400, Jim Hurley wrote:
Let the records show that Geir is listed as initial committer too yet probably
doesn't work at sun, unless he switched companies again :)
Hey, it's been 6 months already, but no, I'm still at Intel. :)
*
On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 13:52 -0400, Sakala, Adinarayana wrote:
== Core Developers == The CeltiXfire project's initial committers
include a diverse set of individuals. Some of the individuals are
employed by Envoi Solutions, IONA, BEA, LogicBlaze and Red Hat, and
some are not funded by any
Hey!
It has been chosen from some (weird) alternatives in a discussion
between (some of) the listed intial committers.
From my point of (not native speaker's) view, it has karma, it's
expressive and not technical (I personally don't like too descriptive
names or even acronyms).
My opinion
Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:
In any case, the framework part seems just like what JBI impls like
ServiceMix are doing and what JBI alternates like SCA (Tuscany) are
doing. Since James is a mentor of this maybe he can explain the
relationship (or lack thereof) between Celtixfire and ServiceMix.
Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:
On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 13:52 -0400, Sakala, Adinarayana wrote:
== Initial Committers ==
...
* Hani Suileman
Wow. Interesting. Never imagined Hani'd come our way. See for example
his latest masterpiece from
On 6/21/06, Mika Göckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey!
It has been chosen from some (weird) alternatives in a discussion
between (some of) the listed intial committers.
From my point of (not native speaker's) view, it has karma, it's
expressive and not technical (I personally don't like too
Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
On 6/21/06, Mladen Turk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That kind of person, has nothing in common
with anything ASF stands for thought.
ASF membership is distinct from committership. If Hani evidences
merit for a particular project as judged by his peers on the project,
Well, you should be on the other side like i was [1] or the tomcat
folks were and face it. I higly recommend it. it's depressing and
demoralizing to say the least.
-- dims
[1] http://jroller.com/page/fate?entry=axis2_why_bother
On 6/21/06, Thomas Dudziak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 6/21/06,
Mladen Turk wrote:
Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
I'm not sure that a veto applies to whether we accept a podling or
not. -- justin
Justin's point is that a release can't be vetoed, a policy can't be vetoed.
Code can be vetoed.
So, if I happen to be a board member, then eventually I would
have
On Jun 21, 2006, at 1:56 AM, Phil Steitz wrote:
+1 (as in will help).
From the text below and the comments in
http://archives.java.sun.com/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0604L=jini-
usersF=S=P=4029,
I assume that the scope of the project will just be the core
infrastructure. But you also mention related
Hey folks,
the community around the ADF Faces donation (aka Trinidad) is growing.
We like to vote on a new committer. Now here is my question.
Where should this happen?
On the MyFaces PMC list, since MyFaces is the Trinidad / ADF Faces sponsor?
On the public dev list for the ADF / Trinidad
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
And people in general shouldn't be discussed on this list.
Sorry about that. My bad :(.
Regards,
Mladen.
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Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
On 6/21/06, Mika Göckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey!
It has been chosen from some (weird) alternatives in a discussion
between (some of) the listed intial committers.
From my point of (not native speaker's) view, it has karma, it's
expressive and not technical (I
Anyway, I think it is important that we judge a person by what he does
rather than by what we think we know about him (and a satiric blog is
probably not a good source). If Hani would like to work within the
ASF, great, let him do so. And if the project then decides that he
does not get the ASF
Thomas Dudziak wrote:
(Btw, I don't know whether it's him anyway, because the name is
spelled differently.)
It was meant to be Hani Suleiman. I spelled his name wrong on the
proposal and corrected it in the wiki immediately proceeding our submission.
- Dan
--
Dan Diephouse
Envoi Solutions
On 6/21/06, Matthias Wessendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
the community around the ADF Faces donation (aka Trinidad) is growing.
We like to vote on a new committer. Now here is my question.
Where should this happen?
Isn't there a PPMC list for this? -- justin
Thomas Dudziak wrote:
Anyway, I think it is important that we judge a person by what he does
rather than by what we think we know about him (and a satiric blog is
probably not a good source).
You are completely wrong with that.
There can be no healthy community without at least
minimal mutual
On 6/21/06, Dan Diephouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Currently the plan is to leave both the old websites docs will at the
old locations. And XFire will be making release until Celtixfire
releases a .0 release. I think Celtix will probably make some 1.x or
1.0.x releases as well.
Given that, I
No ppmc list has been created for the adffaces donation
see here the list of our mailing lists:
http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-16
Because the goal is to have the ADF Faces dontaion (Trinidad) as a
subproject of the MyFaces project. Like the Tobago incubation last
year.
So
Jean-
thanks for your email, but the adf faces project has no ppmc, b/c
we like to be a subproject of our sponsor the myfaces project.
That's why I asked ;)
-Matthias
On 6/21/06, Jean T. Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
On 6/21/06, Matthias Wessendorf [EMAIL
Matthias Wessendorf wrote:
Jean-
thanks for your email, but the adf faces project has no ppmc, b/c
we like to be a subproject of our sponsor the myfaces project.
That's why I asked ;)
doh. :-) sorry. reading emails too quickly ...
-jean
-Matthias
On 6/21/06, Jean T. Anderson [EMAIL
doh. :-) sorry. reading emails too quickly ...
:)
so, what todo? Bringing it up the MyFaces PMC ?
three of the ADF Faces committers are PMC members.
Or should we vote on the dev list? (I don't like this usecase)
-jean
-Matthias
On 6/21/06, Matthias Wessendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Because the goal is to have the ADF Faces dontaion (Trinidad) as a
subproject of the MyFaces project. Like the Tobago incubation last
year.
So using the MyFaces PMC list?
Yah, I guess so. But, then follow the rest of the stuff on the
Yah, I guess so. But, then follow the rest of the stuff on the new
committers page that Jean sent out.-- justin
thanks justin.
snip
After vetting the new candidate, the vote can take place either on the
PPMC list (with notice posted to the Incubator PMC list) or on the
developer list
CXFilre sounds good to me ;-)
On 6/21/06, Justin Erenkrantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 6/21/06, Dan Diephouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Currently the plan is to leave both the old websites docs will at the
old locations. And XFire will be making release until Celtixfire
releases a .0
On 6/21/06, Hiram Chirino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
CXFilre sounds good to me ;-)
Doh... replace with: CXFire
On 6/21/06, Justin Erenkrantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 6/21/06, Dan Diephouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Currently the plan is to leave both the old websites docs will at the
Incubator web site navigation no longer has a learn category with
links to these pages:
http://incubator.apache.org/learn/
http://incubator.apache.org/learn/newcommitters.html
http://incubator.apache.org/learn/mailing-lists.html
http://incubator.apache.org/learn/releasemanagement.html
On 6/21/06, Mladen Turk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thomas Dudziak wrote:
Anyway, I think it is important that we judge a person by what he does
rather than by what we think we know about him (and a satiric blog is
probably not a good source).
You are completely wrong with that.
There can be
On 21 Jun 06, at 10:03 AM 21 Jun 06, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:
Is Hani seriously going to participate in an Apache meritocracy or is
this some kind of joke?
You can't take any of what he says in that blog seriously. He's
equally slammed Maven, and generally what he's said has some grain
Dan,
ok. let's stick to the technical side for a minute and let me layout a logic.
- Tuscany started with an Axis1 binding and then they added Axis2.
When Celtix guys wanted to do the same, We welcomed Dan and got him
cranking.
- So Tuscany is better off now as a container that supports
On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 21:53 +0200, Thomas Dudziak wrote:
While I haven't met Hani in person, I don't think it is ok to judge
him after his blog. After all it is satire (and damn funny at times).
Its not about whether his blogs are funny but rather whether he'll help
build communities or not.
On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 15:46 -0500, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
Mladen Turk wrote:
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
And people in general shouldn't be discussed on this list.
Sorry about that. My bad :(.
Mine too; and as the originator of the thread in public my apologies to
Hani.
Thomas and Jason pointed already out,
that is very active in the JCP (Java Community Process).
Also, I agree with Thomas, that there always is a possibility to *remove* sb.
-Matthias
On 6/21/06, Sanjiva Weerawarana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 21:53 +0200, Thomas Dudziak
Matthias,
FYI, Once you are an Apache committer. You are one for life. Unless
you voluntarily peition people to revoke your id and karma.
-- dims
On 6/21/06, Matthias Wessendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thomas and Jason pointed already out,
that is very active in the JCP (Java Community
ah :)
thx,
On 6/21/06, Davanum Srinivas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Matthias,
FYI, Once you are an Apache committer. You are one for life. Unless
you voluntarily peition people to revoke your id and karma.
-- dims
-
To
On 6/21/06, Matthias Wessendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yah, I guess so. But, then follow the rest of the stuff on the new
committers page that Jean sent out.-- justin
thanks justin.
sorry justin, for bothering you again...
Or should we create a adffaces-ppmc list for the adf faces
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On 6/21/06, Matthias Wessendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 6/21/06, Matthias Wessendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yah, I guess so. But, then follow the rest of the stuff on the new
committers page that Jean sent out.-- justin
thanks justin.
sorry justin, for bothering you again...
On Wed, Jun 21, 2006 at 08:50:30PM -0700, Matthias Wessendorf wrote:
On 6/21/06, Matthias Wessendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yah, I guess so. But, then follow the rest of the stuff on the new
committers page that Jean sent out.-- justin
thanks justin.
sorry justin, for bothering
One obvious thing I'd like to focus on (that Jean hinted at) is the sidebar
organization on incubator.a.o.
The fact that Projects (which is the actual list of projects!) is next to a
bunch of a IP Clearance, Policy, etc. docs makes zero sense. It needs
to be way way more prominent.
See ya'll in
On Wed, Jun 21, 2006 at 09:04:27PM -0700, Martin Cooper wrote:
We didn't have one for the WebWork incubation, which I think is similar to
the situation you are in with ADFFaces. We also didn't get clear direction
on what we were supposed to do, so we just used the Struts PMC + initial
Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
I think the initial decision was that a PPMC was not necessary as the code was
just going to be imported into the MyFaces project. Therefore, the MyFaces
PMC
is responsible for executing the duties that a PPMC would normally do.
Perhaps we need to clarify these
I think the initial decision was that a PPMC was not necessary as the code was
just going to be imported into the MyFaces project. Therefore, the MyFaces PMC
is responsible for executing the duties that a PPMC would normally do.
Yeah, right the goal was being a MyFaces subproject. Since ADF
On 6/21/06, Jeremy Boynes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For Derby we had a PPMC which was useful for personnel discussions. On
graduation responsbility was transferred to the DB PMC.
To me a ppmc for *each* incubator project sounds reasonable.
On Tuscany we don't have a PPMC or other private
On 6/21/06, Mike Kienenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In previous discussions, the eventual status (subproject/project) of
the podling was not to be considered in decisions until after the
project graduated.It seems like this would continue to be a good
well, the prefered status was/is
Jean T. Anderson wrote:
Incubator web site navigation no longer has a learn category with
links to these pages:
http://incubator.apache.org/learn/
http://incubator.apache.org/learn/newcommitters.html
http://incubator.apache.org/learn/mailing-lists.html
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