On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:57 AM, Martin Hollmichel
martin.hollmic...@googlemail.com wrote:
Hi,
time to introduce myself, I'm Martin Hollmichel, contributor to
StarOffice/OpenOffice.org since 1994, member of the OpenOffice.org
Community Council (CC) until 2010 and also Chair of Team
Hi Simon,
Am 09.06.2011 00:14, schrieb Simon Phipps:
Presumably it would also be possible to have a group outside ASF called eg
Friends of Open Office ( FOO) that raised money and put it to code
development or marketing or whatever. Not saying that is the best way just
its a possibility.
Welcome Paul! We are delighted to have you on the team!
Thanks,
Arvind Prabhakar
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 8:01 PM, Zimdars, Paul A (3880-Affiliate)
paul.a.zimd...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote:
Hey Guys,
Thanks this project looks awesome. I know you've already started VOTE'ing but
I'm super interested
Hi Martin...welcome. Nice to see you post here.
Danese
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 10:57 PM, Martin Hollmichel
martin.hollmic...@googlemail.com wrote:
Hi,
time to introduce myself, I'm Martin Hollmichel, contributor to
StarOffice/OpenOffice.org since 1994, member of the OpenOffice.org
On 06/09/2011 08:06 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:57 AM, Martin Hollmichel
martin.hollmic...@googlemail.com wrote:
Hi,
time to introduce myself, I'm Martin Hollmichel, contributor to
StarOffice/OpenOffice.org since 1994, member of the OpenOffice.org
Community
Good morning,
as most of the discussion happened when I slept, I will give a
summarizinig answer from the top. (With unusally top-posting against
the netiquette)
There are two associations (german: eingetragener Verein abbrev. e.V.)
- Team OpenOffice.org e.V., based in Hamburg. The members are
Hi,
Andy Brown wrote on 2011-06-09 01.42:
It would be interesting to find out if all funds received for OOo were
accounted for since the fork. The e.V changed names and collects
donations for LibreOffice,
http://www.documentfoundation.org/contribution/ .
as a German approved,
Hello everyone,
2011/6/9 Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org
Hi,
Andy Brown wrote on 2011-06-09 01.42:
It would be interesting to find out if all funds received for OOo were
accounted for since the fork. The e.V changed names and collects
donations for LibreOffice,
Hi,
Charles-H. Schulz wrote on 2011-06-09 10.28:
- TeamOOo e.V: Association of the Hamburg engineers (primarily) --- OOo
- FroDe.V, formerly OOoDe.V: users/community association in Germany
channelling funds under two separate accounts for LibreOffice and
OpenOffice, and also acting as the
Hi,
On 06/09/2011 10:32 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote:
[...]
Maybe two things to add (and Martin, feel free to correct me):
TeamOOo: donations are not tax-deductible, as not approved as
not-for-profit, but thus more flexible in handling money spending
outside of Germany.
FrODeV: donations
Hi,
Martin Hollmichel wrote on 2011-06-09 11.20:
Team OOo donation are not tax-deductible, as not want have all spendings
as especially meritorious. Of course Team OOo is a non-profit
organization and more flexible in spendings. My understanding is that
the especially meritorious term also
+1
Mike McCandless
http://blog.mikemccandless.com
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 11:39 PM, arv...@cloudera.com
arv...@cloudera.com wrote:
As there are no active discussions on the [PROPOSAL] thread for a few
days now, I will like to initiate the vote to accept Sqoop as an
Apache Incubator project.
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 9:57 PM, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote:
Richard S. Hall wrote (08-06-11 11:03)
On 06/08/2011 04:16 AM, Christian Lippka wrote:
Moin Moin [1],
my name is Christian Lippka and I work on the donnated code base since
1998
[..]
I just wanted to say that this is one
Hi Rob and all,
I am Kazunari Hirano (khir...@openoffice.org).
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:Khirano
I am one of adminstrators for OpenOffice.org Comunity Forum Japanese.
http://user.services.openoffice.org/ja/forum/
I am OpenOffice.org Marketing Contact (MarCon) Japan.
Sorry!
I inserted a odd sentence, I would like to take this opportunity to
thank all of the parents who
have helped enact this important change by expressing concerns to both
the school and council
Please ignore :)
Thanks,
khirano
El 07/06/11 14:12, robert_w...@us.ibm.com escribió:
I think it would be good if the proposed committers who have not yet done
so, could post a quick note to the list, to introduce yourself and your
interest in this project.
Hi people.
I'm a community member of OpenOffice.org since 2002. My
Kazunari Hirano khir...@gmail.com wrote on 06/09/2011 08:46:05 AM:
Let us open up new markets and allow all the people on the earth to
use our great Office Suite in their native languages!
We are all sure that OpenOffice.org/StarOffice/StarSuite benefit them.
Thanks
It is very exciting to
Volker Merschmann merschm...@gmail.com wrote on 06/09/2011 02:33:09 AM:
as most of the discussion happened when I slept, I will give a
summarizinig answer from the top. (With unusally top-posting against
the netiquette)
There are two associations (german: eingetragener Verein abbrev.
Hi,
robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote on 2011-06-09 15.21:
together. The only influence Apache has is indirect, via its eventual
control of the OOo trademark, logo and website. Since fundraising is a
just a quick note to that - it doesn't affect the German association
very much, but: Once
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 2:21 PM, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote:
This is great information. But can I make a suggestion? I don't think
this is a discussion that we can really make any progress with now, in
reviewing an incubation proposal. I'm not even sure this is something
that will be
Does someone have a high-level org chart - so to speak - of the
OpenOffice.org community? To be more specific, a chart or description
of all the recognizable groups (associations, corporations, memberships,
etc.) that are either directly in charge of some part of the OOo project
as a whole,
Sam Ruby wrote:
Unless I see pushback that merits waiting further, I plan to call for
a vote approximately 24 hours from now (noon EDT).
Please count my +1 vote. I will be traveling, and I don't know what my
Internet access will be during the voting timeframe.
There are a lot of issues to
Hi,
I know you guys have already started the voting process for Flume
becoming an Incubator project. However I'd like to through my hat in
to become a contributor on the project.
Thanks,
Nick
--
Nick Verbeck - NerdyNick
NerdyNick.com
Lets go for it.
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
First some current stats:
73 committers.
18 currently have iclas on file.
29 have openoffice.org email addresses.
8 have ibm email addresses.
8 mentors
Overall, it looks to me like discussion is
Welcome Nick! I've added you to the list of initial committers. We've
chatted in the past and its great to have you on board.
Could you add your affiliation (company) to the wiki page?
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/FlumeProposal
Thanks,
Jon.
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 9:11 AM, NerdyNick
2011/6/7 robert_w...@us.ibm.com
By my count we have now have over 60 individuals listed on as proposed
committers for the Apache OpenOffice project. I think this is a
respectable start, though obviously the project will need to have a strong
commitment to recruiting additional developers
Hi Rob,
In the deluge of drivel I lost this gem in your response to
my scepticism about how quickly you could provide a binary release:
On Fri, 2011-06-03 at 10:31 -0400, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote:
But one thing not to lose track of is that Symphony has done IP
remediation at many
upps forgot ...
reunification if somehow possible ... to be even stronger ;-)
( please observe: in reunification we as germans have some experiences ;-) )
2011/6/9 Manfred A. Reiter ma.rei...@gmail.com:
[...]
Interested in helping:
Marketing, OOo in education sector, fundraising,
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Michael Meeks michael.me...@novell.com wrote:
IMHO this is vastly preferable to some smoke and lawyer (IANAL)
filled room that issues edicts to remove features and veto patches
without a clear public rational on a public list (cf. the above).
All work
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Michael Meeks michael.me...@novell.com
wrote:
IMHO this is vastly preferable to some smoke and lawyer (IANAL)
filled room that issues edicts to remove features and veto patches
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote:
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Michael Meeks michael.me...@novell.com
wrote:
IMHO this is vastly preferable to some smoke and lawyer
- Original Message
From: Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Thu, June 9, 2011 12:46:41 PM
Subject: Re: Remediation ...
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Michael Meeks
Considering the code was owned by Oracle, would Oracle and IBM have
slugged out any IP issues between them before now?
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
- Original Message
From: Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent from my mobile device (so please excuse typos)
On 9 Jun 2011, at 17:27, Michael Meeks michael.me...@novell.com wrote:
Can you comment on your plans, and/or can others comment on ASF
policies in this regard ? how are such issues worked through ?
I can't comment on the details if
What we can say for certain is that Oracle won't be turning
around and suing ASF or any downstream user of the Apache-licensed
codebase for infringement. Same goes for IBM once they start
contributing to it. The patent provisions in the license only
kick in on entities who contribute to us, so
Michael Meeks wrote:
Robert Weir wrote:
But I know with certainty that we've fixed things that LO has missed.
(I'm talking patents, not the MPL/LGPL dependency issues).
You seem to assert that you have patent remediation patches for
problems that others are unaware of, that you can
Michael Meeks michael.me...@novell.com wrote on 06/09/2011 12:27:56 PM:
In the deluge of drivel I lost this gem in your response to
my scepticism about how quickly you could provide a binary release:
On Fri, 2011-06-03 at 10:31 -0400, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote:
But one thing
Joe Schaefer wrote:
I don't see how this has any bearing on the vote. The ASF doesn't require
entities to disclose whether or not any particular contribution includes a
patent license.
We do, however, have the patent clause to ensure that contributed code comes
with license for any necessary
Am 09.06.2011 19:13, schrieb Noel J. Bergman:
Please stop using the meme that software patents make Americans happy.
+ 1 from Germany
Cheers,
Andreas
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On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote:
Joe Schaefer wrote:
I don't see how this has any bearing on the vote. The ASF doesn't require
entities to disclose whether or not any particular contribution includes a
patent license.
We do, however, have the patent
Hi Noel,
On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 13:13 -0400, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
I heard about this, myself, in some specific detail very recently.
I will leave disclosure to the relevant parties, but while it may
or may not be an issue for you ...
I rest my case about FUD. It seems hard for me to
Hi Sam,
On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 13:54 -0400, Sam Ruby wrote:
The net of all of this is that there will need to be a substantial
public aspect to this entire discussion. Yes, I will probably have
some private discussions with ASF lawyers over time over this matter,
but I can't see any way that
On 09/06/2011 18:59, Michael Meeks wrote:
and/or can others comment on ASF policies in this regard ? how are
such issues worked through ?
This question was intended to mean:
What is ASF's normal modus operandi here ?, how does this type
of issue get addressed ? are
Michael Meeks wrote:
I rest my case about FUD. It seems hard for me to reconcile your
statement with the emphasis around things happening transparently
Then let me be equally clear. I've learned not to discuss *potential* legal
issues on public lists before first consulting counsel. Akin to
On Jun 9, 2011 9:29 AM, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote:
sa3r...@gmail.com wrote on 06/09/2011 12:00:22 PM:
If any of this is unclear or if I got anything wrong, please speak up.
Presumably the wiki locks, if not physically, then at least by convention,
when the call for a vote has been
Am 09.06.2011 18:32, schrieb Manfred A. Reiter:
upps forgot ...
reunification if somehow possible ... to be even stronger ;-)
( please observe: in reunification we as germans have some experiences ;-) )
I hope it will not take 40 years ;-)
2011/6/9 Manfred A. Reiter ma.rei...@gmail.com:
Michael Meeks wrote:
It still leaves something you can't answer though: whether it is Rob's
understanding of IBM's intention to camouflage such changes or to flag
them all openly and clearly.
Separating the above from what seems to be the underlying concern.
Ultimately with a suite of 8+
On Jun 9, 2011, at 11:14 AM, Michael Meeks wrote:
Hi Sam,
On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 13:54 -0400, Sam Ruby wrote:
The net of all of this is that there will need to be a substantial
public aspect to this entire discussion. Yes, I will probably have
some private discussions with ASF lawyers
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Michael Meeks michael.me...@novell.com wrote:
Hi Sam,
On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 13:54 -0400, Sam Ruby wrote:
The net of all of this is that there will need to be a substantial
public aspect to this entire discussion. Yes, I will probably have
some private
On Jun 9, 2011 11:16 AM, Michael Meeks michael.me...@novell.com wrote:
...
It still leaves something you can't answer though: whether it is
Rob's
understanding of IBM's intention to camouflage such changes or to flag
them all openly and clearly. Ultimately with a suite of 8+ million
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote:
Since IBM has already implemented their workarounds and it is existing code
shouldn't it all be contributed via a Software Grant from IBM and go through
the same IP remediation as the Oracle grant only at a much smaller
Michael,
I agree that the ethical thing to do is to inform partners of such matters,
although I still don't know how to guarantee it. And generally speaking, you
might want to treat the specifics of such matters in similarly sensitive manner
as to how you would carefully handle any potential
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 2:53 PM, Michael Meeks michael.me...@novell.com wrote:
On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 14:27 -0400, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Ultimately with a suite of 8+ million lines, packed with obscure features,
and thousands of lines of change a day it is fairly easy to slip things in,
to
On 09/06/2011 19:53, Michael Meeks wrote:
On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 14:27 -0400, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
...
This is what I want to avoid; I would like to winkle this information
out, publicly, to ensure that LibreOffice (and others: gnumeric, KOffice
etc.) can take advantage of it. Is
Hi All.
After reading the messages by others I feel very out of place. I do not
have any formal background to speak of that would relate to this or any
other project. The only thing that I feel I can bring is an open mind
and willingness to work and learn.
I first used StarOffice back in
Hi Christoph,
2011/6/9 Christoph Jopp j...@gmx.de:
Am 09.06.2011 18:32, schrieb Manfred A. Reiter:
upps forgot ...
reunification if somehow possible ... to be even stronger ;-)
( please observe: in reunification we as germans have some experiences ;-) )
I hope it will not take 40 years ;-)
Andy,
Fáilte! Sounds like you get the Apache Way just great :-)
I don't really have any background in this, but [... list of awesome
things you've already done.]
Willing hands are always welcome, and a dose of humility can be a
refreshing change :-)
Noirin
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 9:43 PM,
Greg Stein wrote:
robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote:
Presumably the wiki locks, if not physically, then at least by convention,
when the call for a vote has been made?
Yeah.
Yes. However we have lost our ability to oversee the Wiki.
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-3668
Moin Wiki
Subscribing to changes of a specific page, such as
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal
seem to work just fine, however.
Possible stop-gap for this particular activity?
= Dennis
-Original Message-
From: David Crossley [mailto:cross...@apache.org]
Sent: Thursday, June
Beaut, Joe just fixed the overall issue via INFA-3667
Thanks.
-David
Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
Subscribing to changes of a specific page, such as
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal
seem to work just fine, however.
Possible stop-gap for this particular activity?
= Dennis
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