Re: [names] Public Review

2012-01-30 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 10:47 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: Please note that I didn't invent this process. I would have preferred something much simpler. I just documented the

Re: [names] Public Review

2012-01-30 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 7:54 AM, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote: Jukka Zitting wrote on Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 23:47:38 +0100: Hi, On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: Please note that I didn't invent this process. I would

Re: [names] Public Review

2012-01-30 Thread Daniel Shahaf
Robert Burrell Donkin wrote on Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 08:31:50 +: Brand would be satisfied by - say - a profession trademark search [citation needed] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For

Re: [names] Public Review

2012-01-30 Thread Daniel Shahaf
Robert Burrell Donkin wrote on Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 08:33:38 +: On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 7:54 AM, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote: Jukka Zitting wrote on Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 23:47:38 +0100: Hi, On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin

Re: [names] Public Review

2012-01-30 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 8:44 AM, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote: Robert Burrell Donkin wrote on Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 08:33:38 +: On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 7:54 AM, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote: Jukka Zitting wrote on Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 23:47:38 +0100: Hi,

Re: [names] Public Review

2012-01-30 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote: Robert Burrell Donkin wrote on Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 08:31:50 +: Brand would be satisfied by - say - a profession trademark search [citation needed] I'm not will to cite out of context. Please read all the

Re: [DISCUSSION] Regular rotation PMC chair

2012-01-30 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 9:16 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: ...2) Fixed election schedule: On some schedule (e.g. annually), nominations are opened, including potentially the current chair, and a vote takes place... +1 to this option. -Bertrand

Re: [DISCUSSION] Regular rotation PMC chair

2012-01-30 Thread Ross Gardler
On 30 January 2012 09:11, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 9:16 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: ...2) Fixed election schedule: On some schedule (e.g. annually), nominations are opened, including potentially the current chair, and a

Re: [names] Public Review

2012-01-30 Thread Leo Simons
Hey Robert, Thanks for this; it was obviously a lot of work! I like the word picks, flow and style of this guide a lot. There's a lot to read here and some new stuff to learn for me -- I confess I've been ignoring as much about trademarks as I can until a time comes up when I actually have a need

Re: [DISCUSSION] Regular rotation PMC chair

2012-01-30 Thread Ate Douma
On 01/30/2012 10:17 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: On 30 January 2012 09:11, Bertrand Delacretazbdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 9:16 PM, Benson Marguliesbimargul...@gmail.com wrote: ...2) Fixed election schedule: On some schedule (e.g. annually), nominations are opened,

Re: [DISCUSSION] Regular rotation PMC chair

2012-01-30 Thread Leo Simons
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 9:39 PM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 9:37 PM, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote: On Jan 29, 2012, at 12:16 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:

Re: [DISCUSSION] Regular rotation PMC chair

2012-01-30 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Ate Douma a...@douma.nu wrote: ...I just realize something not clear from this proposal: are we *only* talking about the Incubator PMC Chair here, or is this a proposal for every PMC Chair? I presumed (and propose) the latter, but maybe that wasn't the

RE: [DISCUSSION] Regular rotation PMC chair

2012-01-30 Thread Franklin, Matthew B.
-Original Message- From: Bertrand Delacretaz [mailto:bdelacre...@apache.org] Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 7:30 AM To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSSION] Regular rotation PMC chair On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Ate Douma a...@douma.nu wrote: ...I just realize

Re: [names] Public Review

2012-01-30 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 10:21 AM, Leo Simons m...@leosimons.com wrote: Hey Robert, Leo :-) (Great to hear from you again) Thanks for this; it was obviously a lot of work! A parting gift to the Incubator :-) Robert - To

Re: [DISCUSSION] Regular rotation PMC chair

2012-01-30 Thread Ross Gardler
On 30 January 2012 13:00, Franklin, Matthew B. mfrank...@mitre.org wrote: -Original Message- From: Bertrand Delacretaz [mailto:bdelacre...@apache.org] Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 7:30 AM To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSSION] Regular rotation PMC chair On Mon, Jan

Re: [names] Public Review

2012-01-30 Thread Ross Gardler
On 30 January 2012 13:01, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 10:21 AM, Leo Simons m...@leosimons.com wrote: Hey Robert, Leo :-) (Great to hear from you again) Thanks for this; it was obviously a lot of work! A parting gift to the Incubator

RE: [DISCUSSION] Regular rotation PMC chair

2012-01-30 Thread Franklin, Matthew B.
-Original Message- From: Ross Gardler [mailto:rgard...@opendirective.com] Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 8:21 AM To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSSION] Regular rotation PMC chair On 30 January 2012 13:00, Franklin, Matthew B. mfrank...@mitre.org wrote: -Original

Re: [DISCUSSION] Regular rotation PMC chair

2012-01-30 Thread Ralph Goers
On Jan 30, 2012, at 4:29 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Ate Douma a...@douma.nu wrote: ...I just realize something not clear from this proposal: are we *only* talking about the Incubator PMC Chair here, or is this a proposal for every

Re: [names] Public Review

2012-01-30 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 10:03 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: I'll see if I can come up with a patch with edits along the lines described above. See [1] for a proposed patch, and [2] for the output. My idea is to collect the points about the rationale of the guide up into

Re: list of mentors: accumulo, chukwa, s4

2012-01-30 Thread Alan D. Cabrera
Done. Thanks for catching this! Regards, Alan On Jan 29, 2012, at 9:58 PM, David Crossley wrote: Alan D. Cabrera wrote: Not sure that I understand your statement. The site was updated, no? This page: http://incubator.apache.org/projects/index.html is generated from

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2012-01-30 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, Some further followup on this. On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: 2008-08-19 PhotArk S: Zero

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2012-01-30 Thread Daniel Shahaf
Jukka Zitting wrote on Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 17:20:41 +0100: Their next status report is due in March; looking forward to a summary then. They're free to send an out-of-cycle report in February if they want to... /reminder -

Questions for projects

2012-01-30 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, The deadline for podlings to submit their February reports is already in two days since the ASF board meeting is scheduled for Feb 15th. I spent a few moments reviewing the November reports and related information of all the projects scheduled to report in February (excluding new projects on

Re: Questions for projects

2012-01-30 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Jukka, what you currently do in the incubator is just an amazing job. I would have nominated you for serving as an incubator chair, but it seems another project has already got you. As I can not nominate you, I need to say that your work here is great. Thanks. Cheers Christian On Mon, Jan 30,

Re: Questions for projects

2012-01-30 Thread Alan D. Cabrera
On Jan 30, 2012, at 9:32 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote: VCL What's the status with the issue of university approval of the CLAs? Brain freeze on my part. What issue are you speaking of? How diverse is your currently active committer-base? It's improving. A new committer was added a few weeks

Re: Questions for projects

2012-01-30 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 6:48 PM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote: On Jan 30, 2012, at 9:32 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote: VCL What's the status with the issue of university approval of the CLAs? Brain freeze on my part.  What issue are you speaking of? From the November report

Re: Questions for projects

2012-01-30 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: what you currently do in the incubator is just an amazing job. I would have nominated you for serving as an incubator chair, but it seems another project has already got you. As I can not nominate you, I need

Re: Questions for projects

2012-01-30 Thread Andy Seaborne
On 30/01/12 17:32, Jukka Zitting wrote: Jena When can I vote on your graduation? Jena's report is already signed off on the wiki: [*] http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/February2012 The project is discussing graduation. Plan: * Graduation preparation (checking, drafting the

[ANNOUNCE] Apache Rave 0.7-INCUBATING Release

2012-01-30 Thread Matt Franklin
The Apache Rave (Incubating) team is pleased to announce the immediate availability of the Rave 0.7-INCUBATING Alpha release. Apache Rave is a new web and social mashup engine. It will provide an out-of-the-box, as well as extendible, lightweight Java platform to host, serve and manage

RE: Questions for projects

2012-01-30 Thread Noel J. Bergman
I need to say that your [Jukka] work here is great. Thanks. +1 one doesn't need to be a PMC chair to invest some time in podling review and followup. :-) :-) --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

[DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-30 Thread Joe Schaefer
It is clear that with all the turmoil of late and people lightly tossing around -1's that the notion of having veto authority over personnel matters makes little sense on this PMC.  Therefore I propose we adopt the policy that personnel votes are by straight majority consensus, iow no vetoes

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-30 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
+1 from me. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 30, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: It is clear that with all the turmoil of late and people lightly tossing around -1's that the notion of having veto authority over personnel matters makes little sense on this PMC.

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-30 Thread Chris Douglas
+1 -C On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: +1 from me. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 30, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: It is clear that with all the turmoil of late and people lightly tossing around -1's

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-30 Thread Greg Stein
+1 I've never liked vetoes for this. One person can hold an entire PMC hostage simply for disliking someone (or worse: subtle corporate concerns masked otherwise). People have said in the past, you should have veto so you're not forced to work with somebody you dislike. I respond, grow up. we

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-30 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 1/30/2012 6:06 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: It is clear that with all the turmoil of late and people lightly tossing around -1's that the notion of having veto authority over personnel matters makes little sense on this PMC. Therefore I propose we adopt the policy that personnel votes are by

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-30 Thread Joe Schaefer
Lemme get this straight: a person who makes a class-action veto against a whole swath of people should have those votes upheld to protect that person from the tyranny of the majority? This is getting sillier by the moment... - Original Message - From: William A. Rowe Jr.

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-30 Thread Dave Fisher
Sent from my iPhone On Jan 30, 2012, at 5:34 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: On 1/30/2012 6:06 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: It is clear that with all the turmoil of late and people lightly tossing around -1's that the notion of having veto authority over personnel matters

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-30 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 1/30/2012 7:41 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: Lemme get this straight: a person who makes a class-action veto against a whole swath of people should have those votes upheld to protect that person from the tyranny of the majority? No. Joe, take a break. Then come back, and reread both threads,

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-30 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 1/30/2012 7:44 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: Sent from my iPhone On Jan 30, 2012, at 5:34 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: On 1/30/2012 6:06 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: It is clear that with all the turmoil of late and people lightly tossing around -1's that the notion of

Re: Q: including notice for binary release of artifacts that are brought in via Maven?

2012-01-30 Thread Jakob Homan
Jukka- Great, thanks. Using this method, I get a file layout similar to: giraph-0.1-SNAPSHOT-bin.tar.gz NOTICE (without appended text for dep1 and dep2) LICENSE (without appended text for dep1 and dep2) bin/ lib/ dep1.jar dep2.jar giraph.jar

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-30 Thread Joe Schaefer
- Original Message - From: William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net To: general@incubator.apache.org Cc: Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes On 1/30/2012 7:44 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: Sent from my iPhone On Jan

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-30 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 1/30/2012 7:51 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: - Original Message - From: William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net To: general@incubator.apache.org Cc: Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes On 1/30/2012 7:44 PM, Dave Fisher

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-30 Thread Joe Schaefer
- Original Message - From: William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net To: general@incubator.apache.org Cc: Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes On 1/30/2012 7:51 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: - Original Message -

[VOTE] Apache Lucy (incubating) 0.3.0 RC 1

2012-01-30 Thread Peter Karman
Hello, Release candidate 1 for Apache Lucy (incubating) version 0.3.0 can be found at: http://people.apache.org/~karpet/apache-lucy-incubating-0.3.0-rc1/ See the CHANGES file at the top level of the archive for information about the content of this release. This candidate was assembled

[VOTE] Apache Lucy (incubating) 0.3.0 RC 1

2012-01-30 Thread Peter Karman
Peter Karman wrote on 1/30/12 8:51 PM: Apache Lucy PPMC vote thread: http://s.apache.org/uot +1 Marvin Humphrey*+ +1 Peter Karman* +1 Chris Mattmann*+ +1 Chris Hostetter*+ +1 David E. Wheeler* +1 Dan Markham* * indicates Lucy PPMC member +

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-30 Thread Alan D . Cabrera
On Jan 30, 2012, at 4:06 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: It is clear that with all the turmoil of late and people lightly tossing around -1's that the notion of having veto authority over personnel matters makes little sense on this PMC. Therefore I propose we adopt the policy that personnel votes

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-30 Thread Alan D. Cabrera
On Jan 30, 2012, at 5:41 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: This is getting sillier by the moment... I don't care for these kinds of statements. Please try to keep the conversation civil. Regards, Alan - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-30 Thread Alan D. Cabrera
On Jan 30, 2012, at 6:06 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: - Original Message - From: William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net To: general@incubator.apache.org Cc: Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes On 1/30/2012 7:51 PM, Joe

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-30 Thread Dave Fisher
Sent from my iPhone On Jan 30, 2012, at 7:47 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: On 1/30/2012 7:44 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: Sent from my iPhone On Jan 30, 2012, at 5:34 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: On 1/30/2012 6:06 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: It

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-30 Thread Greg Stein
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 23:53, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote: On Jan 30, 2012, at 4:06 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: It is clear that with all the turmoil of late and people lightly tossing around -1's that the notion of having veto authority over personnel matters makes little sense on