Re: Incubation capacity

Thanks Ross. Good point. And it has been long enough ago that people might be able to look at it a bit more dispassionately. On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 9:40 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: > With respect to " I hope that we can manage that a bit by pushing to > recognize common points of reference, mov

A question: Is it alright to say no to potential podlings?

This is a legitimate question - by my very rough count, we've accepted 25-30 podlings into the Incubator in the last year, and other than the JavaX trainwreck, I'm having a hard time finding examples of potential podlings we've declined to incubate. Some of that is certainly because it's not easy t

Re: [VOTE] Accept Mynewt into the Apache Incubator

On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 6:04 PM, Sterling Hughes wrote: > ...I'd like to call a VOTE to accept Mynewt as a > new ASF incubator project... +1 -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For addit

Re: Incubation capacity

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 6:26 AM, Ted Dunning wrote: > The (gut) feeling I have about scarce resources are: > 1) me. As Marvin noted, I am a failure mode as much as a contributor > lately. This is largely due to my crazy travel schedule combined with lots > of short term deliverables This ca

Re: A question: Is it alright to say no to potential podlings?

Forgot to add - and what criteria would make it acceptable to vote no? A. On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 9:46 AM, Andrew Bayer wrote: > This is a legitimate question - by my very rough count, we've accepted > 25-30 podlings into the Incubator in the last year, and other than the > JavaX trainwreck, I'

Re: A question: Is it alright to say no to potential podlings?

Hi, On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 9:46 AM, Andrew Bayer wrote: > ...Can we think of some examples in recent years of potential podlings getting > to the point of a serious DISCUSS thread but not making it to a vote?.. I don't have such an example, but it might also just be because we say no earlier.

Re: A question: Is it alright to say no to potential podlings?

Is there a case where we've rejected a podling due to the infrastructure costs? I know I've been a bit worried about Mynewt in that context - not enough to think it should be rejected, but enough to be concerned about what expectations we're setting, etc. A. On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 9:59 AM, Bertr

Re: A question: Is it alright to say no to potential podlings?

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Andrew Bayer wrote: > ...Is there a case where we've rejected a podling due to the infrastructure > costs? I know I've been a bit worried about Mynewt in that context - not > enough to think it should be rejected, but enough to be concerned about > what expectatio

Re: A question: Is it alright to say no to potential podlings?

Would it be reasonable to add a section to the proposal template covering infrastructural requirements/expectations? A. On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 10:17 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz < bdelacre...@apache.org> wrote: > On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Andrew Bayer > wrote: > > ...Is there a case where w

Re: A question: Is it alright to say no to potential podlings?

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Andrew Bayer wrote: > ...Would it be reasonable to add a section to the proposal template covering > infrastructural requirements/expectations?... You could add a question to the "Required Resources" section of the podling proposals, where podlings have to expres

Re: A question: Is it alright to say no to potential podlings?

On Tue, 2015-10-13 at 09:59 +0200, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > > ...and what criteria would make it acceptable to vote no?... > > Off the top of my head I'd say: A look back at the OpenOffice thread would find an example where significant questions and doubts were discussed. The political circu

Re: Mentor disengagement - a suggestion

On Mon, 2015-10-12 at 16:10 +0200, Emmanuel Lécharny wrote: > Regarding inactive mentors, this is quite simple : we have a monthly > report that has to be signed off by mentors, if one mentor does not sign > it three time in a raw, shouldn't we consider that this mentor has > already stepped down

Re: [VOTE] Accept Concerted into the Apache Incubator

Hi All, This vote passed with the following result: +1(binding):Henry Saputra, Julian Hyde, Chris Nauroth, Lars Hofhansl, Roman Shaposhnik, Jake Farrell, Amareshwari Sriramdasu, Alan D. Cabrera, Bertrand Delacretaz +0(binding):Sergio Fernandez +1(non binding):Amol Kekre, Pavel Stehule, Ayrton Gom

Re: A question: Is it alright to say no to potential podlings?

Hi, > I know I've been a bit worried about Mynewt in that context - not > enough to think it should be rejected, but enough to be concerned about > what expectations we're setting, etc. While I don’t know the exact answer and can;t speak for the project. I don’t see too much of an issue here a

Re: [VOTE] Accept Concerted into the Apache Incubator

Resending with correct subject. Hi All, This vote passed with the following result: +1(binding):Henry Saputra, Julian Hyde, Chris Nauroth, Lars Hofhansl, Roman Shaposhnik, Jake Farrell, Amareshwari Sriramdasu, Alan D. Cabrera, Bertrand Delacretaz +0(binding):Sergio Fernandez +1(non binding):Amol

[VOTE][RESULT] Accept Concerted into the Apache Incubator

And again, sorry for the error in subject. ENOCOFFEE Hi All, This vote passed with the following result: +1(binding):Henry Saputra, Julian Hyde, Chris Nauroth, Lars Hofhansl, Roman Shaposhnik, Jake Farrell, Amareshwari Sriramdasu, Alan D. Cabrera, Bertrand Delacretaz +0(binding):Sergio Fernande

Re: Mentor disengagement - a suggestion

For me, I consider being a mentor as I do being a member of a PMC. Occasionally one simply lacks cycles to be actively involved, but one is involve enough to see that others *ARE* involved, and so I am "unconcerned" about my inactivity during those times. My understanding is that this is OK and it

Re: A question: Is it alright to say no to potential podlings?

> On Oct 13, 2015, at 3:59 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz > wrote: > > Hi, > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 9:46 AM, Andrew Bayer wrote: >> ...Can we think of some examples in recent years of potential podlings >> getting >> to the point of a serious DISCUSS thread but not making it to a vote?.. > > I

Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Oct 2015 ([ppmc])

Hi folks! I’m currently working on a few BatchEE fixes but got no time to write the report this time. Is it ok to report next months? txs and LieGrue, strub > Am 05.10.2015 um 16:17 schrieb Marvin : > > > > Dear podling, > > This email was sent by an automated system on behalf of the Apach

Re: Mentor disengagement - a suggestion

On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 6:37 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: > On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 11:06 AM, Rich Bowen wrote: >> >> On 10/12/2015 10:10 AM, Emmanuel Lécharny wrote: >>> >>> Regarding inactive mentors, this is quite simple : we have a monthly >>> report that has to be signed off by mentors, if one mentor

Re: A question: Is it alright to say no to potential podlings?

It is very common for a project as initially proposed to be rejected during initial champion counseling or during discussion. If problematic aspects are mitigated or mentors sign up for extra care, this rarely results in a complete stop of the incubation, however. As with all Apache processes, th

Re: A question: Is it alright to say no to potential podlings?

Yeah, that's just it... If a project gets to the 'vote for Incubation' phase, there's a real good chance that all the non-viable and non-acceptable proposals have either been modified or simply rejected before it even gets that far. > On Oct 13, 2015, at 8:32 AM, Ted Dunning wrote: > > It is ve

Re: Advice on LICENSE/NOTICE for Shaded Dependencies

Mark, that you for your reply. I've made the change that you recommended. You can see it here: https://github.com/apache/incubator-tinkerpop/blob/tp30/gremlin-console/src/main/LICENSE#L249-L250 On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 4:59 PM, Mark Thomas wrote: > On 09/10/2015 19:12, Stephen Mallette wrote:

Re: Mentor disengagement - a suggestion

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 7:19 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > For me, I consider being a mentor as I do being a member of a PMC. > Occasionally one simply lacks cycles to be actively involved, but > one is involve enough to see that others *ARE* involved, and so I > am "unconcerned" about my inactivity

Re: Mentor disengagement - a suggestion

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 8:28 AM, Tim Williams wrote: > On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 6:37 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: >> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 11:06 AM, Rich Bowen wrote: >>> >>> On 10/12/2015 10:10 AM, Emmanuel Lécharny wrote: Regarding inactive mentors, this is quite simple : we have a monthly >

Re: A question: Is it alright to say no to potential podlings?

But - and I wanna be very clear that this is a hypothetical - if I were to still have significant concerns (either ones that weren't addressed in the DISCUSS thread or I missed the DISCUSS thread, etc), it'd still be socially permissible (not just procedurally permissible) to -1 a VOTE? I ask 'cos,

RE: A question: Is it alright to say no to potential podlings?

If a project has infra requirements that are not “standard” for the ASF then these should, IMHO, be uncovered by the champion/mentors prior to proposal. If missed there then the discuss phase should uncover them. These should then be discussed with the infra team prior to vote. Ross Sent

Re: A question: Is it alright to say no to potential podlings?

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 4:32 PM, Andrew Bayer wrote: > ...I want to be sure I can still -1 it without being > turned into a pariah in the process. =)... I don't see a problem with a -1 when voting to accept a podling. As those are majority votes that wouldn't be a veto, but if a suitable justifi

Re: A question: Is it alright to say no to potential podlings?

On 10/13/2015 04:37 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 4:32 PM, Andrew Bayer wrote: >> ...I want to be sure I can still -1 it without being >> turned into a pariah in the process. =)... > > I don't see a problem with a -1 when voting to accept a podling. > > As those are ma

Re: A question: Is it alright to say no to potential podlings?

On 10/13/2015 04:40 PM, Daniel Gruno wrote: > On 10/13/2015 04:37 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: >> On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 4:32 PM, Andrew Bayer wrote: >>> ...I want to be sure I can still -1 it without being >>> turned into a pariah in the process. =)... >> >> I don't see a problem with a -1 whe

Re: A question: Is it alright to say no to potential podlings?

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Andrew Bayer wrote: > But - and I wanna be very clear that this is a hypothetical - if I were to > still have significant concerns (either ones that weren't addressed in the > DISCUSS thread or I missed the DISCUSS thread, etc), it'd still be socially > permissible

Re: Mentor disengagement - a suggestion

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: > On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 8:28 AM, Tim Williams wrote: >> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 6:37 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: >>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 11:06 AM, Rich Bowen wrote: On 10/12/2015 10:10 AM, Emmanuel Lécharny wrote: > > Regarding in

Re: A question: Is it alright to say no to potential podlings?

> On Oct 13, 2015, at 10:32 AM, Andrew Bayer wrote: > > But - and I wanna be very clear that this is a hypothetical - if I were to > still have significant concerns (either ones that weren't addressed in the > DISCUSS thread or I missed the DISCUSS thread, etc), it'd still be socially > permissi

Re: A question: Is it alright to say no to potential podlings?

Thanks - just wanted to make sure. =) A. On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 4:56 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > > > On Oct 13, 2015, at 10:32 AM, Andrew Bayer > wrote: > > > > But - and I wanna be very clear that this is a hypothetical - if I were > to > > still have significant concerns (either ones that we

Re: A question: Is it alright to say no to potential podlings?

Where is that template kept? A. On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz < bdelacre...@apache.org> wrote: > On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Andrew Bayer > wrote: > > ...Would it be reasonable to add a section to the proposal template > covering > > infrastructural requirements/ex

RE: A question: Is it alright to say no to potential podlings?

http://incubator.apache.org/guides/proposal.html#proposal-template -Original Message- From: Andrew Bayer [mailto:andrew.ba...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 8:04 AM To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: A question: Is it alright to say no to potential podlings? Where

Re: A question: Is it alright to say no to potential podlings?

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 4:40 PM, Daniel Gruno wrote: > ...On a related note; Am I correct in interpreting the rules such that > graduation requires consensus, and thus -1 would be a veto?... Even if the docs mentioned consensus, in Apache projects that means "widespread agreement among people who

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache AsterixDB 0.8.7-incubating (RC3)

+1 (Binding) On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 10:16 PM, Ian Maxon wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Please verify and vote on the first full Apache AsterixDB release! > This candidate addresses some of the differences that were noticed > between the tagged commit in git and the source packaging. > > The tag to be

Re: A question: Is it alright to say no to potential podlings?

The social pressure is likely to be there, but I would definitely stand up for the expectation that you *should* vote -1 if you really do have a concern. That said, there is also a strong push back against ending the discussion too early precisely because of the possibility somebody with an import

Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Oct 2015 ([ppmc])

It isn't OK. It may have to happen, but it isn't really OK. Why are you the only one who can write this report? On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 4:48 AM, Mark Struberg wrote: > Hi folks! > > I’m currently working on a few BatchEE fixes but got no time to write the > report this time. > Is it ok to rep

Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Oct 2015 ([ppmc])

written Romain Manni-Bucau @rmannibucau | Blog | Github | LinkedIn | Tomitriber 2015-10-13 19:10 GMT+02:00 Ted Dunning : >

RE: [VOTE] Release Apache REEF 0.13.0-incubating (rc1)

Daniel, thank you for your checks. C# files which are missing license headers are autogenerated from corresponding Avro/Protobuf files. BSD license comes with NSubstitute library. We could really use two more IPMC votes :-) -Mariia -Original Message- From: Daniel Gruno [mailto:humbed.

Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Oct 2015 ([ppmc])

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 5:10 PM, Ted Dunning wrote: > It isn't OK. It may have to happen, but it isn't really OK. Looks like this got written, but I'm not sure why such an unforgiving stance - this happens fairly often on TLPs and the board is always gracious and understanding. Thanks, --tim --

RE: [VOTE] Release Apache REEF 0.13.0-incubating (rc1)

+1 (based only on an IP validation) The community need to address the items below, but they are not blockers. Ross -Original Message- From: Mariia Mykhailova [mailto:mamyk...@microsoft.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 10:52 AM To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: RE: [VOTE] Rel

Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Oct 2015 ([ppmc])

It’s not only me who can write the report. But it happened that I took care of it a few times in the past. And not only for BatchEE but also a few TLP who fell short on reporting. So don’t blame me for being the one who cares… As we already explained in an earlier report: BatchEE is pretty much

Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Oct 2015 ([ppmc])

It isn't an unforgiving stance. It is just that it isn't very OK to let this slide. A podling has 3 months to write this report. It shouldn't be a surprise that it is coming back around. Much of the data can be pulled semi-automatically. So it isn't a big deal to do this. And it provides a very

Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Oct 2015 ([ppmc])

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 11:15 AM, Mark Struberg wrote: > It’s not only me who can write the report. > That is great to hear. > But it happened that I took care of it a few times in the past. And not > only for BatchEE but also a few TLP who fell short on reporting. So don’t > blame me for bein

Re: A question: Is it alright to say no to potential podlings?

Just a note to chime in specifically on Mynewt. The simulated tests are very low overhead, its a single process that requires a virtual timer (i.e. elapsed runtime from OS scheduler vs real time) at a 1ms tick. There is no requirement to have physical hardware testing within the ASF project itsel

[RESULT][VOTE] Release Apache AsterixDB 0.8.7-incubating (RC3)

The vote for releasing Apache AsterixDB 0.8.7-incubating passed with: 3 binding +1s, 0 non-binding +1s, and 0 -1 or +/-0 votes. Binding +1s: Till Westmann Ate Douma Jochen Wiedmann Many thanks to our mentors and those that audited this release (and again, stay tuned for the next release with bin

Re: Mentor disengagement - a suggestion

It's not activity on the dev list, or even report signoffs, that matter most. Podlings, especially new podlings, have lots and lots of questions, especially about infrastructure. Without at least two responsive mentors to field those questions you feel like banging your head on the wall. And you st

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache AsterixDB 0.8.7-incubating (RC3)

How did you sign the release artifact? I do not see KEYS file in the dev dist directory. - Henry On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 3:32 PM, Ian Maxon wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Please verify and vote on the first release of Apache AsterixDB . This is > our first incubating release for this part of the code

RE: Mentor disengagement - a suggestion

+1000 (though I would argue a single highly committed mentor is sufficient) -Original Message- From: Julian Hyde [mailto:jh...@apache.org] Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 9:46 PM To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Mentor disengagement - a suggestion It's not activity on the de

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache AsterixDB 0.8.7-incubating (RC3)

The KEYS file is in https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/asterixdb/ Do we need one in https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/asterixdb/ as well? Thanks, Till On 13 Oct 2015, at 22:07, Henry Saputra wrote: How did you sign the release artifact? I do not see KEYS file

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache AsterixDB 0.8.7-incubating (RC3)

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 10:52 PM, Till Westmann wrote: > The KEYS file is in > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/asterixdb/ > > Do we need one in > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/asterixdb/ > as well? The one in release/ is required, but there's no need for on

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache AsterixDB 0.8.7-incubating (RC3)

Thanks, I should have looked in the release directory. - Henry On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 10:57 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: > On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 10:52 PM, Till Westmann wrote: >> The KEYS file is in >> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/asterixdb/ >> >> Do we need one in >> h