Dude,
On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 06:29:52PM +1100, David Crossley wrote:
Here is the result of my experiment ...
...
Thanks to the Forrest project for the new abilities.
+1. Amazing. Kudos to you and the other forrest peeps for turing complaints
into feature requests and implementing the right
On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 10:15:23AM +0100, David N. Welton wrote:
Leo Simons wrote:
From an incubator point of view, one other alternative mechanism to edit
on wiki, e-mail to list would be send to list, add to SVN, submit patches
to mailing list, commit patches to SVN, send to list
-1.
* There is no proposal in this email nor a URL reference to one. It
looks like an attachment was stripped or something. Attachments suck.
* it should have a different name from AJAX toolkit (and someone
should update whatever docs we have to note that projects should have
distinctive
Hi gang,
On Fri, Dec 30, 2005 at 09:54:44PM -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
What shall we do then in incubator? Any idea for a productive outcome?
Either see what improvements we can get from Forrest, or convert to anakia
and have a less sophisticated site.
Personally, I'd like to see if
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I missed this originally...Noel told me to go respond anyway...
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David Crossley wrote on Fri, 4 Nov 2005 17:31:58 +1100:
snip/
Now on to the issues with using Forrest.
Yes we know that it is a little
OK ok ok ok. Enough already. Done and done. The incubator has more pressing
things
to worry about right now besides site generation tools. Please drop this thread
or
take it elsewhere (I suggested site-dev@ before).
Gaah. Apologies to all for opening up a can of worms. My goal with spending
On Fri, Dec 30, 2005 at 08:21:32AM -0800, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
On Fri, Dec 30, 2005 at 11:12:14AM -0500, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
What shall we do then in incubator? Any idea for a productive outcome?
Switch the incubator to anakia. =)
Yup.
FWIW, Brett claims that Maven 2 gives up
On Sat, Dec 24, 2005 at 01:22:16PM +0800, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
On Saturday 24 December 2005 12:51, Sergey Vladimirov wrote:
No, the project was not retired. It was suspended due to none of
commiters were available.
We would like to stay as Apache Incubator Project for some time (and move
Hi gang,
I agree with Roy from a policy point of view. From a pragmatism point
of view I think the policy is we SHOULD preserve history for existing
open source projects, but not a MUST, because of the technical
difficulties (with SVN, no doubt solvable. With some other stuff (eg
bugzilla), less
Sergey,
On Tue, Dec 27, 2005 at 02:04:36PM +0300, Sergey Vladimirov wrote:
2005/12/27, Leo Simons [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
If the people interested in
the codebase are not so interested in doing things the apache way and
want to
take it elsewhere, that is fine too.
I think it is possible
On Tue, Dec 27, 2005 at 04:17:37PM +0100, Thomas Dudziak wrote:
since I'm rather new to this, I don't have a deep understanding of the
problems you're trying to solve.
None is needed, the problem is very simple.
However, to my naive understanding its two things:
* make the process of
Mike, dude...
On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 10:32:25PM -0500, Mike Milinkovich wrote:
Hmm. I think your email is more puzzling to me than the
original proposal :-) (A heavyweight java-based IDE for doing
what's essentially designed as lightweight stuff...
It seems that your understanding of
On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 04:49:29PM -0800, Martin Cooper wrote:
Some comments:
snip/
On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 10:54:03AM +0100, Rapha?l Luta wrote:
To me it raises all the possible incubation warning bells:
snip/
Two convincing posts.
In summary I see this proposal as a high risk, low value
On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 10:59:11AM +, James Strachan wrote:
On 20 Dec 2005, at 19:33, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
It's not actually a dumb question, but rather one that I always
took for granted... I realized when asked by Alan that we never had
the need to codify it...
Yeah - I've
On Sat, Dec 17, 2005 at 11:49:14PM -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Please vote on the following:
New mailing lists should be created under the
@incubator.apache.org domain, just as all of
the other project resources, e.g., the web
site and SVN subtree.
+0
(...)
There has been some
On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 04:19:21PM -0800, Dain Sundstrom wrote:
Give me a break.
No. The incubator PMC has given breaks before and it let to undesired
side effects so now we're not going to do that anymore.
I'm not trying to hide anything.
In general, when discussing policy or a general
On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 04:14:22PM +0100, Sylvain Wallez wrote:
I'm quite puzzled by this proposal. As I understand it, its mainly about
a set of Eclipse plugins for Ajax applications and the Zimbra library
that, among other features, provides a set of SWT-like widgets.
How is that puzzling?
Hi gang!
I wrote this this morning, thought there might be a significant
enough number of people on this list to warrant forwarding it
here, since people seemed to enjoy reading it.
cheers!
Leo
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On Sat, Sep 17, 2005 at 10:16:52AM +0200, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
Note that over at Cocoon we make an important distinction between
a) having commit rights to the code repository
and
b) being a committer, in the sense of having a demonstrated committment
to the project, voting rights,
On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 08:16:49PM +1000, David Crossley wrote:
One thing that is bothering at the ASF is not having a
clear definition of the various roles.
Hmmm. I think there's a lot of people not bothered though. Not being clear may
even serve a purpose.
We seem to be having endless
On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 09:20:46AM -0600, Martin Sebor wrote:
Thank you both for all the links, they will be handy at some point.
Right now, though, it's the PPMC info that I'm most interested in.
In particular, I would like to know who the members of the stdcxx
PPMC are.
These should be
*
Martin Sebor wrote:
I have a few questions about PPMCs that I can't find answers to
in the documentation. Could someone help me with the answers?
1. Where do I get the member list for a given PPMC (such as stdcxx)?
There is a facility for that kind of info that Ken Coar provides at
On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 11:01:29AM -0700, Cliff Schmidt wrote:
I'd like to suggest a few changes to the process of approving new
project proposals.
I think I like your goals and some of your plans, but question whether
its smart to paint this as changes to process. Just see how far you
get with
On Fri, Sep 02, 2005 at 02:16:58PM -0700, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
I'm not really clear what the approval process is here on the part of the
full Incubator PMC. Bill, do you know? Or, is it hidden on the website
somewhere? ;-) -- justin
We vote. You know, 3 +1s, stuff, like httpd has
On 02-09-2005 04:28, Davanum Srinivas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Several people on WS-PMC offered to help infra. They were turned down
as they are not members.
NACK. There are lots of ways to help. I remember writing several e-mails
detailing how. There are several non-members actively helping
On 02-09-2005 08:27, Sanjiva Weerawarana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 2005-09-02 at 14:19 +0800, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
Now, I have suggested before, and still do, that infra starts/becomes a
standard ASF project, source code, site, jira, wiki, dev mailing list and all
the normal setup,
Niclas,
On 02-09-2005 17:25, Niclas Hedhman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I honestly don't feel like fueling this thread, so please don't hesitate to
say I am outright stupid and don't know what I am talking about, and I'll
shut up as a good citizen... My intention is not to whine.
In that case
Hi gang!
For people with no time to read any further: if you're, as a committer,
relatively new to apache, you should subscribe to infrastructure _at_
apache _dot_ org using your @apache.org e-mail address and spend some
time reading http://www.apache.org/dev/.
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On 24-08-2005 03:28, Paul Hammant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Who is admin for issues.apache.org ?
50+ people can do jira admin. Make your requests right here, if they're not
handled escalate to infrastructure at apache dot org, or file an issue in
the INFRA jira.
For other stuff (eg bugzilla),
Cliff Schmidt wrote:
On 8/10/05, Leo Simons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Cliff Schmidt wrote:
On 8/8/05, Roy T. Fielding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't mind an incubating project making verifiable releases with
proper voting and the appropriate disclaimers.
I completely agree, and I believe
Cliff Schmidt wrote:
On 8/8/05, Roy T. Fielding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't mind an incubating project making verifiable releases with
proper voting and the appropriate disclaimers.
I completely agree, and I believe this is exactly what projects want to do.
Are there any PMC members
On 07-08-2005 05:41, Craig Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If the group name is intended to reflect the actual root package name, then
org.apache.jdo would seem correct. If it's not, perhaps someone can offer
some pointers to where the discussion took place so I could understand it
better.
On 05-08-2005 11:45, Tim Ellison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tell me if I'm just being dumb
No you are not.
We'll look into it.
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On 14-07-2005 04:30, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 7/11/05, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2) How much of the Incubator process would apply to Commons?
All of it.
Many of
the exit conditions are automatically passed just by being a part of
Commons.
On 31-05-2005 03:51, Eddie O'Neil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've heard a couple of times that it's not possible to do a -final
release from the Incubator, but I've also heard some suggest that it
could be possible.
Nope.
Didn't Derby do one of these in December 2004 as per:
On 13-05-2005 23:27, Heidi Buelow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Proposal for an Apache-run version of the C++ Standard Library
Kewl. Seems like a big undertaking :-)
(...)
(5) identify apache sponsoring individual
Justin Erenkrantz (justin @ erenkrantz dot-com)
Which is why having another
On 22-04-2005 13:47, Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Apr 18, 2005, at 12:59 PM, Cliff Schmidt wrote:
...
I'd love to see what some people think about the community - go look at
the lists. That is what I looked at first, and it gave me confidence.
Derby seems to be doing well
Leo Simons wrote:
Please vote on the Castle incubation proposal:
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/CastleProposal
binding votes:
+1 - 1 vote
-1 - 1 vote
non binding votes:
+1 - few more
That means the proposal is not accepted. The basic reason is that the
Castle developer group is currently
Hi all!
hammett wrote:
I've submitted the first draft for your appreciation.
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/CastleProposal
Looking forward to hearing from you! :-)
I conditionally volunteer to mentor this project. I know Hammett as a
good developer and community player. While I don't know
hammett wrote:
Finally, I saw something mentioned about XProject in the proposal.
Does that refer to http://sourceforge.net/projects/xproject?? Correct me
if I'm wrong, but that seems rather dead and empty. Why not just use jira?
No, its not. XProject is a project from the company we (me and a few
hammett wrote:
Is there any more things I need to do to start the process?
We could wait a few more days for some more feedback and proposal
changes (maybe people like William and Brian want to add their name to
the committer list?), or you guys could finalize the proposal and we
start an
Roy T. Fielding wrote:
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/JcrProposal
Please cast your vote as +1 (yes), -1 (no), or something in between.
+1
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Stephen McConnell wrote:
Stephen McConnell wrote:
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
unnecessary and unwarranted disruption of an incubator project
Let it go.
snip/
I would like to retract my comments above.
good! This sounds like progress. Is the issue now resolved as far as the
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Sander Striker wrote:
I'd like to call for a vote to graduate SpamAssassin from the
Incubator.
looking at the status file
! Verify distribution rights
|| date || item
| -..-.. | Check and make sure that for all code included with the
distribution that is not under the Apache license, we
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
So please explain why we should have a incubator release while there are still
so many questions regarding the viability of the community?
IMHO lenya making this release (according to the rules set for it) is
part of an ongoing effort by lenya to make the community more
Michael Wechner wrote:
Leo Simons wrote:
In this case, Noel has raised some perfectly valid concerns about
files living on http://www.apache.org/dist/ without a PMC putting them
there (which is a *big thing*, for legal and other reasons). If I were
lenya, I wouldn't complain about constraints
Frankly: it is because of this apparent shift in attitude that I'm
feeling Lenya is finally getting ready.
yeah, baby, yeah! Let's add checkmarks next to:
# Demonstrate ability to tolerate and resolve conflict within the
community.
# Release plans are developed and excuted in public by
Cliff Schmidt wrote:
The more quantitative it is, the more a new project can know what they
have ahead of them and the less familiarity with the project's community
is required to cast an informed vote on graduation (just look up the
numbers).
I know an example or two of unhealthy communites
Rolf Kulemann wrote:
With this mail the community wants to carry out (1) the formal request
for the endorsement of our mentors, Stefano and Steven, and (2) the
request for release approval at the incubator pmc as defined in the
incubation policy.
+1
- Leo Simons
Cliff Schmidt wrote:
Roy T. Fielding wrote on Friday, June 11, 2004 2:24 PM:
On Friday, June 11, 2004, at 04:01 AM, Leo Simons wrote:
[is the rule that a project just needs 3 independent committers, or
is there an additional rule that no more than 50% of the committers
must be part of a single
Leo Simons wrote:
besides the incubator policy docs, you can see application of them to
several projects in the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list archives.
someone requested an example:
http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=771976
cheers,
- Leo
[is the rule that a project just needs 3 independent committers, or is
there an additional rule that no more than 50% of the committers must be
part of a single company?]
IIRC that 50% rule applies, but IANAL. Roy, Nicola?
Rolf Kulemann wrote:
On Fri, 2004-06-11 at 12:11, Gregor J. Rothfuss
Nicola wrote:
Is that we are wrongly accepting projects that do not have a
sufficiently big community? IOW, should we only accept projects the
community size/diversity of which we would deem ok for graduation (as
it has been IIRC always for Jakarta subprojects)?
I don't know. This people
Hi gang!
someone still needs to go in and update the details related to geronimo
in the incubator cvs module.
cheers,
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Hi gang!
Some Stats
--
Taking a look at
http://incubator.apache.org/projects/
we have 12 projects under incubation (listed as 13 but geronimo info
needs updating). Of these, 6 projects, namely
AltRMI
FtpServer
Lenya
Depot
WSRP4J
XMLBeans
have been incubating for 6 months
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
[ X ] +1 - The Geronimo project has met the requirements
for incubation and will be recommended to the
board for TLP status
it's about time :-D
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group as well.
hehehe. do ask for an ASF-wide license too ;)
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Steve Viens wrote: [Graduate jUDDI from the Apache Incubator]
I'll have to +0 this one as I haven't kept track of jUDDI at all. Good
luck fellas!
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Roy T. Fielding wrote:
Dims, as I have mentioned before, we cannot vote on such things
on a private list
for the record: +1
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(invested by various people, including me) than just
taking care of the paperwork. And that kind of discussion is less fun
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Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Leo Simons wrote:
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Seems like Gump will be going TLP. I am just going to unofficially start
incubation while votes take place, procedures are hammered out, etc etc.
Projects being promoted to TLP don't have to go through the Incubator.
Normative
it'd be good to be more conservative about signatures, large parts
of apache aren't at the moment. So I'm not sure its an issue the
Incubator needs to solve...more something for the entire ASF.
IMHO!
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things, present an argument, run and tally
the vote, etc.
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, so those 4 hours
spent count double IMHO.
Do with this data what you please. The conclusion I personally draw from
it is we should stop complaining about process, and JFDI.
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(!), and
others...they all are used to fill similar roles.
It might be a good idea for you to review these projects and investigate
possible co-operation with one or more of these.
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Matt Liotta wrote:
I didn't see a reply from anyone in regard to my message below. Just
curious if the interested parties have seen it.
saw your message, no time to look at it yet, sorry. I've flagged things
for follow-up later on.
busy as always :D
cheers,
- Leo Simons
for Supercomputing
Applications, University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign.
yes.
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Niclas Hedhman wrote:
On Thursday 08 January 2004 07:47, Leo Simons wrote:
Do we require a PMC vote on that as well? If so, should that vote occur
before or after the initial import?
My proposal is that we do a combined vote at the Avalon PMC;
* Acceptance of this codebase
with
* Andreas
? If so, should that vote occur
before or after the initial import?
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CLA was sent in kind-of last year, and according to Andreas teh software
grant has also been faxed in by now.
good! We'll have to wait for an acknowledgement from the secretary (Jim)
that its in. In the meantime, lets do the code audit :D
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Hi Matt,
(IANAL)
Matt Liotta wrote:
Thanks for all the responses. At this point, I am reluctant to release
the code under an Apache style license without a community behind it.
I don't want to see our code go into some proprietary project and
never benefit the community because the actual
Stephen McConnell wrote:
Berin Lautenbach wrote:
Leo Simons wrote:
IMHO, as long as a project still requires a point man (or
as long as the PMC still requires such a person in order to
be kept up to date of what is happening in the directory
project), the project is not ready for graduation
Berin Lautenbach wrote:
Leo Simons wrote:
Absolutely! A good test of maturity. If the mentor is doing
absolutely nothing and things are going well, then there is no need
for a mentor and quite possibly no need for the project to be in
incubation anymore.
Exactly!
So you are saying
Stephen McConnell wrote:
My response was related to the on-going debate about invididuals
versus group reponsibilities. What I described is role of an
individual lined to both an incubating project and to Apache at
large. I descibed the benefit that such a real-person can bring to
a new
Hi gang!
I'll be with my folks this christmas, so won't be reading e-mail until
dec 30 or so. To everyone:
Gozhqq Keshmish!*
- Leo Simons
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Rodney Waldhoff wrote:
The Axion Database project has voted to become a part of the Apache DB
project, and the DB PMC has accepted that proposal. (See below for the
proposal and additional information.)
[ X ] +1 Accept the Axion for incubation.
[ ] 0 Abstain
[ ] -1 Reject Axion for incubation, I
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
Hence I ask to vote
It's a big thing to vote on all at once. I still have
question marks with some points. What I'm looking
for is some signal that we are moving in a direction
where the TLPs will actually *want* to follow
incubation procedure (which would be a good sign
Jay Zylstra wrote:
I'll interpret the lack of response to mean this idea doesn't fit
Apache. Okay. But since the need remains for a free gallery of common
Web app icons (document, search, print, etc.), does anyone have a
suggestion of where such a project would fit, or is anyone aware of an
Jason van Zyl wrote:
I would propose those documents be changed to state that what is
outlined above is a prerequisite for entry into the incubator.
Is this something that requires a member vote as it affects everyone
here because the production of useful software is what we're doing here
at
Jason van Zyl wrote:
What's going to happen with AltRMI and the FtpServer? They just sit in
the incubator indefinitely? There's no IP issues as these came from
within Apache anyway? If an incubated codebase has no slated home within
then I would ask how it even landed here in the first place?
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
It should be left up to the project unless Geronimo is truly deemed
inappropriate.
The developers may wish to avoid the whole issue by renaming the
codebase to something else but not be forced out of the name
because it's perceived to be controversial by some.
Aaron Bannert wrote:
On Sun, Nov 30, 2003 at 08:53:55PM +0100, Leo Simons wrote:
Aaron Bannert wrote:
[ -0 ] - Let them keep Geronimo as the official name.
[ -0 ] - Punt the decision to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[ -1 ] - Disallow Geronimo but allow the committers to come up with any
other name
Jason van Zyl wrote:
what exactly do you doubt?
That somewhere between getting access and now, in your moment of fire of
trying to get something done you were stopped in your tracks because you
were probably waiting on something else to happen first. I should have
explained that better. My
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
Other votes?
+1, generally agreeing with all other comments made so far.
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Jason van Zyl wrote:
I only say at the sheer frustration of watching it take an eon to get a
Wiki setup and JIRA.
maybe that's because you're watching :D
seriously...some food for thought perhaps...
the wiki is the first bit of ASF infrastructure I'm getting more than
passively involved in.
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
Committers could be given commit access long before having project
member status, and would thus be able to commit but not vote. This
makes it possible to keep a high bar for membership of the project but
a lower bar for committing.
Is this possible/wanted?
I think
Noel made an interesting suggestion on the PMC list:
---
Alternatively, the PPMC could consist of the Incubator PMC, the destination
PMC (in cases where there is one), and project Committers. In that case,
there is a single streamlined process, without additional interconnects.
This does have the
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
What do others think?
Two options:
1) do a transparent rewrite of incubator.apache.org/lenya
to cocoon.apache.org/lenya (ie, not a redirect)
2) search-and-replace to replace links to cocoon.apache.org/lenya
with incubator.apache.org/lenya
or
assert* whether lenya
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
What do you think?
+1 to redundancy. -0 on making it an 'absolute' requirement.
We need to make sure we ourselves don't get so completely
lost in figuring out the right process that there is no energy
left to apply it.
cheers!
- Leo
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
Proposal:
1 - every project site sources stay in the project CVS
sure.
2 - every project has this URL space where to publish the site:
http://incubator.apache.org/projectname
+1 (or under the wings of their TLP if they wish)
3 - every project has an incubation
Roy T. Fielding wrote:
The /www/incubator.apache.org/ directory tree on minotaur contains
both a checked-out incubator-site *and* the generated output of a
forrestbot via incubator. It obviously can't be both.
or can it be?
IIRC, forrestbot just generates the website, then commits changes to
Henri Yandell wrote:
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Roy T. Fielding wrote:
Personally, I've had my fill of this kind of crap being left on
our public infrastructure. I shouldn't have to wait days to update
a trivial website. If someone doesn't beat me to it, I am going to
replace it with Anakia
I have also posted detailed instructions to the geronimo list
describing how to get the geronimo site built and committed in
the appropriate location:
http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL PROTECTED]msgNo=4475
None of the committers felt like answering at the time :/
I maintain that its best
Berin Lautenbach wrote:
However - I have absolutely no wish to drag this out.
+1. You're doing the work, there's no strong objections (just
what probably will be proven to be very subtle differences of
opinion if we do drag this out), so just get on with it. We can
always change it later!
cheers,
Hi gang,
I received an e-mail directed to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
this morning. That must mean I'm subscribed :D. I also saw
my (mispelled!) name on the website under the heading
PMC.
Neat (happy to be here!), but I must say I'm a bit puzzled
with how that came to be. Here's what happened:
I wasn't
Hi gang,
it's puzzled me how much effort some of us have been putting
in /normative/ documentation of policy, process, roles and
responsibilities. It must be a programmer thing :D
soapbox
Who needs normative documentation? Why?
- the board knows what incubation means
- the incubator PMC knows
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