Re: Incubator site status wrt a move to Anakia?

2006-01-18 Thread Leo Simons
Dude, On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 06:29:52PM +1100, David Crossley wrote: Here is the result of my experiment ... ... Thanks to the Forrest project for the new abilities. +1. Amazing. Kudos to you and the other forrest peeps for turing complaints into feature requests and implementing the right

Re: (in)appropriate wiki use

2006-01-18 Thread Leo Simons
On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 10:15:23AM +0100, David N. Welton wrote: Leo Simons wrote: From an incubator point of view, one other alternative mechanism to edit on wiki, e-mail to list would be send to list, add to SVN, submit patches to mailing list, commit patches to SVN, send to list

Re: [VOTE] AJAX Toolkit Proposal - Updated

2006-01-16 Thread Leo Simons
-1. * There is no proposal in this email nor a URL reference to one. It looks like an attachment was stripped or something. Attachments suck. * it should have a different name from AJAX toolkit (and someone should update whatever docs we have to note that projects should have distinctive

Re: [RT] Super Simple Site Generation Tool

2005-12-31 Thread Leo Simons
Hi gang, On Fri, Dec 30, 2005 at 09:54:44PM -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote: What shall we do then in incubator? Any idea for a productive outcome? Either see what improvements we can get from Forrest, or convert to anakia and have a less sophisticated site. Personally, I'd like to see if

Fwd: simplifying the generation of Incubator website

2005-12-31 Thread Leo Simons
- Forwarded message from David Crossley [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: David Crossley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 17:31:58 +1100 Subject: simplifying the generation of Incubator website To: general@incubator.apache.org Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org List-Id:

Re: simplifying the generation of Incubator website

2005-12-31 Thread Leo Simons
I missed this originally...Noel told me to go respond anyway... http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/200512.mbox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] David Crossley wrote on Fri, 4 Nov 2005 17:31:58 +1100: snip/ Now on to the issues with using Forrest. Yes we know that it is a little

Re: [RT] Super Simple Site Generation Tool

2005-12-30 Thread Leo Simons
OK ok ok ok. Enough already. Done and done. The incubator has more pressing things to worry about right now besides site generation tools. Please drop this thread or take it elsewhere (I suggested site-dev@ before). Gaah. Apologies to all for opening up a can of worms. My goal with spending

Re: [RT] Super Simple Site Generation Tool

2005-12-30 Thread Leo Simons
On Fri, Dec 30, 2005 at 08:21:32AM -0800, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: On Fri, Dec 30, 2005 at 11:12:14AM -0500, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: What shall we do then in incubator? Any idea for a productive outcome? Switch the incubator to anakia. =) Yup. FWIW, Brett claims that Maven 2 gives up

Re: FTPServer one more time

2005-12-27 Thread Leo Simons
On Sat, Dec 24, 2005 at 01:22:16PM +0800, Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Saturday 24 December 2005 12:51, Sergey Vladimirov wrote: No, the project was not retired. It was suspended due to none of commiters were available. We would like to stay as Apache Incubator Project for some time (and move

Re: [policy] bring in full code history on incubated project?

2005-12-27 Thread Leo Simons
Hi gang, I agree with Roy from a policy point of view. From a pragmatism point of view I think the policy is we SHOULD preserve history for existing open source projects, but not a MUST, because of the technical difficulties (with SVN, no doubt solvable. With some other stuff (eg bugzilla), less

Re: FTPServer one more time

2005-12-27 Thread Leo Simons
Sergey, On Tue, Dec 27, 2005 at 02:04:36PM +0300, Sergey Vladimirov wrote: 2005/12/27, Leo Simons [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If the people interested in the codebase are not so interested in doing things the apache way and want to take it elsewhere, that is fine too. I think it is possible

Re: [RT] Super Simple Site Generation Tool

2005-12-27 Thread Leo Simons
On Tue, Dec 27, 2005 at 04:17:37PM +0100, Thomas Dudziak wrote: since I'm rather new to this, I don't have a deep understanding of the problems you're trying to solve. None is needed, the problem is very simple. However, to my naive understanding its two things: * make the process of

Re: AJAX Toolkit Framework Proposal

2005-12-21 Thread Leo Simons
Mike, dude... On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 10:32:25PM -0500, Mike Milinkovich wrote: Hmm. I think your email is more puzzling to me than the original proposal :-) (A heavyweight java-based IDE for doing what's essentially designed as lightweight stuff... It seems that your understanding of

Closed for renovations (was:Re: AJAX Toolkit Framework Proposal)

2005-12-21 Thread Leo Simons
On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 04:49:29PM -0800, Martin Cooper wrote: Some comments: snip/ On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 10:54:03AM +0100, Rapha?l Luta wrote: To me it raises all the possible incubation warning bells: snip/ Two convincing posts. In summary I see this proposal as a high risk, low value

Re: Incubating java projects

2005-12-21 Thread Leo Simons
On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 10:59:11AM +, James Strachan wrote: On 20 Dec 2005, at 19:33, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: It's not actually a dumb question, but rather one that I always took for granted... I realized when asked by Alan that we never had the need to codify it... Yeah - I've

Re: [VOTE] @domain for Incubator mailing lists

2005-12-20 Thread Leo Simons
On Sat, Dec 17, 2005 at 11:49:14PM -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Please vote on the following: New mailing lists should be created under the @incubator.apache.org domain, just as all of the other project resources, e.g., the web site and SVN subtree. +0 (...) There has been some

Re: [VOTE] @domain for Incubator mailing lists

2005-12-20 Thread Leo Simons
On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 04:19:21PM -0800, Dain Sundstrom wrote: Give me a break. No. The incubator PMC has given breaks before and it let to undesired side effects so now we're not going to do that anymore. I'm not trying to hide anything. In general, when discussing policy or a general

Re: AJAX Toolkit Framework Proposal

2005-12-20 Thread Leo Simons
On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 04:14:22PM +0100, Sylvain Wallez wrote: I'm quite puzzled by this proposal. As I understand it, its mainly about a set of Eclipse plugins for Ajax applications and the Zimbra library that, among other features, provides a set of SWT-like widgets. How is that puzzling?

Fwd: Leadership and direction

2005-10-31 Thread Leo Simons
Hi gang! I wrote this this morning, thought there might be a significant enough number of people on this list to warrant forwarding it here, since people seemed to enjoy reading it. cheers! Leo - Forwarded message from Leo Simons [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Leo Simons [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Roles: user, committer, member, etc.

2005-09-17 Thread Leo Simons
On Sat, Sep 17, 2005 at 10:16:52AM +0200, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Note that over at Cocoon we make an important distinction between a) having commit rights to the code repository and b) being a committer, in the sense of having a demonstrated committment to the project, voting rights,

Re: Roles: user, committer, member, etc.

2005-09-13 Thread Leo Simons
On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 08:16:49PM +1000, David Crossley wrote: One thing that is bothering at the ASF is not having a clear definition of the various roles. Hmmm. I think there's a lot of people not bothered though. Not being clear may even serve a purpose. We seem to be having endless

Re: questions about PPMCs

2005-09-07 Thread Leo Simons
On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 09:20:46AM -0600, Martin Sebor wrote: Thank you both for all the links, they will be handy at some point. Right now, though, it's the PPMC info that I'm most interested in. In particular, I would like to know who the members of the stdcxx PPMC are. These should be *

Re: questions about PPMCs

2005-09-06 Thread Leo Simons
Martin Sebor wrote: I have a few questions about PPMCs that I can't find answers to in the documentation. Could someone help me with the answers? 1. Where do I get the member list for a given PPMC (such as stdcxx)? There is a facility for that kind of info that Ken Coar provides at

Re: a few steps before approving a project

2005-09-03 Thread Leo Simons
On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 11:01:29AM -0700, Cliff Schmidt wrote: I'd like to suggest a few changes to the process of approving new project proposals. I think I like your goals and some of your plans, but question whether its smart to paint this as changes to process. Just see how far you get with

Re: stdcxx snapshot

2005-09-03 Thread Leo Simons
On Fri, Sep 02, 2005 at 02:16:58PM -0700, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: I'm not really clear what the approval process is here on the part of the full Incubator PMC. Bill, do you know? Or, is it hidden on the website somewhere? ;-) -- justin We vote. You know, 3 +1s, stuff, like httpd has

Re: The Incubator and Infrastructure

2005-09-02 Thread Leo Simons
On 02-09-2005 04:28, Davanum Srinivas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Several people on WS-PMC offered to help infra. They were turned down as they are not members. NACK. There are lots of ways to help. I remember writing several e-mails detailing how. There are several non-members actively helping

Re: The Incubator and Infrastructure

2005-09-02 Thread Leo Simons
On 02-09-2005 08:27, Sanjiva Weerawarana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2005-09-02 at 14:19 +0800, Niclas Hedhman wrote: Now, I have suggested before, and still do, that infra starts/becomes a standard ASF project, source code, site, jira, wiki, dev mailing list and all the normal setup,

Re: The Incubator and Infrastructure

2005-09-02 Thread Leo Simons
Niclas, On 02-09-2005 17:25, Niclas Hedhman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I honestly don't feel like fueling this thread, so please don't hesitate to say I am outright stupid and don't know what I am talking about, and I'll shut up as a good citizen... My intention is not to whine. In that case

The Incubator and Infrastructure

2005-09-01 Thread Leo Simons
Hi gang! For people with no time to read any further: if you're, as a committer, relatively new to apache, you should subscribe to infrastructure _at_ apache _dot_ org using your @apache.org e-mail address and spend some time reading http://www.apache.org/dev/. --- Here's an [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: cvs2svn: altrmi + ftpserver

2005-08-24 Thread Leo Simons
On 24-08-2005 03:28, Paul Hammant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who is admin for issues.apache.org ? 50+ people can do jira admin. Make your requests right here, if they're not handled escalate to infrastructure at apache dot org, or file an issue in the INFRA jira. For other stuff (eg bugzilla),

Re: Incubating Project Releases (was Re: JDO2 Snapshots)

2005-08-16 Thread Leo Simons
Cliff Schmidt wrote: On 8/10/05, Leo Simons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cliff Schmidt wrote: On 8/8/05, Roy T. Fielding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't mind an incubating project making verifiable releases with proper voting and the appropriate disclaimers. I completely agree, and I believe

Re: Incubating Project Releases (was Re: JDO2 Snapshots)

2005-08-10 Thread Leo Simons
Cliff Schmidt wrote: On 8/8/05, Roy T. Fielding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't mind an incubating project making verifiable releases with proper voting and the appropriate disclaimers. I completely agree, and I believe this is exactly what projects want to do. Are there any PMC members

Re: JDO2 Snapshots

2005-08-07 Thread Leo Simons
On 07-08-2005 05:41, Craig Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the group name is intended to reflect the actual root package name, then org.apache.jdo would seem correct. If it's not, perhaps someone can offer some pointers to where the discussion took place so I could understand it better.

Re: searchable mailing list archives

2005-08-06 Thread Leo Simons
On 05-08-2005 11:45, Tim Ellison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tell me if I'm just being dumb No you are not. We'll look into it. - Leo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL

Re: Commons CSV

2005-07-14 Thread Leo Simons
On 14-07-2005 04:30, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/11/05, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2) How much of the Incubator process would apply to Commons? All of it. Many of the exit conditions are automatically passed just by being a part of Commons.

Re: releasing from incubator? -- was: Re: a beehive release and the JSR 181 TCK issue

2005-05-31 Thread Leo Simons
On 31-05-2005 03:51, Eddie O'Neil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've heard a couple of times that it's not possible to do a -final release from the Incubator, but I've also heard some suggest that it could be possible. Nope. Didn't Derby do one of these in December 2004 as per:

Re: Proposal for STDCXX

2005-05-15 Thread Leo Simons
On 13-05-2005 23:27, Heidi Buelow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Proposal for an Apache-run version of the C++ Standard Library Kewl. Seems like a big undertaking :-) (...) (5) identify apache sponsoring individual Justin Erenkrantz (justin @ erenkrantz dot-com) Which is why having another

Re: [VOTE] Graduate Derby from the incubator

2005-04-22 Thread Leo Simons
On 22-04-2005 13:47, Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 18, 2005, at 12:59 PM, Cliff Schmidt wrote: ... I'd love to see what some people think about the community - go look at the lists. That is what I looked at first, and it gave me confidence. Derby seems to be doing well

[VOTE-RESULT] Proposal for Castle

2004-10-24 Thread Leo Simons
Leo Simons wrote: Please vote on the Castle incubation proposal: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/CastleProposal binding votes: +1 - 1 vote -1 - 1 vote non binding votes: +1 - few more That means the proposal is not accepted. The basic reason is that the Castle developer group is currently

Re: Castle proposal

2004-10-03 Thread Leo Simons
Hi all! hammett wrote: I've submitted the first draft for your appreciation. http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/CastleProposal Looking forward to hearing from you! :-) I conditionally volunteer to mentor this project. I know Hammett as a good developer and community player. While I don't know

Re: Castle proposal

2004-10-03 Thread Leo Simons
hammett wrote: Finally, I saw something mentioned about XProject in the proposal. Does that refer to http://sourceforge.net/projects/xproject?? Correct me if I'm wrong, but that seems rather dead and empty. Why not just use jira? No, its not. XProject is a project from the company we (me and a few

Re: Castle proposal

2004-10-03 Thread Leo Simons
hammett wrote: Is there any more things I need to do to start the process? We could wait a few more days for some more feedback and proposal changes (maybe people like William and Brian want to add their name to the committer list?), or you guys could finalize the proposal and we start an

Re: [VOTE] Accept JCR for Incubation

2004-08-26 Thread Leo Simons
Roy T. Fielding wrote: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/JcrProposal Please cast your vote as +1 (yes), -1 (no), or something in between. +1 - Leo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail:

Re: [VOTE] Accept iBATIS for Incubation

2004-08-24 Thread Leo Simons
+0. Haven't had time to review. - Leo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Personal attacks and respect

2004-07-12 Thread Leo Simons
Stephen McConnell wrote: Stephen McConnell wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: unnecessary and unwarranted disruption of an incubator project Let it go. snip/ I would like to retract my comments above. good! This sounds like progress. Is the issue now resolved as far as the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list is

Re: resource usage

2004-07-08 Thread Leo Simons
wrong list! Sorry! - Leo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [VOTE] Graduate SpamAssassin from Incubator, recommend TLP

2004-06-21 Thread Leo Simons
Sander Striker wrote: I'd like to call for a vote to graduate SpamAssassin from the Incubator. looking at the status file ! Verify distribution rights || date || item | -..-.. | Check and make sure that for all code included with the distribution that is not under the Apache license, we

Re: [Summary ]Re: [TEST+VOTE] Lenya 1.2 Release

2004-06-14 Thread Leo Simons
Noel J. Bergman wrote: So please explain why we should have a incubator release while there are still so many questions regarding the viability of the community? IMHO lenya making this release (according to the rules set for it) is part of an ongoing effort by lenya to make the community more

Re: [Summary ]Re: [TEST+VOTE] Lenya 1.2 Release

2004-06-14 Thread Leo Simons
Michael Wechner wrote: Leo Simons wrote: In this case, Noel has raised some perfectly valid concerns about files living on http://www.apache.org/dist/ without a PMC putting them there (which is a *big thing*, for legal and other reasons). If I were lenya, I wouldn't complain about constraints

Re: [Summary ]Re: [TEST+VOTE] Lenya 1.2 Release

2004-06-14 Thread Leo Simons
Frankly: it is because of this apparent shift in attitude that I'm feeling Lenya is finally getting ready. yeah, baby, yeah! Let's add checkmarks next to: # Demonstrate ability to tolerate and resolve conflict within the community. # Release plans are developed and excuted in public by

Re: The 50% Rule

2004-06-14 Thread Leo Simons
Cliff Schmidt wrote: The more quantitative it is, the more a new project can know what they have ahead of them and the less familiarity with the project's community is required to cast an informed vote on graduation (just look up the numbers). I know an example or two of unhealthy communites

Re: [REQUEST] Lenya 1.2 release endorsement and approval

2004-06-13 Thread Leo Simons
Rolf Kulemann wrote: With this mail the community wants to carry out (1) the formal request for the endorsement of our mentors, Stefano and Steven, and (2) the request for release approval at the incubator pmc as defined in the incubation policy. +1 - Leo Simons

Re: The 50% Rule (was RE: [Summary ]Re: [TEST+VOTE] Lenya 1.2 Release)

2004-06-12 Thread Leo Simons
Cliff Schmidt wrote: Roy T. Fielding wrote on Friday, June 11, 2004 2:24 PM: On Friday, June 11, 2004, at 04:01 AM, Leo Simons wrote: [is the rule that a project just needs 3 independent committers, or is there an additional rule that no more than 50% of the committers must be part of a single

Re: Releasing Lenya 1.2

2004-06-11 Thread Leo Simons
Leo Simons wrote: besides the incubator policy docs, you can see application of them to several projects in the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list archives. someone requested an example: http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL PROTECTED]by=threadfrom=771976 cheers, - Leo

Re: [Summary ]Re: [TEST+VOTE] Lenya 1.2 Release

2004-06-11 Thread Leo Simons
[is the rule that a project just needs 3 independent committers, or is there an additional rule that no more than 50% of the committers must be part of a single company?] IIRC that 50% rule applies, but IANAL. Roy, Nicola? Rolf Kulemann wrote: On Fri, 2004-06-11 at 12:11, Gregor J. Rothfuss

Re: [RT] incubation time

2004-06-11 Thread Leo Simons
Nicola wrote: Is that we are wrongly accepting projects that do not have a sufficiently big community? IOW, should we only accept projects the community size/diversity of which we would deem ok for graduation (as it has been IIRC always for Jakarta subprojects)? I don't know. This people

please update incubator info

2004-06-10 Thread Leo Simons
Hi gang! someone still needs to go in and update the details related to geronimo in the incubator cvs module. cheers, - Leo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[RT] incubation time

2004-06-10 Thread Leo Simons
Hi gang! Some Stats -- Taking a look at http://incubator.apache.org/projects/ we have 12 projects under incubation (listed as 13 but geronimo info needs updating). Of these, 6 projects, namely AltRMI FtpServer Lenya Depot WSRP4J XMLBeans have been incubating for 6 months

Re: [VOTE] Graduate Geronimo from Incubator and recommend as top-level project

2004-05-21 Thread Leo Simons
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: [ X ] +1 - The Geronimo project has met the requirements for incubation and will be recommended to the board for TLP status it's about time :-D - Leo Simons - To unsubscribe, e-mail

Re: Questions regarding a Clover donation

2004-04-14 Thread Leo Simons
for our group as well. hehehe. do ask for an ASF-wide license too ;) -- cheers, - Leo Simons --- Weblog -- http://leosimons.com/ Component Community -- http://componentplanet.org/ Component Glue -- http

Re: New Incubee

2004-03-30 Thread Leo Simons
, - Leo Simons --- Weblog -- http://leosimons.com/ IoC Component Glue -- http://jicarilla.org/ Articles Opinions -- http://articles.leosimons.com/ --- We

Re: [VOTE] Graduate jUDDI from the Apache Incubator

2004-03-17 Thread Leo Simons
Steve Viens wrote: [Graduate jUDDI from the Apache Incubator] I'll have to +0 this one as I haven't kept track of jUDDI at all. Good luck fellas! -- cheers, - Leo Simons --- Weblog -- http://leosimons.com/ IoC

Re: [VOTE] Graduate JaxMe from incubation

2004-03-10 Thread Leo Simons
Roy T. Fielding wrote: Dims, as I have mentioned before, we cannot vote on such things on a private list for the record: +1 -- cheers, - Leo Simons --- Weblog -- http://leosimons.com/ IoC Component Glue -- http

Re: cvs commit: incubator/site/projects gump.cwiki

2004-02-02 Thread Leo Simons
(invested by various people, including me) than just taking care of the paperwork. And that kind of discussion is less fun than paperwork, imnsho :D -- cheers, - Leo Simons --- Weblog -- http://leosimons.com/ IoC

Re: cvs commit: incubator/site/projects gump.cwiki

2004-02-02 Thread Leo Simons
Noel J. Bergman wrote: Leo Simons wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: Seems like Gump will be going TLP. I am just going to unofficially start incubation while votes take place, procedures are hammered out, etc etc. Projects being promoted to TLP don't have to go through the Incubator. Normative

crosssigned keys as graduation requirement (Re: Request for graduation)

2004-01-21 Thread Leo Simons
it'd be good to be more conservative about signatures, large parts of apache aren't at the moment. So I'm not sure its an issue the Incubator needs to solve...more something for the entire ASF. IMHO! -- cheers, - Leo Simons

Re: [REPORTS DUE] Status reports of Incubating Projects

2004-01-20 Thread Leo Simons
things, present an argument, run and tally the vote, etc. -- cheers, - Leo Simons - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

an Incubator case study

2004-01-14 Thread Leo Simons
, so those 4 hours spent count double IMHO. Do with this data what you please. The conclusion I personally draw from it is we should stop complaining about process, and JFDI. -- cheers, - Leo Simons - To unsubscribe, e-mail

Re: versatile container for software components

2004-01-10 Thread Leo Simons
(!), and others...they all are used to fill similar roles. It might be a good idea for you to review these projects and investigate possible co-operation with one or more of these. -- cheers, - Leo Simons - To unsubscribe, e-mail

Re: donation of project

2004-01-10 Thread Leo Simons
Matt Liotta wrote: I didn't see a reply from anyone in regard to my message below. Just curious if the interested parties have seen it. saw your message, no time to look at it yet, sorry. I've flagged things for follow-up later on. busy as always :D cheers, - Leo Simons

NCSA attribution is optional (was: Re: [STATUS] (incubator)...)

2004-01-10 Thread Leo Simons
for Supercomputing Applications, University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign. yes. -- cheers, - Leo Simons - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Fwd: MerlinDeveloper incubation query

2004-01-08 Thread Leo Simons
Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Thursday 08 January 2004 07:47, Leo Simons wrote: Do we require a PMC vote on that as well? If so, should that vote occur before or after the initial import? My proposal is that we do a combined vote at the Avalon PMC; * Acceptance of this codebase with * Andreas

Re: Fwd: MerlinDeveloper incubation query

2004-01-07 Thread Leo Simons
? If so, should that vote occur before or after the initial import? -- cheers, - Leo Simons --- Weblog -- http://leosimons.com/ IoC Component Glue -- http://jicarilla.org/ Articles Opinions -- http

Re: Fwd: MerlinDeveloper incubation query

2004-01-06 Thread Leo Simons
://www.apache.org/licenses/. CLA was sent in kind-of last year, and according to Andreas teh software grant has also been faxed in by now. good! We'll have to wait for an acknowledgement from the secretary (Jim) that its in. In the meantime, lets do the code audit :D -- cheers, - Leo Simons

Re: donation of project

2004-01-01 Thread Leo Simons
Hi Matt, (IANAL) Matt Liotta wrote: Thanks for all the responses. At this point, I am reluctant to release the code under an Apache style license without a community behind it. I don't want to see our code go into some proprietary project and never benefit the community because the actual

Re: PPMCs and oversight

2003-12-30 Thread Leo Simons
Stephen McConnell wrote: Berin Lautenbach wrote: Leo Simons wrote: IMHO, as long as a project still requires a point man (or as long as the PMC still requires such a person in order to be kept up to date of what is happening in the directory project), the project is not ready for graduation

Re: PPMCs and oversight

2003-12-30 Thread Leo Simons
Berin Lautenbach wrote: Leo Simons wrote: Absolutely! A good test of maturity. If the mentor is doing absolutely nothing and things are going well, then there is no need for a mentor and quite possibly no need for the project to be in incubation anymore. Exactly! So you are saying

Re: PPMCs and oversight

2003-12-30 Thread Leo Simons
Stephen McConnell wrote: My response was related to the on-going debate about invididuals versus group reponsibilities. What I described is role of an individual lined to both an incubating project and to Apache at large. I descibed the benefit that such a real-person can bring to a new

merry christmas!

2003-12-20 Thread Leo Simons
Hi gang! I'll be with my folks this christmas, so won't be reading e-mail until dec 30 or so. To everyone: Gozhqq Keshmish!* - Leo Simons * apparently the Western Apache translation of merry christmas - To unsubscribe, e

Re: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

2003-12-19 Thread Leo Simons
Rodney Waldhoff wrote: The Axion Database project has voted to become a part of the Apache DB project, and the DB PMC has accepted that proposal. (See below for the proposal and additional information.) [ X ] +1 Accept the Axion for incubation. [ ] 0 Abstain [ ] -1 Reject Axion for incubation, I

Re: [VOTE] New Incubator rules and scope definition (long)

2003-12-14 Thread Leo Simons
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Hence I ask to vote It's a big thing to vote on all at once. I still have question marks with some points. What I'm looking for is some signal that we are moving in a direction where the TLPs will actually *want* to follow incubation procedure (which would be a good sign

Re: Apache Gallery Project

2003-12-09 Thread Leo Simons
Jay Zylstra wrote: I'll interpret the lack of response to mean this idea doesn't fit Apache. Okay. But since the need remains for a free gallery of common Web app icons (document, search, print, etc.), does anyone have a suggestion of where such a project would fit, or is anyone aware of an

Re: projects incubated by the incubator PMC

2003-12-09 Thread Leo Simons
Jason van Zyl wrote: I would propose those documents be changed to state that what is outlined above is a prerequisite for entry into the incubator. Is this something that requires a member vote as it affects everyone here because the production of useful software is what we're doing here at

Re: projects incubated by the incubator PMC

2003-12-08 Thread Leo Simons
Jason van Zyl wrote: What's going to happen with AltRMI and the FtpServer? They just sit in the incubator indefinitely? There's no IP issues as these came from within Apache anyway? If an incubated codebase has no slated home within then I would ask how it even landed here in the first place?

Re: [VOTE] Official Name for Geronimo Project

2003-11-30 Thread Leo Simons
Noel J. Bergman wrote: It should be left up to the project unless Geronimo is truly deemed inappropriate. The developers may wish to avoid the whole issue by renaming the codebase to something else but not be forced out of the name because it's perceived to be controversial by some.

Re: [VOTE] Official Name for Geronimo Project

2003-11-30 Thread Leo Simons
Aaron Bannert wrote: On Sun, Nov 30, 2003 at 08:53:55PM +0100, Leo Simons wrote: Aaron Bannert wrote: [ -0 ] - Let them keep Geronimo as the official name. [ -0 ] - Punt the decision to [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ -1 ] - Disallow Geronimo but allow the committers to come up with any other name

Re: Generated sites

2003-11-26 Thread Leo Simons
Jason van Zyl wrote: what exactly do you doubt? That somewhere between getting access and now, in your moment of fire of trying to get something done you were stopped in your tracks because you were probably waiting on something else to happen first. I should have explained that better. My

Re: [VOTE] Incubate Apache Ruper (was about Repo)

2003-11-26 Thread Leo Simons
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Other votes? +1, generally agreeing with all other comments made so far. - Leo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Generated sites

2003-11-25 Thread Leo Simons
Jason van Zyl wrote: I only say at the sheer frustration of watching it take an eon to get a Wiki setup and JIRA. maybe that's because you're watching :D seriously...some food for thought perhaps... the wiki is the first bit of ASF infrastructure I'm getting more than passively involved in.

Re: Add 'practice' PMC structure to projects in incubation

2003-11-24 Thread Leo Simons
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Committers could be given commit access long before having project member status, and would thus be able to commit but not vote. This makes it possible to keep a high bar for membership of the project but a lower bar for committing. Is this possible/wanted? I think

Re: Add 'practice' PMC structure to projects in incubation

2003-11-24 Thread Leo Simons
Noel made an interesting suggestion on the PMC list: --- Alternatively, the PPMC could consist of the Incubator PMC, the destination PMC (in cases where there is one), and project Committers. In that case, there is a single streamlined process, without additional interconnects. This does have the

Re: [Website] Project homepage

2003-11-19 Thread Leo Simons
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: What do others think? Two options: 1) do a transparent rewrite of incubator.apache.org/lenya to cocoon.apache.org/lenya (ie, not a redirect) 2) search-and-replace to replace links to cocoon.apache.org/lenya with incubator.apache.org/lenya or assert* whether lenya

Re: [RT] Multiple Mentors

2003-11-18 Thread Leo Simons
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: What do you think? +1 to redundancy. -0 on making it an 'absolute' requirement. We need to make sure we ourselves don't get so completely lost in figuring out the right process that there is no energy left to apply it. cheers! - Leo

Re: [RT] Incubated project websites

2003-11-17 Thread Leo Simons
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Proposal: 1 - every project site sources stay in the project CVS sure. 2 - every project has this URL space where to publish the site: http://incubator.apache.org/projectname +1 (or under the wings of their TLP if they wish) 3 - every project has an incubation

Re: incubator website is hosed

2003-11-11 Thread Leo Simons
Roy T. Fielding wrote: The /www/incubator.apache.org/ directory tree on minotaur contains both a checked-out incubator-site *and* the generated output of a forrestbot via incubator. It obviously can't be both. or can it be? IIRC, forrestbot just generates the website, then commits changes to

Re: incubator website is hosed

2003-11-11 Thread Leo Simons
Henri Yandell wrote: On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Roy T. Fielding wrote: Personally, I've had my fill of this kind of crap being left on our public infrastructure. I shouldn't have to wait days to update a trivial website. If someone doesn't beat me to it, I am going to replace it with Anakia

Re: Restoring project web sites

2003-11-07 Thread Leo Simons
I have also posted detailed instructions to the geronimo list describing how to get the geronimo site built and committed in the appropriate location: http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL PROTECTED]msgNo=4475 None of the committers felt like answering at the time :/ I maintain that its best

Re: Common naming accross policy/process/roles

2003-10-28 Thread Leo Simons
Berin Lautenbach wrote: However - I have absolutely no wish to drag this out. +1. You're doing the work, there's no strong objections (just what probably will be proven to be very subtle differences of opinion if we do drag this out), so just get on with it. We can always change it later! cheers,

me @ incubator!

2003-10-27 Thread Leo Simons
Hi gang, I received an e-mail directed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] this morning. That must mean I'm subscribed :D. I also saw my (mispelled!) name on the website under the heading PMC. Neat (happy to be here!), but I must say I'm a bit puzzled with how that came to be. Here's what happened: I wasn't

Re: Common naming accross policy/process/roles

2003-10-27 Thread Leo Simons
Hi gang, it's puzzled me how much effort some of us have been putting in /normative/ documentation of policy, process, roles and responsibilities. It must be a programmer thing :D soapbox Who needs normative documentation? Why? - the board knows what incubation means - the incubator PMC knows

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