[DISCUSS] Changing poddling release voting process

2009-08-21 Thread ant elder
What do people think about changing the poddling release voting process so that there is just a single vote which is held on the poddlings dev list instead of the dual voting we have now with a poddling dev list vote followed by an general@ vote? This would be similar to the changes done recently

Re: [DISCUSS] Changing poddling release voting process

2009-08-21 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 8:58 AM, ant elderant.el...@gmail.com wrote: What do people think about changing the poddling release voting process so that there is just a single vote which is held on the poddlings dev list instead of the dual voting we have now with a poddling dev list vote

Re: [DISCUSS] Changing poddling release voting process

2009-08-21 Thread J Aaron Farr
On Fri 21 Aug 2009 14:58, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: What do people think about changing the poddling release voting process so that there is just a single vote which is held on the poddlings dev list instead of the dual voting we have now with a poddling dev list vote followed by

Re: [DISCUSS] Changing poddling release voting process

2009-08-21 Thread Thilo Goetz
J Aaron Farr wrote: On Fri 21 Aug 2009 14:58, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: What do people think about changing the poddling release voting process so that there is just a single vote which is held on the poddlings dev list instead of the dual voting we have now with a poddling dev

Re: [DISCUSS] Changing poddling release voting process

2009-08-21 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 3:40 PM, J Aaron Farrfa...@apache.org wrote: On Fri 21 Aug 2009 14:58, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: What do people think about changing the poddling release voting process so that there is just a single vote which is held on the poddlings dev list instead of

Re: [DISCUSS] Changing poddling release voting process

2009-08-21 Thread Martijn Dashorst
-1 I try to check my podlings' releases personally, but I usually fail where Sebb shines :). It is much easier to guide the addition of new committers/ppmc members than it is to properly vet a *first* release. The first release of any podling is an exercise of patience and frustration, but it

re: [DISCUSS] Changing poddling release voting process

2009-08-21 Thread Rainer Döbele
poddling release voting process -1 I try to check my podlings' releases personally, but I usually fail where Sebb shines :). It is much easier to guide the addition of new committers/ppmc members than it is to properly vet a *first* release. The first release of any podling is an exercise

Re: [DISCUSS] Changing poddling release voting process

2009-08-21 Thread sebb
for the first release +1 for subsequent releases Rainer Martijn Dashorst wrote: Re: [DISCUSS] Changing poddling release voting process -1 I try to check my podlings' releases personally, but I usually fail where Sebb shines :). It is much easier to guide the addition of new

Re: [DISCUSS] Changing poddling release voting process

2009-08-21 Thread Jan Lehnardt
On 21 Aug 2009, at 08:58, ant elder wrote: What do people think about changing the poddling release voting process so that there is just a single vote which is held on the poddlings dev list instead of the dual voting we have now with a poddling dev list vote followed by an general@ vote? This

Re: [DISCUSS] Changing poddling release voting process

2009-08-21 Thread ant elder
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 8:40 AM, J Aaron Farrfa...@apache.org wrote: On Fri 21 Aug 2009 14:58, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: What do people think about changing the poddling release voting process so that there is just a single vote which is held on the poddlings dev list instead of

Re: [DISCUSS] Changing poddling release voting process

2009-08-21 Thread ant elder
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Niclas Hedhmannic...@hedhman.org wrote: On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 3:40 PM, J Aaron Farrfa...@apache.org wrote: On Fri 21 Aug 2009 14:58, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: What do people think about changing the poddling release voting process so that there

Re: [DISCUSS] Changing poddling release voting process

2009-08-21 Thread ant elder
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 11:55 AM, sebbseb...@gmail.com wrote: -1 AIUI, all proposed releases must be voted on by the IPMC, not just by the podlings. And they still would be as the only binding votes are from IPMC members, and thats just the same as the situation with the poddling new

Re: [DISCUSS] Changing poddling release voting process

2009-08-21 Thread ant elder
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Rainer Döbeledoeb...@esteam.de wrote: I agree with Martijn's view on the first release of a podling which is much more critical than subsequent releases. But for subsequent releases the voting process should be simplified in one way or the other. At the

Re: [DISCUSS] Changing poddling release voting process

2009-08-21 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Jan Lehnardtj...@apache.org wrote: On 21 Aug 2009, at 08:58, ant elder wrote: What do people think about changing the poddling release voting process so that there is just a single vote which is held on the poddlings dev list instead of the dual voting we

Re: [DISCUSS] Changing poddling release voting process

2009-08-21 Thread ant elder
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 1:02 PM, ant elderant.el...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Niclas Hedhmannic...@hedhman.org wrote: My concern is more that of 'complacent mentors'... How many people vote +1 even if they have not scrutinized the release requirements? IMHO, too

Re: [DISCUSS] Changing poddling release voting process

2009-08-21 Thread sebb
On 21/08/2009, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 11:55 AM, sebbseb...@gmail.com wrote: -1 AIUI, all proposed releases must be voted on by the IPMC, not just by the podlings. And they still would be as the only binding votes are from IPMC members, and

Re: [DISCUSS] Changing poddling release voting process

2009-08-21 Thread Martijn Dashorst
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 2:21 PM, ant elderant.el...@gmail.com wrote: Also, if we do the making best practices a graduation requirement instead of a release requirement that might alleviate the poor mentor issue as its easy enough to check the latest release at graduation time and vote against

Re: [DISCUSS] Changing poddling release voting process

2009-08-21 Thread sebb
On 21/08/2009, Martijn Dashorst martijn.dasho...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 2:21 PM, ant elderant.el...@gmail.com wrote: Also, if we do the making best practices a graduation requirement instead of a release requirement that might alleviate the poor mentor issue as its easy

Re: [DISCUSS] Changing poddling release voting process

2009-08-21 Thread Niall Pemberton
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Martijn Dashorstmartijn.dasho...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 2:21 PM, ant elderant.el...@gmail.com wrote: Also, if we do the making best practices a graduation requirement instead of a release requirement that might alleviate the poor mentor issue