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Wow, thank you so much to all of you for the great feedback you have provided
about this proposal and specifically about the community concerns (thank you
Martin for raising this topic, it was good to address this here after it was
briefly discussed at Apache Barcamp@Austin), license, releases:
Hi,
On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 9:11 PM, Daniel Dekany ddek...@freemail.hu wrote:
A simple question regarding the SGA... at the bottom there's List of
software and other intellectual property covered by this agreement:.
I wonder if we should have Freemarker under that,...
The best by far is to
A simple question regarding the SGA... at the bottom there's List of
software and other intellectual property covered by this agreement:.
I wonder if we should have Freemarker under that, or something like:
Freemarker (including the engine itself, also the Docgen and Site modules)
Because,
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On 6/2/15 8:02 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
I would proceed with the plan that the project will succeed in
graduating.
+1. Focus on the positive, and finding new community contributors.
Trying to incubate while regularly talking about well, if we don't make
it, we're going to leave and do X is not a
On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 8:30 PM, Daniel Dekany ddek...@freemail.hu wrote:
Thursday, June 4, 2015, 3:30:56 PM, Martin van den Bemt wrote:
...(at least from before 2005 up to 2008 and according to
Geir at least from 2000/2001). The 2 names constantly popping up in
these threads are Jonathan
Thanks for the clarification! So this also means that if the mentors
can't find a problem now, then it's unlikely that we can't do a
releases from the incubator because of some new IP issues cropping up.
Good news.
Thursday, June 4, 2015, 9:16:45 AM, David Nalley wrote:
On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at
Thursday, June 4, 2015, 3:30:56 PM, Martin van den Bemt wrote:
As we are community over code and I haven't read anything about the
history we have with Freemarker, it is probably now the time to
mention it.
The first response on this proposal was Huh? They want to come to Apache ?
Which was
On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 6:24 PM, Daniel Dekany ddek...@freemail.hu wrote:
Wednesday, June 3, 2015, 5:29:40 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
As soon as it can be done. The question is, why would you want to
wait?
I thought, maybe, after being voted in, but before actual incubation
starts, the legal
On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 9:16 AM, David Nalley da...@gnsa.us wrote:
...occasionally a project will make
a release or perhaps even two under the old 'home' ..
I was going to say that - Wicket is a good example of a project that
joined with a well-established community and processes, where it made
As we are community over code and I haven't read anything about the
history we have with Freemarker, it is probably now the time to
mention it.
The first response on this proposal was Huh? They want to come to Apache ?
The Freemarker community was a fan of trolling the Apache Velocity
mailinglists
So then I suppose my question can be reduced to: After the voting has
concluded with positive result (for entering incubation), when must we
migrate the source code to ASF?
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Daniel Dekany
Wednesday, June 3, 2015, 2:05:57 AM, Ralph Goers wrote:
IMO, once the source code is migrated
As soon as it can be done. The question is, why would you want to wait? The
point is, you don’t want to get approval for the project and then have everyone
lose interest because there is no code to work on.
Ralph
On Jun 3, 2015, at 12:01 AM, Daniel Dekany ddek...@freemail.hu wrote:
So
That's certainly won't be a problem in reality, as Jacopo said.
What I'm curious about is if what happens if Freemarker gets into the
Incubator but then sadly later fails to graduate, so then it has to
continue outside ASF, probably with the earlier owners. I guess then
we will have to fork the
On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 8:07 PM Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com
wrote:
IMO, once the source code is migrated to the ASF you should not do any
more releases outside the ASF. I would attempt to clear up as many IP
issues as you can before entering but I believe several projects have
I would proceed with the plan that the project will succeed in graduating.
Usually project names stay with the ASF. I am not sure what the policy would be
for a project that failed to graduate. I would suspect the project could keep
it after leaving. However, if the project fails to graduate
IMO, once the source code is migrated to the ASF you should not do any more
releases outside the ASF. I would attempt to clear up as many IP issues as you
can before entering but I believe several projects have resolved their IP
issues while in the incubator. In the worst case some code may
But before that... a question. Let's say the voting has a positive
result. Can we still do Freemarker releases outside ASF (with the
current owners and source code repository) after that? For how long?
My concern is that when we are already in the incubator, we can't
release from it as far as ASF
On 5/21/15 10:29 AM, John D. Ament wrote:
Currently I see three mentors and two committers at
https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/FreemarkerProposal, I'm not involved
in that podling but it looks to me that additional committers might be
more useful than more mentors.
From looking at their
That's great, and of course you are in as far as I'm concerned! (In
Freemarker, I mean... as we aren't in the Incubator yet.)
I plan to assemble a list of TODO-s, and especially, trying to
identify pieces that contributors could pick up easily. Also, more
eyes who just try to spot problems in the
Ok, I have updated the proposal to include the feedback received (there is a
new paragraph about the relationship with Velocity, Commons and I have added
Ralph and Sergio as mentors). Thanks to all of you.
Any other feedback? Should we move to the next step (that I think is starting a
vote)?
Hi,
On Thursday, May 28, 2015, Jacopo Cappellato jacopo.cappell...@gmail.com
wrote:
...Should we move to the next step (that I think is starting a vote)?...
I think so, with two comments:
Having just two committers is very small but that can hopefully be solved
during incubation.
The
Hi,
On May 28, 2015, at 11:39 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org
wrote:
Hi,
On Thursday, May 28, 2015, Jacopo Cappellato jacopo.cappell...@gmail.com
wrote:
...Should we move to the next step (that I think is starting a vote)?...
I think so, with two comments:
Having
Hi,
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Jacopo Cappellato
jacopo.cappell...@gmail.com wrote:
...PS: who should start the vote?..
In general that's the role of the podling's champion.
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While that is certainly a valid option, I would think that would be a topic for
determine how to exit the incubator.
Ralph
On May 22, 2015, at 11:13 AM, Siegfried Goeschl
siegfried.goes...@it20one.com wrote:
Hi Daniel,
regarding “lower bar for project sexiness and buzzwordyness” -
Hi Daniel,
regarding “lower bar for project sexiness and buzzwordyness” - another options
would be using an existing ASF umbrella project, e.g. Apache Commons. There you
find a lot “unsexy but heavily used stuff” … ;-)
Cheers,
Siegfried Goeschl
On 22 May 2015, at 19:31, Daniel Dekany
Yes, I recently needed a lightweight templating engine (a single jar with
no dependencies). I considered Freemarker, but rejected it. A
freemarker-lite module would have hit the spot.
Templating may not be sexy anymore, but it is useful for a wide variety of
tasks, and it's not going away.
It's kind of OT, but Freemarker *is* a single jar with no
dependencies. (All the dependencies are optional. Like if you don't
use it with Servlets, it wont look for Serlvet classes.)
Saturday, May 23, 2015, 1:17:47 AM, Julian Hyde wrote:
Yes, I recently needed a lightweight templating engine (a
That's a good point. And these are also the things that are good fits
for new committers (as opposed to evolving the core). With similar
logic I'm looking for people who want to focus on improving Spring MVC
integration for example. Or even Sturts integration (last time I saw
it, it made no
As an interesting aside, increasing the scope of Freemarker might improve
sexiness.
Consider extending to be a Scala templating engine. Or some similar small
effort that ropes in a new community.
On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Jacopo Cappellato
jacopo.cappell...@gmail.com wrote:
Some
Or rather Apache Groovy :-)
2015-05-23 1:04 GMT+02:00 Ted Dunning ted.dunn...@gmail.com:
As an interesting aside, increasing the scope of Freemarker might improve
sexiness.
Consider extending to be a Scala templating engine. Or some similar small
effort that ropes in a new community.
Some misc comments on the great feedback we have received so far (thanks to all
for your help and interest):
* Sergio, Ralph, we are happy to have you as mentors of Freemarker. I have
edited the proposal document to include you in the mentors group; five mentors
is plenty, so we should be good
On May 22, 2015, at 7:31 PM, Daniel Dekany ddek...@freemail.hu wrote:
Can the requirements for getting out from incubation successfully be
quantified? For the kind of project like this?
I think that what Ted was referring to, when he mentioned the voting
requirements, is that a top level
Technically (i.e., in source code), I don't think Velocity and
Freemarker can share much. It seems that they kind of share fate
though. Apparently, everyone has something more important to
contribute to. And that's fine, I say, because what put these template
engines into the spotlight 15(?) years
As a very satisfied Freemarker user, I'm excited to see this proposal!
I agree with the feedback that it would be helpful to have more
committers. Marmotta mentioned that they use it, so I wonder if you could
draw some interest from members of that community to join as initial
committers. Are
The guys who you see on sf.net or GitHub with commit rights has moved
on to do different things, except me and one other guy who is mostly a
Web designer professionally. That's one of the reasons why I though
that I give it a shot, and see if being an ASF project makes the
project more
I am another happy user of Freemarker. Calcite, Drill and Phoenix all use
it as a pre-processor, to stitch together SQL grammar files.
It’s worth reading http://freemarker.org/whoWeAre.html. It gives a sense of
how the Freemarker community has self-governed and evolved over its long
history, and
On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 10:11 AM Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org
wrote:
Hi,
On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Sergio Fernández wik...@apache.org
wrote:
...If you'd need any other mentor, I'm happy to help there (I'm
Incubator PMC
and ASF Member)...
Currently I see three
In Marmotta we extended Freemarker to be able to use LDPath expressions
inside the template language. So good to see the project moving in ASF :-)
If you'd need any other mentor, I'm happy to help there (I'm Incubator PMC
and ASF Member).
Cheers,
On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Jacopo
Hi all,
my name is Jacopo Cappellato, I am an ASF member and the PMC chair of Apache
OFBiz.
As the proposal's champion, I would like to open up a discussion thread on the
proposal for Freemarker to join ASF as an incubating project.
The proposal is available here:
Hi,
On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Sergio Fernández wik...@apache.org wrote:
...If you'd need any other mentor, I'm happy to help there (I'm Incubator PMC
and ASF Member)...
Currently I see three mentors and two committers at
https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/FreemarkerProposal, I'm not
On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 7:11 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
Hi,
On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Sergio Fernández wik...@apache.org wrote:
...If you'd need any other mentor, I'm happy to help there (I'm Incubator PMC
and ASF Member)...
Currently I see three mentors
I used to use Apache Velocity. However, it hasn’t had a release since 2010 and
the overall project activity has been minimal for years. As a consequence of
that, and a feature that was missing, I recently switched to using Freemarker
for some templating work I needed to do. The only reason I
Incubation is a fine idea here. I think that the project is at high risk
of not making it to top-level because of the voting requirements, but if
the committer and PMC can be built, it should be a fine (quiet) project.
And it should never be viewed as a failure or even a problem for a project
to
Le 21/05/2015 16:29, John D. Ament a écrit :
On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 10:11 AM Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org
wrote:
Hi,
On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Sergio Fernández wik...@apache.org
wrote:
...If you'd need any other mentor, I'm happy to help there (I'm
Incubator PMC
and
Le 21/05/2015 16:29, John D. Ament a écrit :
On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 10:11 AM Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org
wrote:
Hi,
On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Sergio Fernández wik...@apache.org
wrote:
...If you'd need any other mentor, I'm happy to help there (I'm
Incubator PMC
and
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