Apache SkyWalking entered incubation in December of 2017. The SkyWalking
community has learnt a lot about how to do things in The Apache Way.
The first time graduation was raised for discussion, five months ago, the IPMC
thought SkyWalking was not yet ready because of issues around "Community
On Sun, 3 Mar 2019 at 12:08, Mick Semb Wever wrote:
>
>
> Apache SkyWalking entered incubation in December of 2017. The SkyWalking
> community has learnt a lot about how to do things in The Apache Way.
>
> The first time graduation was raised for discussion, five months ago, the
> IPMC thought S
Zipkin
Twitter, wusheng1108
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From: "sebb";
Date: Sun, Mar 3, 2019 10:04 PM
To: "general";
Cc: "dev";
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP (take2)
On Sun, 3 Mar 2019 at 12:08, Mi
Hi,
>> SkyWalking is making more consensus decisions via the ML, including
>> discussions and decisions on issue, test, release, new committer and
>> branding issues. Since the last graduation discussion, the community has
>> voted in 9 new committers, 3 of them also as PPMC members.
I assume
> >
> > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of
> > the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish
> > a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance
> > of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to t
Thanks Justin for the reminder, this came up during the first discussion too
and I completely skipped it.
The updated proposal is, including improvement from Sebb's feedback,
==
Establish the Apache SkyWalking Project
WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests o
Sheng Wu
Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
Twitter, wusheng1108
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From: "justin";
Date: Mon, Mar 4, 2019 04:56 AM
To: "general";
Cc: "dev";
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating
Hi,
Yes and thanks for pointing this out.
> I have updated the document[1].
>
Have any other changes been made since last time?
Thanks.,
Justin
>
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From: "Justin Mclean";
Date: Mon, Mar 4, 2019 09:49 AM
To: "general";
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2)
Hi,
Yes and thanks for pointing this out.
> I have updated the document[1].
>
Have any other changes
Hi,
I’m still not 100% sure that this project its ready to graduate. Looking at the
roster [1] only 1/2 the the proposed PMC members are signed up to the projects
private list. Some of the people suggested have limited interaction on the
mailing list(s) and in a couple of cases have never sent
When I was writing the graduation proposal for Fineract I explicitly asked
each PMC member for permission to put them on the list. One guy never
answered, so I removed him from the list. There's nothing really *wrong*
with having inactive PMC members, but you can at least start your project's
TLP
> I’m still not 100% sure that this project its ready to graduate.
> Looking at the roster [1] only 1/2 the the proposed PMC members are
> signed up to the projects private list. Some of the people suggested
> have limited interaction on the mailing list(s) and in a couple of
> cases have ne
Hi,
> I noticed this before we started this thread. We went through the roster and
> most of those "missing" are subscribed with other (non-apache) addresses.
I checked their names and email address list in the proposal as well not just
apache emails. Whimsey doesn’t report any other unknown ad
On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 09:13, Mick Semb Wever wrote:
>
>
> > I’m still not 100% sure that this project its ready to graduate.
> > Looking at the roster [1] only 1/2 the the proposed PMC members are
> > signed up to the projects private list. Some of the people suggested
> > have limited interaction
Hi,
> Whimsy currently shows 6 PPMC members who are not subscribed.
> It was 8 when I checked earlier, but two subscriptions were added earlier
> today.
It was 8 when I checked a few hours ago when I sent the email.
Thanks,
Justin
> Whimsy currently shows 6 PPMC members who are not subscribed.
Digging into this more…
It looks there's also been troubles subscribing from China, or more accurate
receiving the confirm subscription emails from apache to chinese inboxes. (And
it wouldn't surprise me if after creating a new
On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 10:43, Mick Semb Wever wrote:
>
>
> > Whimsy currently shows 6 PPMC members who are not subscribed.
>
>
> Digging into this more…
>
> It looks there's also been troubles subscribing from China, or more accurate
> receiving the confirm subscription emails from apache to chine
>
> The cookies in the moderator mails expire after a few days.
>
This example was all done today. Numerous attempts have been made.
> It also means that the person is aware that the private@ list is
> something they need to follow.
Not getting any response at all is not an indication of wh
On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 11:32 PM Mick Semb Wever wrote:
> ...If this project description is to be updated in the graduation proposal,
> does it also need to be updated
> in the podling status file? and anywhere else?...
No, it's fine to have a slightly different description in the
graduation reso
> On Mar 4, 2019, at 3:12 AM, Mick Semb Wever wrote:
>> The cookies in the moderator mails expire after a few days.
>
> This example was all done today. Numerous attempts have been made.
>> It also means that the person is aware that the private@ list is
>> something they need to follow.
>
As
Hi,
> I think the question is not "Is SkyWalking ready to graduate" but "Is the
> proposed PMC list accurate”.
Well the graduation was put off last time because the project was not correctly
recognising merit, and they have fixed that by voting more folks but but if
they are not active then I’
Hi -
It is down to four people missing from the PPMC list. I don’t view this as a
problem. Clearly there are small operational issues. (Mick - SHOULD is used as
specifications and really means MUST. They really MUST because if not that
means that these PMC members can’t see discussion and votes
> I think the question is not "Is SkyWalking ready to graduate" but "Is
> the proposed PMC list accurate".
>
> The PMC members are responsible for governing the TLP and as such need
> to be familiar with what is expected of them. Governance activities are
> conducted on the PPMC private list.
> May I see a link to the planned Graduation Resolution?
The planned graduation resolution is in this DISCUSS thread above, specifically
here:
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/bf9512ac5441f602c41fe8fe7e11d9fa6121f04fc8d3f0cd39249b13@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
That includes the
Wonderful!
> On Mar 4, 2019, at 3:56 PM, Mick Semb Wever wrote:
>
>
>> May I see a link to the planned Graduation Resolution?
>
>
> The planned graduation resolution is in this DISCUSS thread above,
> specifically here:
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/bf9512ac5441f602c41fe8fe7e11d9f
HI,
> Removing those two initial PPMC that have since been quiet has not been done,
> I'm waiting on confirmation on whether that is needed/requested.
The PPMC should be able to discuss that and work that out themselves and come
up with the right answer if they are ready for graduation.
I was
Hi -
Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 4, 2019, at 7:52 PM, Justin Mclean wrote:
>
> HI,
>
>> Removing those two initial PPMC that have since been quiet has not been
>> done, I'm waiting on confirmation on whether that is needed/requested.
>
> The PPMC should be able to discuss that and work that
Hi,
> "Three most important issues to address in the move towards graduation:
> 1. IP clearance.
> 3. First ASF release. (SkyWalking 5.0)
> 3. Further ASF culture and processes.
> ...
> 7. Clear Brand issues with other ecosystem projects.“
>
> If possible can one of the PPMC members / mentors exp
> If possible can one of the PPMC members / mentors explain what these
> issue are in a little more detail.
All 7 items are resolved. The "Three most important issues to address in the
move towards graduation" section had been misread by all of us, as the list had
accumulated over time, and
On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 12:42 PM Craig Russell wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 4, 2019, at 3:12 AM, Mick Semb Wever wrote:
> >> The cookies in the moderator mails expire after a few days.
> >
> > This example was all done today. Numerous attempts have been made.
> >> It also means that the person is aware
ar 5, 2019 12:49 PM
To: "general";
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2)
On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 12:42 PM Craig Russell wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 4, 2019, at 3:12 AM, Mick Semb Wever wrote:
> >> The cookies in the
.
Sheng Wu
Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
From Wu Sheng 's phone.
-- Original --
From: roman
Date: Tue,Mar 5,2019 0:50 PM
To: general
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2)
On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 12:42 PM
> Date: Tue,Mar 5,2019 0:50 PM
> To: general
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2)
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 12:42 PM Craig Russell wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Mar 4, 2019, at 3:12 AM, Mick Semb Wever
---
Sheng Wu
Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
Twitter, wusheng1108
-- Original --
From: "Dave Fisher";
Date: Wed, Mar 6, 2019 08:17 AM
To: "general";
Cc: "roman";
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (in
Dave
>
> >
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> >
> > Sheng Wu
> > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> >
> > From Wu Sheng 's phone.
> >
> >
> > -- Original --
> > From: roman
> > Date:
On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 5:09 PM sebb wrote:
>
> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 00:18, Dave Fisher wrote:
> >
> > Hi -
> >
> > > On Mar 5, 2019, at 3:55 PM, 吴晟 Sheng Wu wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Roman
> > >
> > >
> > > In the discussion, I started about inviting committers to PMC when
> > > graduation, shows
On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 01:19, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
>
> On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 5:09 PM sebb wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 00:18, Dave Fisher wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi -
> > >
> > > > On Mar 5, 2019, at 3:55 PM, 吴晟 Sheng Wu wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Roman
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In the discu
> > > That can only be done if the committers have agreed to becoming
> > > members,
> >
> > That is correct, they need to be offered and they need to agree.
> >
> > > in which case you might as well add them to the PPMC before
> > > graduation.
> >
> > Since PPMC is an artificial construct that
for their confirmation.
--
Sheng Wu
Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
Twitter, wusheng1108
-- Original --
From: "mck";
Date: Wed, Mar 6, 2019 11:34 AM
To: "general";
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating)
Sheng Wu";
Date: Wed, Mar 6, 2019 11:58 AM
To: "general";
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2)
Hi
> My understanding, with discussions with Sheng, is that they presumed (2) was
> possible and currently are following that app
> SkyWalking received all feedbacks from our mentors and committers.
> 1. Luke Han(mentor) asked for `step down`.
> 2. All committers accept the `Invitation with condition`[1]
Thanks Shen.
Everyone, here's the updated graduation proposal, the third version of "take2",
that includes the revis
On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 11:12, Mick Semb Wever wrote:
>
>
> >
> > The cookies in the moderator mails expire after a few days.
> >
>
> This example was all done today. Numerous attempts have been made.
I see another person has subscribed to private, so it is possible to
subscribe, but it may depend
hardingSphere, Zipkin
From Wu Sheng 's phone.
-- Original --
From: sebb
Date: Mon,Mar 4,2019 7:24 PM
To: general
Subject: Re: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache
SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 11:12, Mick Semb Weve
, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
From Wu Sheng 's phone.
-- --
??: sebb
: 2019??3??5?? 00:02
??: general , dev
: ??: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate
Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
On M
;
: "dev"; "sebb";
: Re: : Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate
Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
Hi
There is another option to try if the email subscription isn't working.
You can access the whimsy portal (login using your ASF
hi, Sebbaz:
> > I also can not subscribe priv...@skywalking.apache.org.
> >
> >
> > -- --
> > ??: "wu.sheng";
> > : 2019??3??4??(??) 7:26
> > ??: "Incubator General";"general"<
> > general@inc
27;s phone.
-- --
??: Kai Wang
: 2019??3??5?? 11:00
??: general
: private , dev
, sebb
: ??: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate
Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
HI, AllThe problem of subscribing to t
Date: Mon,Mar 4,2019 7:24 PM
To: general
Subject: Re: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache
SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 11:12, Mick Semb Wever wrote:
>
>
> >
> > The cookies in the moderator mails expire af
t; 发件人: "wu.sheng";
> 发送时间: 2019年3月4日(星期一) 晚上7:26
> 收件人: "Incubator General";"general"<
> general@incubator.apache.org>;"dev";
>
> 主题: Re: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache
> SkyWalking
subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate
Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
Ok, trying to subscribing again.
??
Yao Wang
Apache SkyWalking Committer, DaoCloud Labs
Twitter, @tinyallen16
??: Sheng Wu
: 2019??3??4?? 19:26
: "sebb";
Subject: Re: : Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate
Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
> I just replied, and it worked fine; they are shown as being on the list.
Have no clue why :(. Tried multiple times, always fail. But for so
right?
> or moderators like me. I assume you don't get them too.
>
>
> ----------
> Sheng Wu
> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original --
> From: "s
t;dev";
"general";
Subject: Re: : Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate
Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 15:26, Sheng Wu wrote:
>
> Hi Sebb
>
> I just send mail in dev@skywalking, just realize you may be
ral";
Subject: Re: : Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate
Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 15:45, Sheng Wu wrote:
>
> Hi John
>
> I just try on that page, don't find skywalking-private in `Subs
t;>> To:
>>> "general";"d...@skywalking.apache.org";
>>>
>>> Subject: 答复: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate
>>> Apache SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>&
-- 原始邮件 --
> > 发件人: "wu.sheng";
> > 发送时间: 2019年3月4日(星期一) 晚上7:26
> > 收件人: "Incubator General";"general"<
> > general@incubator.apache.org>;"dev";
> >
> > 主题: Re: Problems subscri
> 发件人: "wu.sheng";
> > > 发送时间: 2019年3月4日(星期一) 晚上7:26
> > > 收件人: "Incubator General";"general"<
> > > general@incubator.apache.org>;"dev";
> > >
> > > 主题: Re: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISC
- Original --
From: sebb
Date: Mon,Mar 4,2019 7:24 PM
To: general
Subject: Re: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache
SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 11:12, Mick Semb Wever wrote:
>
>
> >
> > The co
-- Original --
> From: "wang yao";
> Date: Mon, Mar 4, 2019 07:39 PM
> To:
> "general";"d...@skywalking.apache.org";
>
> Subject: 答复: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate
> Apache Sk
usheng1108
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -- Original ------
> > From: "wang yao";
> > Date: Mon, Mar 4, 2019 07:39 PM
> > To:
> > "general";"d...@skywalking.apache.org";
> &
them too.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Sheng Wu
> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original ------
> From: "吴晟 Sheng Wu";
> Date: Mo
alking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
>
>
> -- Original --
> From: "吴晟 Sheng Wu";
> Date: Mon, Mar 4, 2019 11:21 PM
> To: "sebb";
> Subject: Re: 答复: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] G
SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
>
>
> -- Original --
> From: "John D. Ament";
> Date: Mon, Mar 4, 2019 11:37 PM
> To: "general";
> Cc: "dev"; "sebb";
> Subject: Re: 答复: Pr
> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original --
> From: "sebb";
> Date: Mon, Mar 4, 2019 11:47 PM
> To: "吴晟 Sheng Wu";
> Cc: "dev";
> "general";
>
始邮件 --
> 发件人: sebb
> 发送时间: 2019年3月5日 00:02
> 收件人: general , dev
> 主题: 回复:答复: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache
> SkyWalking (incubating) as a TLP(take2))
>
>
>
> On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 15:53, 吴晟 Sheng Wu wrote:
> > From: "John D. Ament";
> > Date: Mon, Mar 4, 2019 11:37 PM
> > To: "general";
> > Cc: "dev"; "sebb";
> > Subject: Re: 答复: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS]
> > Graduate Apache SkyWalkin
don't get them too.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------
> > Sheng Wu
> > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > Twitter, wusheng1108
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -
-- 原始邮件 --
>> 发件人: "John D. Ament";
>> 发送时间: 2019年3月4日(星期一) 晚上11:37
>> 收件人: "general";
>> 抄送: "dev"; "sebb";
>> 主题: Re: 答复: Problems subscribing to SkyWalking (Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate
>> Apache Sky
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