On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 08:49:55PM -0700, Marvin Humphrey wrote:
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Daniel Shahaf danie...@apache.org wrote:
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 11:49:51PM +0100, Ross Gardler wrote:
+pOnce the vote has been called the proposal should be considered fixed.
+ No
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:06 AM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.comwrote:
He said majority, not everybody ant. Try a little harder to
understand the written words instead of needing to interject
your dissonant 2 cents and things will improve around here.
Don't be so abrasive Joe, I'm a
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 11:49:51PM +0100, Ross Gardler wrote:
+pOnce the vote has been called the proposal should be considered fixed.
+ No further changes are accepted./p
Can I suggest that you make explicit the option to cancel the vote, amend the
proposal, and re-start the vote?
Done - but please note this is the last edit I am doing on this topic.
I do not agree with the necessaity for this rule. If the IPMC wants to
make further clarifications then go for it. I have more improtant
things to do.
Index: content/incubation/Process_Description.html
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Daniel Shahaf danie...@apache.org wrote:
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 11:49:51PM +0100, Ross Gardler wrote:
+pOnce the vote has been called the proposal should be considered fixed.
+ No further changes are accepted./p
Can I suggest that you make explicit
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 3:08 AM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
I respectfully suggest your intervention is an example of ISSUE 03 (too
many cooks). As a champion I'm interested in podlings learning the Apache
Way - a significant part of this is to not let unnecessary process
C'mon Tim this was not done as a social norms can be overridden/bullied
occasionally by headstrong, salty old-timers thing at all. It was
something that seemed small and simple and innocent.
However if its such a major thing then the PPMC can vote Debo in as soon as
it starts. No biggie. Honest.
On 18 June 2013 13:04, Tim Williams william...@gmail.com wrote:
Another option is to discount votes prior to the last mutation. Or,
we add a wiki page that explains to new folks how the social norms can
be overridden/bullied occasionally by headstrong, salty old-timers as
they see fit...
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 5:34 AM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
For me the social norm *should* be to allow things to progress
unhindered unless an action is non-reversible and potentially damaging
to the community.
No. That's not acceptable to me as an IPMC member.
VOTEs are
- Original Message -
From: Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org
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Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: Stratos proposal: is it possible to add another initial
committer?
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 5:34 AM, Ross Gardler
rgard
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013, at 05:45 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote:
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 5:34 AM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
For me the social norm *should* be to allow things to progress
unhindered unless an action is non-reversible and potentially damaging
to the
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 01:34:39PM +0100, Ross Gardler wrote:
However, in this specific case the social norm *should* be to allow the
change to proceed - that's the most efficient process.
Modifying a vote that has started is a slippery slope. (The same is true for
reusing version numbers: ANY
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 11:49 PM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.comwrote:
It seems clear that the majority of IPMC members believe this change
on a vote in progress is not acceptable.
Don't assume its that clear, i think at least some agree with you that this
is just ISSUE3 and kept
The Apache way is *community over code*, as a healthy community we
should encourage community growth. IMO I do not consider adding a new
member to the initial committer list as a big change to the proposal.
In fact, now I believe if we had a separate VOTE for him, we will not
have this much
proposal: is it possible to add another initial
committer?
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 11:49 PM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.comwrote:
It seems clear that the majority of IPMC members believe this change
on a vote in progress is not acceptable.
Don't assume its that clear, i
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:49 AM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.comwrote:
It seems clear that the majority of IPMC members believe this change
on a vote in progress is not acceptable.
In the interest of being a bit pedantic, I think that most people are OK
with some changes to votes in
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
I trust someone who believes this is a fixed rule rather than a
social-norm by which we are guided will now go and document it
appropriately in [2] (see ISSUE 09 [1]).
Your change to the process description page
I have not closed the vote yet because it ran over the weekend. I did
state I would leave it running into this week.
As champion I have no objection to you adding Debo. Ultimately it
reduces unnecessary traffic on this list since we won't have to
formally vote him in.
Ross
On 17 June 2013
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 10:37 AM, Sanjiva Weerawarana sanj...@wso2.com wrote:
Debo Dutta, cc'ed, from Cisco, will be joining the project and it took a
bit of time to get it sorted.
I realize this is a late request as the VOTE is already running .. is it ok
to add him now? ;-)
If not we will
C'mon Marvin. The project has enough ASF committers on the initial
commiter list (ignoring mentors) to be able to conduct a committer
vote.
Lets not add unnecessary bureaucracy during the initial set-up phase.
Ross
On 17 June 2013 19:01, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote:
On Mon,
Added Debo to the initial committer list.
Azeez
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 11:30 PM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.comwrote:
I have not closed the vote yet because it ran over the weekend. I did
state I would leave it running into this week.
As champion I have no objection to you adding
I'm also not worried about figuring out how to do stuff .. :-).
Sanjiva.
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 11:34 PM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.comwrote:
C'mon Marvin. The project has enough ASF committers on the initial
commiter list (ignoring mentors) to be able to conduct a committer
: is it possible to add another initial committer?
Added Debo to the initial committer list.
Azeez
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 11:30 PM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.commailto:rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
I have not closed the vote yet because it ran over the weekend. I did
state I would
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