Why solve a problem that doesn't exist?

2003-08-14 Thread Jack Frosch
Open source projects typically solve a problem not addressed by commercial vendors, even if the problem is just the price being charged for the commercial solution. Yet we already have a very popular, open-source J2EE container in JBoss. Why must people's egos get in the way of common sense in

Re: Why solve a problem that doesn't exist?

2003-08-14 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
Quoting Greg Wilkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think there is strength in diversity - there are lots of models out there and people can try them all. True - to a certain degree. As almost everything in life. :-) The history of the attempts, failures and otherwise is spread over many public and

Why solve a problem that doesn't exist?

2003-08-14 Thread Jack Frosch
Open source projects typically solve a problem not addressed by commercial vendors, even if the problem is just the price being charged for the commercial solution. Yet we already have a very popular, open-source J2EE container in JBoss. Why must people's egos get in the way of common sense in

Re: Why solve a problem that doesn't exist?

2003-08-14 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Jochen, you wrote: Quoting Greg Wilkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]: However, open process is at least as important as open software. True. Apache has a totally open development process. Agreed. But the ASF has just given a bad example on this (IMO). Following the discussions on Geronimo in the last

Re: Why solve a problem that doesn't exist?

2003-08-14 Thread Greg Wilkins
Jochen Wiedmann wrote: Quoting Greg Wilkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]: However, open process is at least as important as open software. Agreed. But the ASF has just given a bad example on this (IMO). Following the discussions on Geronimo in the last days, my impression is that a lot of decisions (in

Re: Why solve a problem that doesn't exist?

2003-08-14 Thread Greg Wilkins
Jack Frosch wrote: How about swallowing your pride, giving up your aspirations of controlling every popular, open-source, significant project, and just embrace JBoss with support, MBean development, etc.? I have spent the last two years embracing JBoss. It is a great J2EE container and I

Re: Why solve a problem that doesn't exist?

2003-08-14 Thread Richard Monson-Haefel
Hmmm...this type of reasoning always amuses me. Perhaps everyone should just give up and join Microsoft. Jack Frosch wrote: Open source projects typically solve a problem not addressed by commercial vendors, even if the problem is just the price being charged for the commercial solution. Yet

RE: Why solve a problem that doesn't exist?

2003-08-14 Thread Danny Angus
Jochen, you wrote: Quoting Greg Wilkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]: However, open process is at least as important as open software. Agreed. But the ASF has just given a bad example on this (IMO). Following the discussions on Geronimo in the last days, my impression is that a lot of decisions

Re: Why solve a problem that doesn't exist?

2003-08-11 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 10:08 AM, Jack Frosch wrote: Open source projects typically solve a problem not addressed by commercial vendors, even if the problem is just the price being charged for the commercial solution. Yet we already have a very popular, open-source J2EE container in

Re: Why solve a problem that doesn't exist?

2003-08-09 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
On Friday, Aug 8, 2003, at 04:29 Europe/Rome, Jochen Wiedmann wrote: I am happy to say that Brian Behlendorf's reply to Marc Fleury is definitely what I wished here. I suggest to add this to the FAQ, at least the words on we are still open. Our of curiosity: where did you get the impression that