Re: binary release artifacts

2013-09-14 Thread Tim Williams
Moving this[1] to general@ On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 2:55 AM, ant elder wrote: > On Saturday, September 14, 2013, Tim Williams wrote: >> Hi Eric, >> I've included references inline for your convenience. I'll once again >> [strongly] suggest you guys remove that artifact. >> >> Thanks, >> --tim >>

Re: binary release artifacts

2013-09-15 Thread ant elder
Tim, one of the things we're trying to teach podlings is how to handle disputes and resolve problems in a happy respectful manner. You've out of the blue come on to their dev list without introducing yourself demanding that something that happened nearly two years ago be undone. Its a testament to

Re: binary release artifacts

2013-09-15 Thread Tim Williams
On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 5:19 AM, ant elder wrote: > Tim, one of the things we're trying to teach podlings is how to handle > disputes and resolve problems in a happy respectful manner. You've out > of the blue come on to their dev list without introducing yourself > demanding that something that h

Re: binary release artifacts

2013-09-15 Thread sebb
On 15 September 2013 14:16, Tim Williams wrote: > On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 5:19 AM, ant elder wrote: >> Tim, one of the things we're trying to teach podlings is how to handle >> disputes and resolve problems in a happy respectful manner. You've out >> of the blue come on to their dev list without

Re: binary release artifacts

2013-09-16 Thread ant elder
Perhaps, but AFAICT the existing documentation is either incorrect, lacking, or ambiguous so i've raised LEGAL-178 to clarify. ...ant On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 12:56 AM, sebb wrote: > On 15 September 2013 14:16, Tim Williams wrote: >> On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 5:19 AM, ant elder wrote: >>> Tim,

Re: binary release artifacts

2013-09-18 Thread Eric Yang
Thank you Elder for filing the LEGAL-178. Tim, the link provided is for source file headers and reference to Apache distribution of source code tarball. We will wait for LEGAL-178 to be resolved to react. This implies that Apache OpenOffice is also not doing the right thing. OpenOffice has its

Re: binary release artifacts

2013-09-18 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Eric Yang wrote: > Thank you Elder for filing the LEGAL-178. Tim, the link provided is for > source file headers and reference to Apache distribution of source code > tarball. We will wait for LEGAL-178 to be resolved to react. This implies > that Apache OpenOff

Re: binary release artifacts

2013-09-18 Thread ant elder
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 2:18 AM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: > As Tim and Luciano have already stated, artifacts which were not voted on > by > the IPMC cannot continue to be distributed though our channels. > Is that actually the case? AIUI the ASF only releases open source code. We vote on the sou

Re: binary release artifacts

2013-09-18 Thread Joseph Schaefer
Agreed. Convenience binaries have always been distributed on our mirrors. Only the corresponding source tarball requires a vote. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 19, 2013, at 2:40 AM, ant elder wrote: > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 2:18 AM, Marvin Humphrey > wrote: > > >> As Tim and Luciano have alr

Re: binary release artifacts

2013-09-19 Thread Luciano Resende
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 11:40 PM, ant elder wrote: > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 2:18 AM, Marvin Humphrey >wrote: > > > > As Tim and Luciano have already stated, artifacts which were not voted on > > by > > the IPMC cannot continue to be distributed though our channels. > > > > > Is that actually th

Re: binary release artifacts

2013-09-19 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 11:46 PM, Joseph Schaefer wrote: > Agreed. Convenience binaries have always been distributed on our mirrors. > Only the corresponding source tarball requires a vote. I suppose this thread has clarified what level of quality our users have a right to expect from "convenien

Re: binary release artifacts

2013-09-20 Thread Dave Fisher
If you have concerns about Apache OpenOffice it is no longer incubating. If you will contact the project on its lists with a concrete example. Otherwise to my knowledge LICENSE and NOTICES are correct at an appropriate level. Regards, Dave Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2013, at 7:49 PM, Eric

Re: binary release artifacts

2013-09-23 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 1:44 AM, ant elder wrote: > Perhaps, but AFAICT the existing documentation is either incorrect, > lacking, or ambiguous so i've raised LEGAL-178 to clarify. To close the loop, LEGAL-178 has been resolved with a determination that it's up to the Incubator PMC whether to lea

Re: binary release artifacts

2013-09-23 Thread Luciano Resende
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: > On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 1:44 AM, ant elder wrote: > > Perhaps, but AFAICT the existing documentation is either incorrect, > > lacking, or ambiguous so i've raised LEGAL-178 to clarify. > > To close the loop, LEGAL-178 has been resolved wi

Re: binary release artifacts

2013-09-23 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Luciano Resende wrote: > Thanks for the summary Marvin, how about we take the chance to update our > policy/documentation to clarify the social norm regarding placement of > LICENSE/NOTICE in the top level of a distribution but also clarify that, > any artifact b

Re: binary release artifacts

2013-09-23 Thread Luciano Resende
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: > On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Luciano Resende > wrote: > > > Thanks for the summary Marvin, how about we take the chance to update > our > > policy/documentation to clarify the social norm regarding placement of > > LICENSE/NOTICE in t

Re: binary release artifacts

2013-09-24 Thread ant elder
I closed LEGAL-178 with the resolution "Not A Problem", which is quite different to a resolution of "Fixed" or "Resolved" or "Answered". >From my investigation, things like the text of the AL and various posts in the mailing lists over the years answered the question to my satisfaction. I doubt ev

Re: binary release artifacts

2013-09-24 Thread sebb
On 24 September 2013 10:05, ant elder wrote: > I closed LEGAL-178 with the resolution "Not A Problem", which is quite > different to a resolution of "Fixed" or "Resolved" or "Answered". > > From my investigation, things like the text of the AL and various posts in > the mailing lists over the year

Re: binary release artifacts

2013-09-25 Thread Fabian Christ
Hi Luciano, 2013/9/24 Luciano Resende : > Is there any written policy that states that ? I have never heard that the > ASF can't have binary artifacts as official releases ? It's because "Apache releases open source and ONLY open source." [1] to quote Roy. [1] http://markmail.org/message/yzetzkh