Re: binary release artifacts

2013-09-25 Thread Fabian Christ
Hi Luciano, 2013/9/24 Luciano Resende luckbr1...@gmail.com: Is there any written policy that states that ? I have never heard that the ASF can't have binary artifacts as official releases ? It's because Apache releases open source and ONLY open source. [1] to quote Roy. [1]

Re: binary release artifacts

2013-09-24 Thread ant elder
I closed LEGAL-178 with the resolution Not A Problem, which is quite different to a resolution of Fixed or Resolved or Answered. From my investigation, things like the text of the AL and various posts in the mailing lists over the years answered the question to my satisfaction. I doubt everyone

Re: binary release artifacts

2013-09-24 Thread sebb
On 24 September 2013 10:05, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: I closed LEGAL-178 with the resolution Not A Problem, which is quite different to a resolution of Fixed or Resolved or Answered. From my investigation, things like the text of the AL and various posts in the mailing lists over

Re: binary release artifacts

2013-09-23 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 1:44 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps, but AFAICT the existing documentation is either incorrect, lacking, or ambiguous so i've raised LEGAL-178 to clarify. To close the loop, LEGAL-178 has been resolved with a determination that it's up to the Incubator

Re: binary release artifacts

2013-09-23 Thread Luciano Resende
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.comwrote: On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 1:44 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps, but AFAICT the existing documentation is either incorrect, lacking, or ambiguous so i've raised LEGAL-178 to clarify. To close the

Re: binary release artifacts

2013-09-23 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Luciano Resende luckbr1...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the summary Marvin, how about we take the chance to update our policy/documentation to clarify the social norm regarding placement of LICENSE/NOTICE in the top level of a distribution but also clarify

Re: binary release artifacts

2013-09-23 Thread Luciano Resende
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.comwrote: On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Luciano Resende luckbr1...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the summary Marvin, how about we take the chance to update our policy/documentation to clarify the social norm regarding

Re: binary release artifacts

2013-09-20 Thread Dave Fisher
If you have concerns about Apache OpenOffice it is no longer incubating. If you will contact the project on its lists with a concrete example. Otherwise to my knowledge LICENSE and NOTICES are correct at an appropriate level. Regards, Dave Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2013, at 7:49 PM,

Re: binary release artifacts

2013-09-19 Thread ant elder
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 2:18 AM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.comwrote: As Tim and Luciano have already stated, artifacts which were not voted on by the IPMC cannot continue to be distributed though our channels. Is that actually the case? AIUI the ASF only releases open source code.

Re: binary release artifacts

2013-09-19 Thread Joseph Schaefer
Agreed. Convenience binaries have always been distributed on our mirrors. Only the corresponding source tarball requires a vote. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 19, 2013, at 2:40 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 2:18 AM, Marvin Humphrey

Re: binary release artifacts

2013-09-19 Thread Luciano Resende
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 11:40 PM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 2:18 AM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote: As Tim and Luciano have already stated, artifacts which were not voted on by the IPMC cannot continue to be distributed though our

Re: binary release artifacts

2013-09-19 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 11:46 PM, Joseph Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: Agreed. Convenience binaries have always been distributed on our mirrors. Only the corresponding source tarball requires a vote. I suppose this thread has clarified what level of quality our users have a right to

Re: binary release artifacts

2013-09-18 Thread Eric Yang
Thank you Elder for filing the LEGAL-178. Tim, the link provided is for source file headers and reference to Apache distribution of source code tarball. We will wait for LEGAL-178 to be resolved to react. This implies that Apache OpenOffice is also not doing the right thing. OpenOffice has its

Re: binary release artifacts

2013-09-18 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Eric Yang eric...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you Elder for filing the LEGAL-178. Tim, the link provided is for source file headers and reference to Apache distribution of source code tarball. We will wait for LEGAL-178 to be resolved to react. This implies that

Re: binary release artifacts

2013-09-16 Thread ant elder
Perhaps, but AFAICT the existing documentation is either incorrect, lacking, or ambiguous so i've raised LEGAL-178 to clarify. ...ant On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 12:56 AM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 15 September 2013 14:16, Tim Williams william...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at

Re: binary release artifacts

2013-09-15 Thread ant elder
Tim, one of the things we're trying to teach podlings is how to handle disputes and resolve problems in a happy respectful manner. You've out of the blue come on to their dev list without introducing yourself demanding that something that happened nearly two years ago be undone. Its a testament to

Re: binary release artifacts

2013-09-15 Thread Tim Williams
On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 5:19 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: Tim, one of the things we're trying to teach podlings is how to handle disputes and resolve problems in a happy respectful manner. You've out of the blue come on to their dev list without introducing yourself demanding that

Re: binary release artifacts

2013-09-15 Thread sebb
On 15 September 2013 14:16, Tim Williams william...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 5:19 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: Tim, one of the things we're trying to teach podlings is how to handle disputes and resolve problems in a happy respectful manner. You've out of the blue

Re: binary release artifacts

2013-09-14 Thread Tim Williams
Moving this[1] to general@ On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 2:55 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, September 14, 2013, Tim Williams william...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Eric, I've included references inline for your convenience. I'll once again [strongly] suggest you guys remove that