Re: releasing from incubator? -- was: Re: a beehive release and the JSR 181 TCK issue

2005-06-15 Thread Cliff Schmidt
On 6/11/05, Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard Feit wrote: This is just a case where we need all the input we can get. We'll see if we can get some additional mentoring for you. I believe that we'll have another volunteer to also spend time helping beehive along. :-) I can

Re: releasing from incubator? -- was: Re: a beehive release and the JSR 181 TCK issue

2005-06-15 Thread general
Thanks Cliff! Getting feedback from you on these issues would be a nice bonus for us. I think the main thing is that, along the lines of Noel's comments and advice, if you see anything the Beehive project can do to better apply ASF principles, it would be great for us to hear it. This kind

Re: releasing from incubator? -- was: Re: a beehive release and the JSR 181 TCK issue

2005-06-15 Thread Rich Feit
Thanks Cliff! Getting feedback from you on these issues would be a nice bonus for us. I think the main thing is that, along the lines of Noel's comments and advice, if you see anything the Beehive project can do to better apply ASF principles, it would be great for us to hear it. This kind

RE: releasing from incubator? -- was: Re: a beehive release and the JSR 181 TCK issue

2005-06-11 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Richard Feit wrote: we need all the guidance we can get in achieving that. How has it been going? Have you had input from the project Mentor(s)? Definitely. Craig (McClanahan) has chimed in publicly and privately, with both solicited and unsolicited advice. He's been great about

Re: releasing from incubator? -- was: Re: a beehive release and the JSR 181 TCK issue

2005-06-08 Thread Cliff Schmidt
On 6/7/05, Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It just doesn't make sense to me to tell a community that believes it has a 1.0 quality product that they have to call it a test snapshot. Demo? Technology preview? Milestone? Happy Meal? All of those terms (or at least the first three

RE: releasing from incubator? -- was: Re: a beehive release and the JSR 181 TCK issue

2005-06-08 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Cliff Schmidt wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: It just doesn't make sense to me to tell a community that believes it has a 1.0 quality product that they have to call it a test snapshot. Demo? Technology preview? Milestone? Happy Meal? If we are keeping a project in incubation until its

Re: releasing from incubator? -- was: Re: a beehive release and the JSR 181 TCK issue

2005-06-08 Thread Richard Feit
I've been a bit hung up on the idea that since Derby has done several official releases from within the Incubator (e.g., Version 10.0.2.1 at http://incubator.apache.org/derby/derby_downloads.html#Official+Releases ), Beehive should be able to do the same thing. I think a lot of us have been

Re: releasing from incubator? -- was: Re: a beehive release and the JSR 181 TCK issue

2005-06-08 Thread Daniel John Debrunner
Richard Feit wrote: I've been a bit hung up on the idea that since Derby has done several official releases from within the Incubator (e.g., Version 10.0.2.1 at http://incubator.apache.org/derby/derby_downloads.html#Official+Releases ), Beehive should be able to do the same thing. I think a

RE: releasing from incubator? -- was: Re: a beehive release and the JSR 181 TCK issue

2005-06-08 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Richard Feit wrote: I've been a bit hung up on the idea that since Derby has done several official releases from within the Incubator (e.g., Version 10.0.2.1 at http://incubator.apache.org/derby/derby_downloads.html#Official+Releases I can appreciate that view. I hadn't noticed the use of

Re: releasing from incubator? -- was: Re: a beehive release and the JSR 181 TCK issue

2005-06-08 Thread Cliff Schmidt
On 6/8/05, Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW, versioning schemes such as: M.mQB where M == major, m == minor, Q in [D:Development, A:Alpha, B:Beta, R:Release], and B == Build# encode the release type. I supposed that 1.0m1 represents a milestone. In any event, I'm sure

RE: releasing from incubator? -- was: Re: a beehive release and the JSR 181 TCK issue

2005-06-08 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Richard Feit wrote: it would be very healthy for us to focus solely on exiting the Incubator. We are totally committed to building a real dev community around Beehive Neither of those was in doubt. :-) we need all the guidance we can get in achieving that. How has it been going? Have

Re: releasing from incubator? -- was: Re: a beehive release and the JSR 181 TCK issue

2005-06-08 Thread Richard Feit
Noel J. Bergman wrote: Richard Feit wrote: it would be very healthy for us to focus solely on exiting the Incubator. We are totally committed to building a real dev community around Beehive Neither of those was in doubt. :-) we need all the guidance we can get in achieving

Re: releasing from incubator? -- was: Re: a beehive release and the JSR 181 TCK issue

2005-06-07 Thread Daniel John Debrunner
Cliff Schmidt wrote: Here is my opinion on the whole release issue, which has not changed in 18 months since the first big discussion of releases and incubation branding. [snip] Maybe folks are confused by this sentence in the 'Minimum Exit Requirements' section.

Re: releasing from incubator? -- was: Re: a beehive release and the JSR 181 TCK issue

2005-06-07 Thread Cliff Schmidt
On 6/7/05, Daniel John Debrunner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Minimum+Exit+Requirements quote Note: incubator projects are not permitted to issue an official Release. Test snapshots (however good the quality) and Release plans are OK.

RE: releasing from incubator? -- was: Re: a beehive release and the JSR 181 TCK issue

2005-06-07 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Cliff Schmidt wrote: Daniel John Debrunner wrote: http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Minimum+Exit+R equirements Note: incubator projects are not permitted to issue an official Release. Test snapshots (however good the quality) and Release plans are OK.

Re: releasing from incubator? -- was: Re: a beehive release and the JSR 181 TCK issue

2005-06-07 Thread Erik Abele
On 07.06.2005, at 22:48, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Demo? Technology preview? Milestone? Happy Meal? Look, maybe this is hard to understand, especially if people are coming from an enviroment focused on code quality first, but this isn't about the state of the code. It is about the state

RE: releasing from incubator? -- was: Re: a beehive release and the JSR 181 TCK issue

2005-06-01 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Eddie O'Neil wrote: I've heard a couple of times that it's not possible to do a -final release from the Incubator, but I've also heard some suggest that it could be possible. It should not be done, by definition of being in the Incubator. Didn't Derby do one of these in December 2004 as

Re: releasing from incubator? -- was: Re: a beehive release and the JSR 181 TCK issue

2005-06-01 Thread Eddie ONeil
CIL... If I'm messing up terminology Oh, the terminology got messed up long ago. LOL :-) Even the term Release has different connotations. It is neutral in the HTTP Server project (beta and GA releases, for example), whereas Jakarta refers to Nightly builds, Milestone builds and

Re: releasing from incubator? -- was: Re: a beehive release and the JSR 181 TCK issue

2005-05-31 Thread Leo Simons
On 31-05-2005 03:51, Eddie O'Neil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've heard a couple of times that it's not possible to do a -final release from the Incubator, but I've also heard some suggest that it could be possible. Nope. Didn't Derby do one of these in December 2004 as per:

Re: releasing from incubator? -- was: Re: a beehive release and the JSR 181 TCK issue

2005-05-31 Thread Eddie O'Neil
CIL... Leo Simons wrote: On 31-05-2005 03:51, Eddie O'Neil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've heard a couple of times that it's not possible to do a -final release from the Incubator, but I've also heard some suggest that it could be possible. Nope. Okay, so I take it there's a

releasing from incubator? -- was: Re: a beehive release and the JSR 181 TCK issue

2005-05-30 Thread Eddie O'Neil
Noel-- I've heard a couple of times that it's not possible to do a -final release from the Incubator, but I've also heard some suggest that it could be possible. Didn't Derby do one of these in December 2004 as per: