Re: an experiment

2010-08-16 Thread Benson Margulies
There is some obvious compromises opportunity here. On releases, the iPMC could decide, by internal convention, to let the involved three mentors (when there are three involved members) be the relevant voice. iPMC members could pledge to defer to the involved mentors unless they feel that there is

Re: an experiment

2010-08-16 Thread Benson Margulies
wrote: On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: On committers there is a legal / procedural clarification called for. Perhaps I'm just dense, but I got the strong impression from the recent email at members@ that there was much more flexibility possible

Re: Stop the vitriolic name calling please.

2010-08-17 Thread Benson Margulies
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 4:15 AM, Martijn Dashorst martijn.dasho...@gmail.com wrote: As a Member, and mentor, I take offense at being called a hawk, lunatic, drive-by-shooter, process-obstructor, etc. As a very freshly printed member of this PMC, there are, of course, some limits on what

Re: Need some clarity on a small size code donation

2010-08-18 Thread Benson Margulies
My understanding is that for a 'category A' license like BSD you just add it to NOTICES. On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:27 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@apache.org wrote: Over on the Clerezza project I've been asked some advice about a legal situation that I'm not 100% sure about, I'm pretty sure it's a

Re: Need some clarity on a small size code donation

2010-08-18 Thread Benson Margulies
I'm sure I read the rules for this on some ASF web page only a week or so ago ... On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@apache.org wrote: On 18/08/2010 13:59, Benson Margulies wrote: My understanding is that for a 'category A' license like BSD you just add it to NOTICES

Re: Need some clarity on a small size code donation

2010-08-18 Thread Benson Margulies
http://www.apache.org/legal/src-headers.html On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Bruno Harbulot bruno.harbu...@manchester.ac.uk wrote: Hi, On 18/08/2010 14:23, Ross Gardler wrote: On 18/08/2010 13:59, Benson Margulies wrote: My understanding is that for a 'category A' license like BSD you

Mentoring river

2010-08-21 Thread Benson Margulies
I'm signing up to mentor. Do I edit the status page, or does a PPMC member edit it? Has anyone noticed that 'to mentor' and 'tormentor' are only one character off? - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Re: Mentoring river

2010-08-22 Thread Benson Margulies
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 12:54 AM, Niclas Hedhman nic...@hedhman.org wrote: On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: I'm signing up to mentor. Do I edit the status page, or does a PPMC member edit it? I normally need to that myself in the past. Ah, so

When a committer leaves ...

2010-08-23 Thread Benson Margulies
What's the protocol when a committer leaves? Just edit them out of the template? The mentor procedure talks about adds (but does not mention the https://svn.apache.org/repos/infra/infrastructure/trunk/subversion/authorization/asf-authorization-template) but does not mention deletes.

Re: When a committer leaves ...

2010-08-23 Thread Benson Margulies
for graduation, based on my experience back on CXF, I'm thinking that it would be good to trim the committer list by at least removing people who actively aren't interested. --benson On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Luciano Resende luckbr1...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Benson

Fwd: [RESULT] [VOTE] Patricia Shanahan for committer account

2010-08-23 Thread Benson Margulies
passes as follows (* marks an IPMC vote):    +1 Benson Margulies *    +1 Jukka Zitting *    +1 Peter Firmstone    +1 Tom Hobbs Thanks for voting! We still need one more IPMC vote to ratify this decision. Benson promised to follow up on this with the IPMC. BR, Jukka Zitting

Re: When a committer leaves ...

2010-08-23 Thread Benson Margulies
who answered positively to an email on the subject. If everyone else agrees with Luciano and Niclas I'll sit down. On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Niclas Hedhman nic...@hedhman.org wrote: On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 1:45 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: Luciano, A River committer

Access to the incubator group

2010-08-23 Thread Benson Margulies
Noel, Adding me to the PMC didn't add me to the ldap group so that I could update the web site. I opened a ticket, but sebb points out that this was an act of lese majesty, and the request needs to come from you. Could you please comment on https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-2948 to make

Re: Access to the incubator group

2010-08-23 Thread Benson Margulies
The PMC chair is responsible for updating the permissions file - and has the karma to do so. Details are in the file header comments. OK, I didn't know that. Could you please comment on https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-2948 to make them happy? --benson

Re: Fwd: [RESULT] [VOTE] Patricia Shanahan for committer account

2010-08-24 Thread Benson Margulies
Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote: Should have been s/general@/private@/? Benson Margulies wrote on Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 17:16:24 -0400: We are short one IPMC vote for a new River committer. She's been an enthusiastic contributor. -- Forwarded message -- From: Jukka Zitting

Re: [VOTE] ALOIS to enter the incubator

2010-08-26 Thread Benson Margulies
I don't see anything explicit in here about relicensing from GPL to ASL. Perhaps that was hashed out before I joined the PMC? I'm +0 tending toward -1 without an explicit statement that the copyright owners are known and on board with the license change. On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Urs

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Isis

2010-08-26 Thread Benson Margulies
+1, binding. On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Siegfried Goeschl siegfried.goes...@it20one.at wrote: Hi Dan, +1 (non-binding) Cheers, Siegfried Goeschl On 24.08.10 19:12, Dan Haywood wrote: I'd like to formally propose a new project for the incubator, Apache Isis. If accepted, Isis

Re: [VOTE] ALOIS to enter the incubator

2010-08-26 Thread Benson Margulies
in the proposal. Do you think that ain't enough? Best Urs Am Donnerstag, den 26.08.2010, 12:17 -0400 schrieb Benson Margulies: I don't see anything explicit in here about relicensing from GPL to ASL. Perhaps that was hashed out before I joined the PMC? I'm +0 tending toward -1 without an explicit

River status

2010-08-27 Thread Benson Margulies
There's a very satisfying buzz of activity at River these days. My fellow mentors would like to see more actual commits, but I'm an optimist. This leads me to open this thread, more as a general exploration of the PMC's view of the exit process than anything else. Before I joined the incubator

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Isis

2010-08-30 Thread Benson Margulies
Um, Well, maven still uses Codehaus JIRA that lacks the 'grant to Apache' checkbox. Perhaps they separately negotiate iclas. On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 7:57 AM, Tim Williams william...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 7:39 AM, Mohammad Nour El-Din nour.moham...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Tim...

Re: Name change from Lucene Connectors Framework to Apache Connectors Framework

2010-08-30 Thread Benson Margulies
It seems to me that the pivotal problem here is the word connector. On the one hand, it could mean almost anything to almost anyone. On the other hand, it has a specific denotation in the vicinity of httpd. Everything at Apache is in the vicinity of httpd. I'd offer the following 'made-up'

Re: Name change from Lucene Connectors Framework to Apache Connectors Framework

2010-08-30 Thread Benson Margulies
ok, I fell off the main sequence. On Aug 30, 2010, at 1:39 PM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote: FWIW, helium is the output product of a sun-like star, not the fuel. That would be hydrogen. Karl On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.comwrote: It seems

Re: [VOTE] Isis to enter the incubator

2010-09-01 Thread Benson Margulies
(+1 binding) On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Niclas Hedhman nic...@hedhman.org wrote: +1, binding On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Dan Haywood dkhayw...@gmail.com wrote:  The Isis proposal has now been updated with a champion and several new mentors (thanks again guys), and is ready to be

You have already been subscribed ...

2010-09-01 Thread Benson Margulies
Jukka's template for email to new committers tell them that they are 'already subscribed' to river-private. How do I do that? I would have expected the new person to send in a subscription request and have the moderator add them.

Re: You have already been subscribed ...

2010-09-01 Thread Benson Margulies
Could you please take care of 'pats' for me in that case this time? On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: Jukka's template for email to new committers tell them

new committers

2010-09-01 Thread Benson Margulies
root notified us of a raft of new committers. Is someone in stock with karma to grant karma? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org

Re: new committers

2010-09-01 Thread Benson Margulies
Thanks, sorry about the out-of-order email responses. On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Craig L Russell craig.russ...@oracle.com wrote: Done. Craig On Sep 1, 2010, at 4:50 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: root notified us of a raft of new committers. Is someone in stock with karma to grant karma

Re: new committers

2010-09-01 Thread Benson Margulies
: Generally the mentors will do this for their respective podlings. On 02/09/2010, at 9:50 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: root notified us of a raft of new committers. Is someone in stock with karma to grant karma

Re: new committers

2010-09-01 Thread Benson Margulies
with enough access (whatever their visibility) are not terribly numerous. So I thought a message to general was the most efficient way to put a lit-up bat in the sky to attract someone. On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 10:32 PM, Brett Porter br...@apache.org wrote: On 02/09/2010, at 11:37 AM, Benson Margulies

podling reporting

2010-09-05 Thread Benson Margulies
There's this: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html#Edit+your+project+status+report . And then the River folks got a reminder email with other instructions, as per this message from Tom Hobbs. No, that's not what I did. I followed the Confluence link in the Your report is due email

ISIS vote result

2010-09-07 Thread Benson Margulies
I just created the first JIRA for ISIS infrastructure, but I have this sinking feeling that I've gotten ahead of myself. Should I have waited for Noel to formally announce the vote results, or does Dan's email do the job?

Re: ISIS vote result

2010-09-07 Thread Benson Margulies
be good to give us a chance to do some of these things On Sep 7, 2010 7:49 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: I just created the first JIRA for ISIS infrastructure, but I have this sinking feeling that I've gotten ahead of myself. Should I have waited for Noel to formally announce

ISIS housewarming

2010-09-07 Thread Benson Margulies
If any kind souls in the intersection of infra and incubator would care to create some mailing lists (INFRA-2971) or set up a JIRA project (an internal incubator matter according to the web page), I would be most grateful. I'm hoping to start using the lists really soon to help the mentors

Re: ISIS housewarming

2010-09-07 Thread Benson Margulies
. If this is not making people happy I'll retreat and retrench. On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 5:55 PM, Luciano Resende luckbr1...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: If any kind souls in the intersection of infra and incubator would care to create

Re: ISIS housewarming

2010-09-07 Thread Benson Margulies
, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: If any kind souls in the intersection of infra and incubator would care to create some mailing lists (INFRA-2971) or set up a JIRA project (an internal incubator matter according to the web page), I would be most grateful. I'm hoping to start

Re: ISIS housewarming

2010-09-07 Thread Benson Margulies
Thanks. On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Gav... ga...@16degrees.com.au wrote: -Original Message- From: Benson Margulies [mailto:bimargul...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 8 September 2010 8:07 AM To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: ISIS housewarming Well, hmm. My

Re: ISIS housewarming

2010-09-07 Thread Benson Margulies
Message- From: Benson Margulies [mailto:bimargul...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 8 September 2010 8:14 AM To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: ISIS housewarming Also, the mentor page specifically tells us to get assistance inside of the incubator for JIRA

Re: No dev-, user- lists for small podlings (was: Re: [PROPOSAL] Kitty to Enter the Incubator)

2010-09-08 Thread Benson Margulies
Well, we could neglect to tell anyone about the user list until we need it. On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 3:16 AM, Dan Haywood dkhayw...@gmail.com wrote: Isis mentors: Given we're in the same situation and are still being bootstrapped, should we follow this advice, ie start off with a combined

Outsmarted myself with the mailing list system

2010-09-11 Thread Benson Margulies
It looks to me as if I asked Infra to list me as a mod under my apache email alias, but of the actual 'from' that shows up is my gmail. What do others do? Just list their working from, instead?

Re: Accepting patches in a podling

2010-09-13 Thread Benson Margulies
All patches should be attached to JIRAs with the 'grant' checkbox checked. Only if they are large do you then have to contemplate asking for a CLA and going through the clearance process. Or so I understand it. On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 8:55 PM, David Lutterkort lut...@redhat.com wrote: What is

Re: Accepting patches in a podling

2010-09-13 Thread Benson Margulies
much less effort for them than filing a JIRA. And imposing less work on patch submitters is Good. Benson Margulies wrote on Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 20:58:06 -0400: All patches should be attached to JIRAs with the 'grant' checkbox checked. Only if they are large do you then have

Re: Accepting patches in a podling

2010-09-13 Thread Benson Margulies
a community more of less from scratch. In other words, this message was doubly not intended to be interpreted relative to the svn project, which is no longer a podling and was never being bootstrapped from scratch in the incubator. On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 10:03 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul

Fwd: Help with SVN access to River

2010-09-14 Thread Benson Margulies
More Infra-Capable incubator PMC members, help? -- Forwarded message -- From: Patricia Shanahan p...@acm.org Date: Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:30 AM Subject: Re: Help with SVN access to River To: Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com Here's an example. Maybe there is something else

Re: Help with SVN access to River

2010-09-14 Thread Benson Margulies
if the request is valid) to update the asf-authorization-template file. See: http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#SVNaccess On 14 September 2010 14:48, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: More Infra-Capable incubator PMC members, help? -- Forwarded message -- From

Re: [PROPOSAL] Gora to enter Incubator

2010-09-14 Thread Benson Margulies
Does he have to be a commuter? Perhaps it's a non-abelian project? On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: Hey Andrew, Great! Please add yourself to the wiki page as a commuter and we'd love a helping hand! Cheers, Chris Sent from

Re: Accepting patches in a podling

2010-09-15 Thread Benson Margulies
This seems a very workable approach - going through Jira for everything is too much work on the part of the contributer. On the one hand, I want to stand off and let any community make its own way within the light constraints of the license policy. On the other hand, I am honestly mystified

Re: [VOTE] ALOIS to enter the incubator

2010-09-16 Thread Benson Margulies
+1 On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 7:16 AM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.comwrote: All, this vote will fail in three hours because nobody responds to it. Are there any objections against this proposal? Or why is this vote ignored? Best regards, Christian On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:06

Re: Real-time communication (was [VOTE] ALOIS to enter the incubator)

2010-09-17 Thread Benson Margulies
+1. It's hypocrisy to tell podlings that chat is entirely intolerable when plenty of running projects have them. On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Glen Daniels g...@thoughtcraft.com wrote: On 9/17/2010 9:41 AM, Urs Lerch wrote: To cut a long story short: ALOIS is _not_ about a chat channel, it's

P-PMC versus P-committers

2010-09-21 Thread Benson Margulies
Here's a pretty silly question. Do podlings maintain a distinction between PMC and committers, or is a podling PMC in fact the set of people with commit access? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org

Account requests and user names

2010-09-22 Thread Benson Margulies
Folks, Contrary to the doc on the incubator site, there's really no reason to ask new people for three proposed user names. All you have to do is to look at the global committer list and see if their first choice is available, and then go around only in case of collision. Root does not mind

Re: HISE community needs to grow

2010-09-25 Thread Benson Margulies
Rafal, Your message doesn't make sense to me. 'blind'? All the PPMC members of the project should be on the hise-private mailing list, and should be involved in the discussion about a proposed new committer. Once the PPMC decides that they want to add a committer, a vote then has to run on the

Re: HISE community needs to grow

2010-09-25 Thread Benson Margulies
wrote: On 25 September 2010 18:47, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: Rafal, Your message doesn't make sense to me. 'blind'? All the PPMC members of the project should be on the hise-private mailing list, and should be involved in the discussion about a proposed new committer. Once

Re: HISE community needs to grow

2010-09-25 Thread Benson Margulies
community needs to grow On 25 September 2010 18:47, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:  Rafal, Your message doesn't make sense to me. 'blind'? All the  PPMC members of the project should be on the hise-private mailing list,  and should be involved in the discussion about

Re: HISE community needs to grow

2010-09-25 Thread Benson Margulies
, do we need another vote to fix this, or can someone just repair? - Original Message From: Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com To: general@incubator.apache.org Sent: Sat, September 25, 2010 10:20:23 PM Subject: Re: HISE community needs to grow On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 10:06 PM

Re: HISE community needs to grow

2010-09-27 Thread Benson Margulies
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 11:44 AM, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: +1 To more or less quote Joe S on this subject ... The purpose of the incubation process is to support and supervise the podling *behaving like a PMC*. end more or less quote/ Even though PPMC actions are

Re: Podling to use native git

2010-10-01 Thread Benson Margulies
Well, the last time I had to know, ASF SVN was not 1.6, and the only merge technology was svnmerge.py, and make sure there's no Chinese in your log comments :-) It works. It doesn't work nearly so well as git for merging. CXF developers routinely use git-svn for feature branches. For all I know,

Moderation on messages from JIRA

2010-10-04 Thread Benson Margulies
How do I fix the isis-dev mailing list so that message from JIRA don't get moderated? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org

Java package names

2010-10-12 Thread Benson Margulies
River imported packages of code from the original Sun grant under the name 'com.sun.whatever'. How important is it to change that? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands,

Re: Java package names

2010-10-12 Thread Benson Margulies
employed by downstream developers.  I think all new code should go elsewhere if possible, but changing the existing com.sun.jini packages would be hard on existing users. Chris -Original Message- From: Benson Margulies [mailto:bimargul...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010

Re: Clerezza, Stanbol, Jena, Semantic Commons, WDYT?

2010-11-08 Thread Benson Margulies
I sense an iPhone at work here. Would that be Omar Sharif? On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@apache.org wrote: For me this proposal means we should be aware of possibilities. There is no intention of forcing collaboration on incubating projects. Each project should

Re: [Proposal] Accept Jena into the Incubator

2010-11-08 Thread Benson Margulies
I use Jena at my day-job, so if there's a mentor shortage you can draft me. On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@apache.org wrote: I am pleased to offer, for your consideration, the following proposal to accept Jena, a semantic web framework into the incubator. The text of the

Re: [Proposal] Accept Jena into the Incubator

2010-11-12 Thread Benson Margulies
CyberNeko is at least class B, since Tika uses it. On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Jeremy Carroll jer...@topquadrant.com wrote: On 11/12/2010 11:51 AM, Paolo Castagna wrote: Also (from the JenaProposal): The Jena GRDDL Reader has some additional dependencies:

Re: [Proposal] Accept Jena into the Incubator

2010-11-12 Thread Benson Margulies
CyberNeko and TagSoup both have acceptable licenses. Some people prefer TagSoup because it does not require Xerces. Have you read http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html? On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Jeremy Carroll jer...@topquadrant.com wrote: On 11/12/2010 5:47 PM, Benson Margulies

Re: [Proposal] Accept Jena into the Incubator

2010-11-13 Thread Benson Margulies
The author of Saxon is in a public feud with Maven. He likes to claim that Maven publication violates his license. If you go the route you quote, you have to publish it under your own groupId, and not his, and not Apache's. However, Someone published: dependency groupIdnet.sf.saxon/groupId

Re: [Proposal] Accept Jena into the Incubator

2010-11-13 Thread Benson Margulies
The resolver comes from here at Apache. No need to list it. On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 12:12 AM, Paolo Castagna castagna.li...@googlemail.com wrote: Jeremy Carroll wrote: I think this comes down to saxon as the issue is this helpful?

Re: [Proposal] Accept Jena into the Incubator

2010-11-13 Thread Benson Margulies
It's resolved as far as I am concerned, I'm just answering questions. On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@apache.org wrote: All, Resolving IP issues are a part of the incubation process not the acceptance process It is not necessary to delay entry into the incubator

Re: Missing reports: DeltaCloud, Droids, HISE, ISIS, Kitty, Lucy, Stonehenge, VCL, Wookie

2010-11-15 Thread Benson Margulies
I signed off. On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Dan Haywood dkhayw...@gmail.com wrote: I've updated the report [1] for Isis.  It still needs to be reviewed by our mentors (Mark Struberg did so last time) . [1] http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/November2010 On 15/11/2010 20:03, Noel J.

Re: [DISCUSS] Poddling new committer process

2010-11-17 Thread Benson Margulies
+1 to the proposal. What makes me uneasy about this is that, notwithstanding the one mentor vote, we are basically saying that the bar for ASF committership can now be defined solely by a group of people who might have no knowledge, as yet, of the Apache way in general and the way

Re: [VOTE] Accept Jena into the incubator

2010-11-17 Thread Benson Margulies
Carroll == Sponsors == === Champion === Ross Gardler (rgardler .at. apache.org === Nominated Mentors ===  * Bertrand Delacretaz (bdelacretaz .at. apache.org)  * Leo Simons  (leosimons .at. apache.org)  * Dave Johnson (snoopdave .at. gmail.com)  * Benson Margulies (bimargulies .at. gmail.com

Re: [VOTE] Accept Jena into the incubator

2010-11-21 Thread Benson Margulies
Simons  (leosimons .at. apache.org)  * Dave Johnson (snoopdave .at. gmail.com)  * Benson Margulies (bimargulies .at. gmail.com) === Sponsoring Entity === Incubator PMC -- rgard...@apache.org @rgardler - To unsubscribe

Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenNLP for incubation

2010-11-21 Thread Benson Margulies
+1 binding On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 5:34 AM, Andreas Kuckartz a.kucka...@ping.de wrote: +1 (non-binding) lets vote on the acceptance of the OpenNLP Project for incubation at the Apache Incubator. The proposal is on the wiki http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenNLPProposal and a copy is

Re: [ISIS] Re: Conference call

2010-11-22 Thread Benson Margulies
As a mentor of ISIS, I'd like to ask everyone to give them a little breathing room on this subject. Many TLP's in good standing have active IRC channels. These have very closely related risks to open communities. Many TLPs in good standing hold in-person meetups from time to time. This is not to

Re: [ISIS] Re: Conference call

2010-11-22 Thread Benson Margulies
community - isn't shuffled under the rug.  IMO, we should be messaging about how to do it well if it's desired, not whether or not to do it at all. Thanks, --Glen On 11/22/2010 8:56 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: As a mentor of ISIS, I'd like to ask everyone to give them a little breathing room

Re: [ISIS] Re: Conference call

2010-11-24 Thread Benson Margulies
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Bernd Fondermann bernd.fonderm...@googlemail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 16:16, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: I am nothing if not chronically disingenuous. My first concern in responding here is a process concern. As far as I can tell

Re: [ISIS] Re: Conference call

2010-11-24 Thread Benson Margulies
Instead of continuing this thread, I'd invite any of you to start watching the isis dev list, and report in if you see evidence of a failure to respect the core values that underly this argument. Isis has several mentors. I am only one. The mentors, in general, felt that the project had a strong

[DISCUSS] real-time communications

2010-11-24 Thread Benson Margulies
Some reading the thread on the ISIS podling's use of Skype may feel that I am dismissing their opinions or disregarding an established policy. To do penance for any perceived slight, and to make it perfectly clear that it is my intention to respect established policy, I am starting this thread

Minor confusion on the IP clearance front ...

2010-11-24 Thread Benson Margulies
I find myself, for the first time, in the position of being the go-to mentor for a new launch. Last time around, the other mentors were so enthusiastic that I didn't have to do anything except type up the first three INFRA JIRAs. I'm trying to get my head wrapped around the IP clearance process.

Re: [DISCUSS] real-time communications

2010-11-24 Thread Benson Margulies
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote: The premise of this discussion is that running Apache projects are *permitted* to engage in real-time communications, so long as they take due care to avoid community problems of exclusion and closed decision making.

Clarification about SGA versus CCLA

2010-11-26 Thread Benson Margulies
I can't find anything in [1] that states any conditions in which a CCLA won't do and an SGA is required instead. The Jena podling has asked me. Their situation is that an HP copyright is thought to cover all the 'corporate' code, and they wonder if there is any reason for them to chase an SGA on

Re: Clarification about SGA versus CCLA

2010-11-27 Thread Benson Margulies
the software grant plus an acknowledgement that people in the company are going to work on Apache projects, whether on their own time or company time. So, if a CCLA is filed naming the software, a separate SGA is *not* necessary. Craig On Nov 26, 2010, at 10:48 AM, Benson Margulies wrote

Re: Clarification about SGA versus CCLA

2010-11-27 Thread Benson Margulies
Well, this is going to depend on how the copyrights work, I guess. If it's clear that HP owns the copyright (all the HP people were working for hire), then a CCLA from HP will cover it. However, IANTL. - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Re: Clarification about SGA versus CCLA

2010-11-29 Thread Benson Margulies
I made an edit to the incubator site. What do you think of it? On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote: Would you recommend that I edit the mentor page on the site with this clarification, or should we wait for more polyphony? If you really feel that there

Could any of the incu-infra-bators help with OpenNLP?

2010-11-30 Thread Benson Margulies
It would be very much appreciated if we could at least get the mailing lists going for OpenNLP. https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-3233 --benson - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For

Re: Basing Apache releases on releases from incubating projects

2010-12-01 Thread Benson Margulies
I agree with Joe. a) I've been involved in a number of such releases. b) A podling can be evaluated for license compatibility like any external dependency -- but I don't see how a podling has any business making any releases before their IP clearance is pretty darn clear. --benson On Wed, Dec

Re: Basing Apache releases on releases from incubating projects

2010-12-01 Thread Benson Margulies
Just about the most important thing a podling does is release. We shouldn't need mechanisms to ease the use of unreleased podling code. In my opinion. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For

I think individuals need SGAs

2010-12-01 Thread Benson Margulies
I've been thinking about Leo's email of the other day, and I think that my edit to the mentor page is not right and some guidance I've delivered to podlings is not right. I'd like to float my logic here and see how it gets shot at. As Leo pointed out, the CCLA has a specific section for granting

Is there a batch of new accounts on the horizon, oh r...@?

2010-12-01 Thread Benson Margulies
Sometimes I know that the very busy root@ batches up account requests. My OpenNLP pod-people wonder when they might get their accounts. I've counselled patience. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org

Re: I think individuals need SGAs

2010-12-02 Thread Benson Margulies
is not covered by an ICLA. A grant is needed. Craig On Dec 1, 2010, at 2:15 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: I've been thinking about Leo's email of the other day, and I think that my edit to the mentor page is not right and some guidance I've delivered to podlings is not right. I'd like

Re: Setting up the Jena podling

2010-12-02 Thread Benson Margulies
I'm a bit up to my eyes in OpenNLP. Can one of you get the initial status page going? On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 3:47 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@apache.org wrote: Yay!! Thank you. I've been absolutely rammed with only phone access for the vast majority of time. Thank you for  taking the job on (I

Re: I think individuals need SGAs

2010-12-02 Thread Benson Margulies
To my pleasant surprise, Sam replied on legal-discuss that an icla is just fine -- though it's better if the person signing it actually reads it first. I plan to make some more tweaks to the web site to places that seem to say the opposite. On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 6:52 AM, Benson Margulies

Emeritus w/r/t podlings?

2010-12-04 Thread Benson Margulies
The River podling is cleaning up the list in preparation for (I hope) a graduation soon. Do they need to maintain 'emeritus' status across the graduation boundary? They'd rather not. They have a long list of long-gone people. -

Signing up for Empire

2010-12-12 Thread Benson Margulies
Empire has a mentor shortage, and River is about done with me. So I guess I'll insert myself there. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail:

[VOTE] Graduate Apache River as a TLP

2010-12-15 Thread Benson Margulies
conventional cross-post, or that the incubator PMC wants to see the draft board resolution. If so, just let me know, and I'll make the necessary repairs. Otherwise, I invite your votes. --benson margulies - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general

Re: [VOTE] Graduate Apache River as a TLP

2010-12-15 Thread Benson Margulies
) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: Hi Benson, Not sure that it's a strict rule, but seeing the board resolution is what I'd like to see as an IPMC member if I'm VOTE'ing on something. Cheers, Chris On Dec 15, 2010, at 1:52 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: Hello Incubator PMC, The River

River passes?

2010-12-21 Thread Benson Margulies
It seems like we've run out of voters for River, and all of them are +1. How does this get formalized? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail:

Re: [VOTE] Graduate Apache River as a TLP

2010-12-21 Thread Benson Margulies
Looks like the answer is 9 +1 votes and nothing else. On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: +1 to graduation and congrats! Minor typo below... On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 11:24 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: ...maintenance

Re: River passes?

2010-12-21 Thread Benson Margulies
, 2010, at 9:13 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: It seems like we've run out of voters for River, and all of them are +1. How does this get formalized? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org

[VOTE] [RESULT] Graduate River as a TLP (Graduation Approval Vote)

2010-12-22 Thread Benson Margulies
Eight binding +1 votes, no 0 or -1 vote, and one decorative non-binding, assuming that http://incubator.apache.org/whoweare.html is up to date. BInding +1: Benson Margulies (Mentor) Chris Mattmann Mohammed Nour El-Din Bertrand Delacretaz Jukka Zitting (Mentor) Niclas Hedhman (Mentor) Alan D

Re: [VOTE] [RESULT] Graduate River as a TLP (Graduation Approval Vote)

2010-12-22 Thread Benson Margulies
Did I misread the web page or is it out of date? On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote: On Dec 22, 2010, at 4:37 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: Eight binding +1 votes, no 0 or -1 vote, and one decorative non-binding, assuming that http

Re: ManifoldCF - jars should not be stored in SVN

2011-01-09 Thread Benson Margulies
I'm sure that it isn't a policy. It's a good practice avoiding Subversion bloat. There are certainly Apache projects who still have a trunk-load of checked-in jars. On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 6:58 PM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote: Please point me at a URL where it says this is Apache policy.

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