Re: [Site] svn:external RAT reference still needed ?

2012-06-11 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On 06/11/12 15:17, sebb wrote: Do we still need the following external on https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk ? svn:external rat -r679965 http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/rat/main/trunk/scan/src/main Those RAT files have not been updated since 2008. There are

[RESULT][VOTE][IPMC] Graduate RAT as Apache Creadur Project

2012-03-24 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On 03/11/12 19:42, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: snip I will tally the results no earlier than noon UTC on Thursday, March 22, (Apologies - the convention is 72 hours, and that's what I had mind) 2012[4]. I count (binding) +1 Ross Gardler +1 Marvin Humphrey +1 Mark Struberg +1 Ate Douma

[VOTE][IPMC] Graduate RAT as Apache Creadur Project

2012-03-11 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
...@apache.org * Brian E Fox bri...@apache.org * David Crossley cross...@apache.org * David Blevins dblev...@apache.org * Dennis Lundberg denn...@apache.org * Gavin McDonald gmcdon...@apache.org * Jochen Wiedmann joc...@apache.org * Niall Pemberton nia...@apache.org * Robert Burrell Donkin

Re: [VOTE][IPMC] Graduate RAT as Apache Creadur Project

2012-03-11 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On 03/11/12 19:42, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: -8--- [X] +1 Recommend The Apache Creadur Proposal To The Board (below) [ ] +0 [ ] -0 [ ] -1 Do not graduate Rat podling

[RESULT][VOTE] RAT Ready To Graduate As Apache Creadur Top Level Project

2012-03-04 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
My tally of results: +1 [rat-dev] Robert Burrell Donkin Chris A.Mattmann Craig L.Russell William A. Rowe Jr. David Blevins Hugo Hirsch Sebb Gavin McDonald Stefan Bodewig David Crossley Jochen Wiedmann Matthew B. Franklin Luciano Resende Mark Struberg [general

[REVIEW] Apache Creadur Proposal

2012-03-04 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
Project: ... NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Robert Burrell Donkin be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Creadur, to serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until death, resignation

[VOTE] RAT Ready To Graduate As Apache Creadur Top Level Project

2012-02-26 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
Creadur Project: ... NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Robert Burrell Donkin be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Creadur, to serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws

[jira] [Closed] (PODLINGNAMESEARCH-4) Establish Whether Apache Creadur would be a Suitable Name

2012-01-31 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin (Closed) (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-4?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ] Robert Burrell Donkin closed PODLINGNAMESEARCH-4. - Resolution: Fixed There is little evidence that Creadur

[jira] [Closed] (PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1) Establish whether Apache Rat is a suitable name

2012-01-31 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin (Closed) (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ] Robert Burrell Donkin closed PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1. - Resolution: Fixed The consensus reached is that though

Re: [names] Public Review

2012-01-30 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 10:47 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: Please note that I didn't invent this process. I would have preferred something much simpler. I just documented

Re: [names] Public Review

2012-01-30 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 7:54 AM, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote: Jukka Zitting wrote on Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 23:47:38 +0100: Hi, On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: Please note that I didn't invent this process. I would

Re: [names] Public Review

2012-01-30 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 8:44 AM, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote: Robert Burrell Donkin wrote on Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 08:33:38 +: On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 7:54 AM, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote: Jukka Zitting wrote on Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 23:47:38 +0100: Hi

Re: [names] Public Review

2012-01-30 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote: Robert Burrell Donkin wrote on Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 08:31:50 +: Brand would be satisfied by - say - a profession trademark search [citation needed] I'm not will to cite out of context. Please read all

Re: [names] Public Review

2012-01-30 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 10:21 AM, Leo Simons m...@leosimons.com wrote: Hey Robert, Leo :-) (Great to hear from you again) Thanks for this; it was obviously a lot of work! A parting gift to the Incubator :-) Robert - To

[names] Public Review

2012-01-29 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
The new documentation describing in more detail one way to check the suitability of the proposed name is just about ready for public review (at least, once the mirrors have sync'd) The aim is to be able to replace the outdated task in the status template with a link to good documentation consist

Re: [names] Public Review

2012-01-29 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: The new documentation describing in more detail one way to check the suitability of the proposed name is just about

Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair

2012-01-27 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote: This belongs on general@ ... A call for nominations for Incubator PMC Chair was started on the private@ list.  The nomination process should be open to the Incubator community. What qualities does a good Incubator Chair

Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair

2012-01-27 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote: This belongs on general@ ... A call for nominations for Incubator PMC Chair was started on the private@ list.  The nomination process should be open to the Incubator community. Is this the time to thank Noel for all the

[VOTE] Park Kato

2012-01-16 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
Kato implements a specification. Work on this specification is currently suspended and its future is unknown. IMHO Kato was healthy and progressing towards eventual graduation before this external problem stopped work. Creating, reading and review reports for podlings in this unusual situation is

Re: [VOTE] Park Kato

2012-01-16 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
snip On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: --8- [X] +1 Park Kato [ ] +0 [ ] -0 [ ] -1 Do not park Kato

Re: Actively retiring projects

2012-01-16 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 8:54 AM, ant elder antel...@apache.org wrote: I don't know about if they could keep their name but from recent discussions elsewhere I expect they would not be able to continue using things like org.apache package names which rules out maintenance of past releases,

Re: Actively retiring projects

2012-01-16 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 15 January 2012 20:55, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: +1 Voting to terminate a project through lack

Re: Actively retiring projects

2012-01-16 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: snip Can we please stop with the alarmist statements and silly votes. This is Apache. Apache runs through VOTEs. No VOTE is silly. Robert - To

Re: Actively retiring projects

2012-01-16 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:23 AM, ant elder antel...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 16 January 2012 09:05, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: ... ActiveMQ, Cassandra, CXF, Felix, Harmony Are people seriously suggesting

Re: Actively retiring projects

2012-01-16 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 16 January 2012 09:16, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 15 January 2012 20:55, Robert Burrell Donkin

Re: Actively retiring projects

2012-01-16 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 16 January 2012 09:31, Robert Burrell Donkin snip The right way to discipline Mentors is to remove them from the IPMC. I've started a thread on private. Threatening to terminate their podlings just muddies

Re: [VOTE] Park Kato

2012-01-16 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: -1 The IPMC is currently discussing how to handle these situations. The IPMC has descended quickly in a long series of threads heavy on personal abuse and light on constructive proposals. You call this

Re: Actively retiring projects

2012-01-16 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: snip. 20 Jul 2011:  ensure that long running incubating projects actually have a plausible  plan to graduate Thanks - I see now that the pressure for Mentors to active against their best judgment of the interests of

Improved Reporting [WAS Re: [VOTE] Park Kato]

2012-01-16 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net w. snip I would like to call on everybody to snip focus on ensuring that reports submitted are timely and contain all of the relevant information. ATM the reports remind me of a poorly edited and reviewed reincarnation of

Re: Kato status (Was: Actively retiring projects)

2012-01-16 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, There seems to be some people assuming that the IPMC wants to terminate the Kato podling. Looking back I wonder if my original status review was the source of this: :-) On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Jukka

Re: Actively retiring projects

2012-01-16 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 16 January 2012 11:51, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: ... Terminating projects with active communities is the area of active dispute Can you please provide a link to a message

Re: Actively retiring projects

2012-01-16 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 16 January 2012 11:51, Robert Burrell Donkin

Re: Podling rename, vote needed?

2012-01-15 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 9:32 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 3:29 AM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: ...As discussed during the Callback proposal phase [1], the podling community wasn't too certain about the Callback name and thus

Re: Podling rename, vote needed?

2012-01-15 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 3:48 AM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On a related matter, how is the rename being handled for the various incubator data files, web-pages, mailing lists etc.? We're still working on

Parking Projects [WAS Re: -1 on this months board report (was: Small but otherwise happy podlings)]

2012-01-15 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 11:55 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Stuart Monteith stuk...@stoo.me.uk wrote: snip I'll back up what Ant said - Robert and Ant have shown heroic patience as mentors on this project. The situation will resolve itself one

Re: Droids status (Was: Actively retiring projects)

2012-01-15 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Richard Frovarp rfrov...@apache.org wrote: snip You say it isn't active enough for a TLP. My question is what constitutes active enough? Basically one that meets the criteria

Re: Parking Projects [WAS Re: -1 on this months board report (was: Small but otherwise happy podlings)]

2012-01-15 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: It is good that someone finally explained their opinion of a mentor's responsibility to the IPMC out in the open.  Let me disagree with you that mentors are not supposed to be put in the position of judging whether or

Re: Parking Projects [WAS Re: -1 on this months board report (was: Small but otherwise happy podlings)]

2012-01-15 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com To: general@incubator.apache.org Cc: Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 12:01 PM Subject: Re: Parking Projects [WAS Re: -1

Re: Parking Projects [WAS Re: -1 on this months board report (was: Small but otherwise happy podlings)]

2012-01-15 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com To: general@incubator.apache.org Cc: Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 12:11 PM Subject: Re: Parking Projects [WAS Re: -1

[jira] [Created] (PODLINGNAMESEARCH-4) Establish Whether Apache Creadur would be a Suitable Name

2012-01-15 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin (Created) (JIRA)
Issue Type: Suitable Name Search Reporter: Robert Burrell Donkin Creadur means Creature in Welsh. My grandmother was a native Welsh speaker but I have very little. As far I know, Creadur has no immoral or scandalous meanings. -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA

[jira] [Updated] (PODLINGNAMESEARCH-4) Establish Whether Apache Creadur would be a Suitable Name

2012-01-15 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin (Updated) (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-4?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ] Robert Burrell Donkin updated PODLINGNAMESEARCH-4: -- Evidence Of Open Source Adoption: Searched

[jira] [Updated] (PODLINGNAMESEARCH-4) Establish Whether Apache Creadur would be a Suitable Name

2012-01-15 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin (Updated) (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-4?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ] Robert Burrell Donkin updated PODLINGNAMESEARCH-4: -- Evidence Of Registration: Searched for creadur using

[jira] [Updated] (PODLINGNAMESEARCH-4) Establish Whether Apache Creadur would be a Suitable Name

2012-01-15 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin (Updated) (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-4?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ] Robert Burrell Donkin updated PODLINGNAMESEARCH-4: -- Evidence Of Use On World Wide Web: Searched

[jira] [Commented] (PODLINGNAMESEARCH-4) Establish Whether Apache Creadur would be a Suitable Name

2012-01-15 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin (Commented) (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-4?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=13186571#comment-13186571 ] Robert Burrell Donkin commented on PODLINGNAMESEARCH-4: --- I

Apache Creator suitability [WAS Re: [jira] [Commented] (PODLINGNAMESEARCH-4) Establish Whether Apache Creadur would be a Suitable Name]

2012-01-15 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
I don't speak welsh or german (beyond a few words), so I relied on automated translations. Please review and jump in with comments if you find any mistakes. Robert On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 7:31 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin (Commented) (JIRA) j...@apache.org wrote:    [ https://issues.apache.org

Re: Actively retiring projects

2012-01-15 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: +1 Voting to terminate a project through lack of success sends a very clear message. Being 'terminated' is a very clear and public punishment, both for Mentors and for the project. IMO termination should be used only as a

Help Wanted: Improved Podling Name Search Documentation

2012-01-15 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
The current status task related to trademarks doesn't play well with the new trademark rules, and doesn't describe in detail how to go about a search I've done a couple of searches[2] and [3], plus an early draft of a guide [1] I'd be great if people could take a look and dive in with

[jira] [Commented] (PODLINGNAMESEARCH-4) Establish Whether Apache Creadur would be a Suitable Name

2012-01-15 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin (Commented) (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-4?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=13186594#comment-13186594 ] Robert Burrell Donkin commented on PODLINGNAMESEARCH-4

Re: Q: including notice for binary release of artifacts that are brought in via Maven?

2012-01-15 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 11:23 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 11:56 PM, Jakob Homan jgho...@apache.org wrote: What are the mechanics for having two NOTICE/LICENSE files for one release? If you're using Maven and the Apache parent POM, you can put

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2012-01-08 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: snip 2008-01-06 RAT S: Looking to graduate but stuck with (self-inflicted?) bureacracy. R: Push to graduate within Q1. Rat is stalled on trademarks Robert

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-08 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: snip c) graduate them, but with some conditions. Apache already fixes inquorate (too small) TLPs (by moving to attic or rebooting). Dead TLPs are discovered by the board when no report is submitted. The problem for

Re: [VOTE] Recommend graduating Apache Bean-Validation (BVAL) as a TLP

2012-01-08 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 9:04 PM, Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de wrote: For better readability, the Resolution text is also available in our WIKI [2] Please VOTE on recommending BVAL as a TLP [+1] graduate BVAL as a TLP [+0] don't care [-1] nope, because (fill in) -1 (sorry)

Re: [VOTE] Recommend graduating Apache Bean-Validation (BVAL) as a TLP

2012-01-08 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 9:20 PM, Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de wrote: Hi Robert! Thanks for checking! Thanks for getting back so quick :-) I did update https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/site-author/projects/beanvalidation.xml a few hours ago. Based on that record,

Re: Can (Podling) Projects collect funds through certification programs?

2011-12-13 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: Further to Ians reply, I have a couple of comments inline... On 13 December 2011 10:23, seba.wag...@gmail.com seba.wag...@gmail.com wrote: How does the ASF deal with requests from companies that would like to

Re: Simplifying repository permissions

2011-12-09 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 3:22 AM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote: Hi, If no one lodges a formal objection within the next 48 hours, I'll claim lazy consensus and ask Infra to follow through with setting @committers = rw for svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/lucy. Thanks for

Re: Feedback on updated NOTICE and LICENSE files (was: [VOTE] Release Kafka 0.7.0-incubating)

2011-12-02 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Jun Rao jun...@gmail.com wrote: Does Apache has tools (like rat) to extract all the needed license? Digging out the license manually is both labour intensive and error prone. The rat community has started working on whisker[1] (and some other tools) but we

Re: Feedback on updated NOTICE and LICENSE files (was: [VOTE] Release Kafka 0.7.0-incubating)

2011-12-02 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:55 AM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 December 2011 09:33, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 3:32 AM, Jakob Homan jgho...@gmail.com wrote:   You appear to have generated your list of jars from looking at

Re: [POLL] Suitable Name Search: Drop Or Retain?

2011-12-01 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Prescott Nasser geobmx...@hotmail.com wrote: Hey Robert, its not clear to me why a suitable name search should be dropped - is that because the brand team will do this search on a projects behalf? This seems likely to me But this is a POLL. Each option has

Re: [POLL] Suitable Name Search: Drop Or Retain?

2011-12-01 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 5:32 PM, Prescott Nasser geobmx...@hotmail.com wrote: Completely agree , if there is a rule list I dont think this needs to be on it, this is more a best practice imo Best practices tend to become the rule Robert

Re: [POLL] Suitable Name Search: Drop Or Retain?

2011-11-30 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 9:10 AM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: +1 (Oops, I didn't explain very well) With a POLL, you need to pick one of the option. Robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Re: [IP CLEARANCE] Apache Geronimo 2.2 Dependency Upgrades

2011-11-29 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 11:56 PM, Kevan Miller kevan.mil...@gmail.com wrote: The Apache Geronimo project has received a contribution which updates a number of Geronimo dependencies and associated code updates. The code contributions have been attached to

[POLL] Suitable Name Search: Drop Or Retain?

2011-11-29 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
There has been concerns expressed about accumulation of rules without pruning. In that spirit, I'd like to find out whether the community feels that dropping the rule would be better than revising it into something workable. The current check [1] is outdated (for example, www.nameprotect.com) and

Re: NOTICE file must be minimal (was: [VOTE] Release Kafka 0.7.0-incubating)

2011-11-29 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Monday, November 28, 2011, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: ... It is not a requirement that the NOTICE file be minimal. Let's worry about this for the 0.7.x or 0.8.0 release It think it *is* a requirement,

Re: NOTICE file must be minimal (was: [VOTE] Release Kafka 0.7.0-incubating)

2011-11-29 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 4:52 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: Are there any consequences for downstream users if the file is incorrect? Are there any consequences for the ASF? Depends but potentially in some cases, yes. Robert

Re: NOTICE file must be minimal (was: [VOTE] Release Kafka 0.7.0-incubating)

2011-11-29 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 6:38 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: On 11/29/2011 11:30 AM, sebb wrote: On 29 November 2011 16:59, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com  wrote: On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org  wrote: I

Re: [policy] release vetoes?

2011-11-29 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 6:29 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: On 11/29/2011 9:52 AM, sebb wrote: http://httpd.apache.org/dev/release.html was just recently revised by Roy Fielding (ASF Director and founding officer) based on some nonsense back-channel complaints, and might

Re: [policy] release vetoes?

2011-11-29 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:04 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: On 11/29/2011 2:14 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: I've been wondering whether F2F meetups (bootcamps) for the incubator might be a way forward Every retreat I've attended - which translates to those

Re: Does Apache Have a 'Rule' Problem, or does the Incubator sometimes just make it look that way?

2011-11-27 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
snip On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 9:38 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: I do acknowledge that it can be really hard to get some things changed and you may need a thick skin and lots of perseverance. But lets try to demonstrate its possible - Christian tell us three things you'd like

Re: Does Apache Have a 'Rule' Problem, or does the Incubator sometimes just make it look that way?

2011-11-27 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 7:41 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: Christian, Your proposals read to me as an elaboration and extension of some of the things I wrote. I think that Joe S's reaction to me, insofar as I understand it, makes some sense. Let's see if we can find a

Re: concerns about high overhead in Apache incubator releases

2011-11-27 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 7:21 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Jun Rao jun...@gmail.com To: general@incubator.apache.org Cc: kafka-...@incubator.apache.org Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 2:13 PM Subject: concerns about high overhead in

Re: concerns about high overhead in Apache incubator releases

2011-11-27 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 8:09 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: On Nov 27, 2011, at 11:21 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote: - Original Message - From: Jun Rao jun...@gmail.com To: general@incubator.apache.org Cc: kafka-...@incubator.apache.org Sent: Sunday,

Re: concerns about high overhead in Apache incubator releases

2011-11-27 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Jun Rao jun...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Apache members, Over the past 2 months, the Kafka Apache incubator project has been trying to release its very first version in Apache. After 7 RCs, we are still not done. Part of this is because most of us are new to the

Re: concerns about high overhead in Apache incubator releases

2011-11-27 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 9:05 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com snip Any legal issue serious enough to VETO a release would require code access to be blocked and all discussions taken private. Anything short of this isn't

Re: Rebooting the Incubator? (was: Does Apache Have a 'Rule' Problem...)

2011-11-27 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 9:25 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 8:41 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: ...Let's see if we can find a small group of members of the IPMC who are, in fact, willing to take seriously the task of

Re: Does Apache Have a 'Rule' Problem, or does the Incubator sometimes just make it look that way?

2011-11-26 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Thursday, November 24, 2011, Benson Margulies wrote: ...Someone poses a question about NOTICE files, or IP, or release

Re: Does Apache Have a 'Rule' Problem, or does the Incubator sometimes just make it look that way?

2011-11-26 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: +1 And while we are at it, reduce Roles and Rules to a minimum. Pruning is always useful but when the Incubator ran

Re: should podlings have informal chairs?

2011-11-22 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 3:05 AM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 8:03 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: ... We should be reporting to the board about OUR work, not the

[jira] [Updated] (PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1) Establish whether Apache Rat is a suitable name

2011-11-22 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin (Updated) (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ] Robert Burrell Donkin updated PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1: -- Evidence Of Use On World Wide Web: Searched for rat

Re: should podlings have informal chairs?

2011-11-22 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: snip But I think you mentioned something important, the fuzzy benchmarks. There are some we can make more critical, like: sign copyright stuff within 3 months or leave. Something like that. Legal stuff isn't

[Podling Suitable Name Search] Feedback Please

2011-11-22 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
I've setup a JIRA project [1] and worked through[2] an outline process[3] for rat. I plan to head over to the trademarks team and get feedback + interpretation sometime soon. So now would be a good opportunity to jump in with improvements (documentation and process) and objections. Please feel

Re: should podlings have informal chairs?

2011-11-22 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: soft time limits (sign off copyright within 3 months or expect IPMC scrutiny) would probably be useful, I think. +1 I think

[jira] [Updated] (PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1) Establish whether Apache Rat is a suitable name

2011-11-22 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin (Updated) (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ] Robert Burrell Donkin updated PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1: -- Description: The Rat podling brought together aRat

Re: should podlings have informal chairs?

2011-11-21 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Brett Porter br...@apache.org wrote: Hi, Some time back we moved to having 3 mentors, which had the positive of more hands and enough binding votes, but the downside of no single person on the hook for a podling's reporting and progress towards graduation.

Re: mixed line-endings with generated data

2011-11-19 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 4:27 AM, David Crossley cross...@apache.org wrote: sebb wrote: Even if the problem is fixed for some or all systems, I suggest we keep the target so it can be invoked directly. i.e. the target that does the work should be unconditional; it can be called via a

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2011-11-18 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 6:23 AM, Henri Yandell flame...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:41 PM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote: We are, however, recognizing that we've had growth issues of our own.  As

[jira] [Commented] (PODLINGNAMESEARCH-3) Establish whether Apache Accumulo is a suitable name

2011-11-18 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin (Commented) (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-3?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=13153097#comment-13153097 ] Robert Burrell Donkin commented on PODLINGNAMESEARCH-3: --- Hi

[jira] [Commented] (PODLINGNAMESEARCH-2) Establish whether Apache Kafka is a suitable name

2011-11-18 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin (Commented) (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-2?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=13153098#comment-13153098 ] Robert Burrell Donkin commented on PODLINGNAMESEARCH-2: --- Hi

[jira] [Updated] (PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1) Establish whether Apache Rat is a suitable name

2011-11-18 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin (Updated) (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ] Robert Burrell Donkin updated PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1: -- Evidence Of Registration: Searched for Rat on TESS

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2011-11-17 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 1:40 AM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 8:17 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din nour.moham...@gmail.com wrote: Hi...   The idea sounds good in general more specifically that should be clear and documented on the incubator site for future

Re: Suitable Names Search [WAS Re: Trademark Kill Searches...]

2011-11-17 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: snip Unless

Re: Suitable Names Search [WAS Re: Trademark Kill Searches...]

2011-11-17 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Shane Curcuru a...@shanecurcuru.org wrote: +1 to the JIRA project and the notifications coming here.  Thanks for driving this one! I've done some customisation on PODLINGNAMESEARCH[1] (Hopefully Noel will forgive me for assigning him as project lead without

[jira] [Created] (PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1) Establish whether Apache Rat is a suitable name

2011-11-17 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin (Created) (JIRA)
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[jira] [Updated] (PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1) Establish whether Apache Rat is a suitable name

2011-11-17 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin (Updated) (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ] Robert Burrell Donkin updated PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1: -- Evidence Of Open Source Adoption: ul liSearched

[jira] [Updated] (PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1) Establish whether Apache Rat is a suitable name

2011-11-17 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin (Updated) (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ] Robert Burrell Donkin updated PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1: -- Evidence Of Open Source Adoption: Searched for Rat

[jira] [Updated] (PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1) Establish whether Apache Rat is a suitable name

2011-11-17 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin (Updated) (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ] Robert Burrell Donkin updated PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1: -- Evidence Of Open Source Adoption: Searched for Rat

[jira] [Updated] (PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1) Establish whether Apache Rat is a suitable name

2011-11-17 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin (Updated) (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ] Robert Burrell Donkin updated PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1: -- Evidence Of Open Source Adoption: Searched for Rat

[jira] [Commented] (PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1) Establish whether Apache Rat is a suitable name

2011-11-17 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin (Commented) (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=13152195#comment-13152195 ] Robert Burrell Donkin commented on PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1

Re: Latest copyright sign-off status [Was: Podlings needing copyright sign-off]

2011-11-16 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 12:14 AM, Henri Yandell flame...@gmail.com wrote: snip 2009-02-09  kato I'm comfortable that this is safe enough copyright-wise. I would prefer the podling community to do the checking themselves but it's stalled until the JCR is sorted out. Robert

Re: Latest copyright sign-off status [Was: Podlings needing copyright sign-off]

2011-11-16 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 8:14 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 12:14 AM, Henri Yandell flame...@gmail.com wrote: snip 2009-02-09  kato I'm comfortable that this is safe enough copyright-wise. I would prefer the podling community to do

[PATCH] Incubator site copyright years

2011-11-15 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
The copyright years stamped onto every incubator page should probably be updated. For some reason, non-ascii characters are stomped when I run the site build so I'd be really grateful if someone could update the site.vsl (or explain how I can stop the stomping). Cheers Robert Index:

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