Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2012-01-30 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, Some further followup on this. On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: 2008-08-19 PhotArk S: Zero

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2012-01-30 Thread Daniel Shahaf
Jukka Zitting wrote on Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 17:20:41 +0100: Their next status report is due in March; looking forward to a summary then. They're free to send an out-of-cycle report in February if they want to... /reminder -

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2012-01-15 Thread Mohammad Nour El-Din
Hi... On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, What's the status of this effort? I went through all the older-than-year podlings identified by Sam for a quick (i.e. incomplete) review of the project status. See below for my summary (S) and subjective

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2012-01-12 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, Following up on projects where my recommendation was an unconditional Terminate. On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: 2008-08-19 PhotArk S: Zero recent activity. R: Terminate.

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2012-01-12 Thread Daniel Kulp
On Thursday, January 12, 2012 3:00:41 PM Jukka Zitting wrote: The status of Kato (in relation to Oracle's actions) is being evaluated. Ant is helping the community. 2008-11-19 Stonehenge S: Zero activity. R: Terminate. I contacted stonehenge-dev@, asking them to retire or come up

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2012-01-12 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Daniel Kulp dk...@apache.org wrote: On Thursday, January 12, 2012 3:00:41 PM Jukka Zitting wrote: I contacted stonehenge-dev@, asking them to retire or come up with a plan to revive the project. No mentors visible (6 listed). We already had the vote to

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2012-01-09 Thread Martijn Dashorst
Just an FYI: I have posted a status update on Etch on general@, hoping it doesn't fall on deaf ears with all the discussions going on: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201201.mbox/%3ccab63y-dsjkbkeljkhuvkbdlmsjwvfvixo0fnxexofhq1v4m...@mail.gmail.com%3e Martijn On Sun,

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2012-01-09 Thread Greg Stein
Since this thread has come back to life, I read through it and have one comment to add: On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 20:27, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: ... I can see two problems with this view to begin with. One is IP management. The more people participate in a project and the

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2012-01-08 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, What's the status of this effort? I went through all the older-than-year podlings identified by Sam for a quick (i.e. incomplete) review of the project status. See below for my summary (S) and subjective recommendation (R) for each project. Please branch any followup discussion about

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2012-01-08 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: snip 2008-01-06 RAT S: Looking to graduate but stuck with (self-inflicted?) bureacracy. R: Push to graduate within Q1. Rat is stalled on trademarks Robert

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2012-01-08 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hey Jukka, On Jan 8, 2012, at 4:46 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote: 2010-02-21 SIS S: Last activity in November (http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-sis-dev/20.mbox/browser) R: Retire unless activity picks up in Q1. As a SIS mentor I'd say this is fair, but my personal gut

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2012-01-08 Thread Sam Ruby
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 7:46 AM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I went through all the older-than-year podlings identified by Sam for a quick (i.e. incomplete) review of the project status. See below for my summary (S) and subjective recommendation (R) for each project.

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2011-11-20 Thread Sam Ruby
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: Looking at the current list of projects, we have many that exceed that number.  Far exceed that number.  In fact the median age is 416 days and the mean age is 536. Thanks to Gavin installing the necessary prerequisites

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2011-11-20 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: Looking at the current list of projects, we have many that exceed that number.  Far exceed that number.  In fact the median age is 416 days and the

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2011-11-20 Thread Mohammad Nour El-Din
On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Henri Yandell flame...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:41 PM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote: We are, however, recognizing that we've had growth issues of our own.

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2011-11-20 Thread Mohammad Nour El-Din
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.comwrote: On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: Looking at the current list of projects, we have many that exceed

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2011-11-20 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din nour.moham...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.comwrote:  http://people.apache.org/~rubys/incubator-by-age I think there are more tools like this around... i think it makes sense to

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2011-11-20 Thread Luciano Resende
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:41 PM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote: We are, however, recognizing that we've had growth issues of our own.  As David Crossley pointed out, he made mistakes last month related to the

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2011-11-20 Thread Henri Yandell
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 8:11 AM, Luciano Resende luckbr1...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe I've had been using a high bar with the podlings I mentor/participate. I'll look into graduating couple podlings after I come back from Thanks Giving : Apache PhotArk, Apache Wink. First things first - can you

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2011-11-20 Thread Brett Porter
On 16/11/2011, at 12:36 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: My personal perspective is that incubation shouldn't generally take more than a year. That doesn't mean that there won't be exceptions, and in a few rare cases, some that go well beyond that arbitrary time limit, but the point is that those

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2011-11-20 Thread Kevan Miller
On Nov 20, 2011, at 2:14 PM, Henri Yandell wrote: On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 8:11 AM, Luciano Resende luckbr1...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe I've had been using a high bar with the podlings I mentor/participate. I'll look into graduating couple podlings after I come back from Thanks Giving :

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2011-11-20 Thread ant elder
On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 9:09 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 6:23 AM, Henri Yandell flame...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:41 PM, Noel J. Bergman

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2011-11-18 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 6:23 AM, Henri Yandell flame...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:41 PM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote: We are, however, recognizing that we've had growth issues of our own.  As

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2011-11-18 Thread Donald Whytock
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: I can see two problems with this view to begin with. One is IP management. The more people participate in a project and the longer they do so, the messier it becomes to track provenance and get ICLAs from all of the

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2011-11-17 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 1:40 AM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 8:17 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din nour.moham...@gmail.com wrote: Hi...   The idea sounds good in general more specifically that should be clear and documented on the incubator site for future

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2011-11-17 Thread Nick Burch
On Wed, 16 Nov 2011, Sam Ruby wrote: Meanwhile, I will personally focus on JSPWiki. If others wish to join me, here is a a current list of projects that have been incubating more than a year: I've been meaning to try to help out with JSPWiki for a while, but I've not yet had the time. If

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2011-11-17 Thread Henri Yandell
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:41 PM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote: We are, however, recognizing that we've had growth issues of our own.  As David Crossley pointed out, he made mistakes last month related to the

Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2011-11-16 Thread Sam Ruby
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:41 PM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote: We are, however, recognizing that we've had growth issues of our own.  As David Crossley pointed out, he made mistakes last month related to the Reporting Schedule, and we continue to have issues.  The Incubator is

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2011-11-16 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:41 PM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote: Excellent plot chart.  As with most plot charts, the end result is a Rorschach test.  I'll tell you what I (personally) see in this chart: a failure

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2011-11-16 Thread Daniel Kulp
On Wednesday, November 16, 2011 9:48:02 PM Christian Grobmeier wrote: On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: Meanwhile, I will personally focus on JSPWiki. If others wish to join me, here is a a current list of projects that have been incubating more than

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2011-11-16 Thread Sam Ruby
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: Deltacloud has graduated and can be put off from your list. Rat is discussing graduation and should be moved from the list too. The master list from which I drew the data can be found here:

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2011-11-16 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:57 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: Deltacloud has graduated and can be put off from your list. Rat is discussing graduation and should be moved from the list too. The master

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2011-11-16 Thread sebb
On 16 November 2011 20:57, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: Deltacloud has graduated and can be put off from your list. Rat is discussing graduation and should be moved from the list too. The master list

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2011-11-16 Thread Benson Margulies
I have been working to get Empire-DB to graduate, and I expect to have a vote in front of general@ quite soon. On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 5:17 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 November 2011 20:57, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Christian Grobmeier

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2011-11-16 Thread David Crossley
Sam Ruby wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: We are, however, recognizing that we've had growth issues of our own.  As David Crossley pointed out, he made mistakes last month related to the Reporting Schedule, and we continue to have issues.  The Incubator is almost as big as the rest of the

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2011-11-16 Thread Mohammad Nour El-Din
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:20 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.comwrote: I have been working to get Empire-DB to graduate, and I expect to have a vote in front of general@ quite soon. Same with Bean Validation the vote on the dev list is already done and next steps will be taken soon. I

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2011-11-16 Thread Mohammad Nour El-Din
Hi... The idea sounds good in general more specifically that should be clear and documented on the incubator site for future incubating projects. But, IMHO, we should categorize projects mentioned in that list from very old to recent ones and each group of mentors get in touch with their

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2011-11-16 Thread Benson Margulies
While I agree that it's important to confront the current inventory, I think that the situation at hand is as much a matter of what goes into the incubator as what comes out. In my limited experience, size and growth are a big barrier to graduation. If a project is chugging along exhibiting good

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2011-11-16 Thread Sam Ruby
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 8:17 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din nour.moham...@gmail.com wrote: Hi...   The idea sounds good in general more specifically that should be clear and documented on the incubator site for future incubating projects. But, IMHO, we should categorize projects mentioned in that