On 9/10/2010 11:25 PM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
For reference:
* Subversion created its dev list in April 2000.
* The user list was created in July 2003. 238 messages were posted that
month.
As you can see, we waited a
On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
For reference:
* Subversion created its dev list in April 2000.
* The user list was created in July 2003. 238 messages were posted that month.
As you can see, we waited a very long time before sending users to
their own
I'm with James on this one. Many good points have been made on this,
but we do have bigger things to worry about.
On Wed, 2010-09-08 at 08:06 -0400, James Carman wrote:
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 7:39 AM, dan haywood
d...@haywood-associates.co.uk wrote:
For the moment at least the dev
The formation of your community is a BIG DEAL. Not something to
casually sweep under the rug.
Partitioning the community between users and devs makes it very
difficult to establish a large, viable, sustainable community.
If projects arrive at the Incubator with an already-built user
community,
On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 7:24 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
...It is obviously a call for each podling to make, so I'm simply
recommending that all podlings consider the impact of dividing your
community when you ask for separate dev/user lists. I believe it is
rarely appropriate
I
James Carman wrote on Thu, Sep 09, 2010 at 15:33:53 -0400:
If users are interested in the development goings-on,
then they can subscribe to the dev list.
A standard argument against this:
Having it in the same list makes it easier to pull users in to become
developers.
Some folks, like us
On 9/9/10 9:33 PM, James Carman wrote:
On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Greg Steingst...@gmail.com wrote:
The formation of your community is a BIG DEAL. Not something to
casually sweep under the rug.
Partitioning the community between users and devs makes it very
difficult to establish a
btw, regarding consistency: some projects have a us...@a.o (plural) list,
others have u...@a.o (singular). I most certainly take the wrong one whenever I
write a mail to some u list ;)
LieGrue,
strub
--- On Thu, 9/9/10, James Carman ja...@carmanconsulting.com wrote:
From: James Carman
Knowing Roy he'd probably want to see them
all renamed u...@.
- Original Message
From: Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Thu, September 9, 2010 6:31:05 PM
Subject: Re: No dev-, user- lists for small podlings (was: Re: [PROPOSAL]
Kitty
to
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 7:22 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 20:29, Matthew Sacks matt...@matthewsacks.comwrote:
...
*Mailing Lists*
kitty-dev
kitty-commits
kitty-user
Is there a large user community already? If not, then splitting the
community across
Isis mentors:
Given we're in the same situation and are still being bootstrapped,
should we follow this advice, ie start off with a combined mailing list
for -dev and -user?
Dan
On 08/09/2010 08:10, Martijn Dashorst wrote:
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 7:22 AM, Greg Steingst...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 9:16 AM, Dan Haywood dkhayw...@gmail.com wrote:
Isis mentors:
Given we're in the same situation and are still being bootstrapped, should
we follow this advice, ie start off with a combined mailing list for -dev
and -user? ...
Like Martijn and Greg I think that's a
+1
I barely see the users list used in OWB and even in MyFaces ;)
I'd say an isis-...@incubator.a.o + isis-comm...@i.a.o list would do fine for
now.
LieGrue,
strub
--- On Wed, 9/8/10, Dan Haywood dkhayw...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Dan Haywood dkhayw...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: No dev-, user-
+1 especially since incubation is about establishing a developers community
-M
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de wrote:
+1
I barely see the users list used in OWB and even in MyFaces ;)
I'd say an isis-...@incubator.a.o + isis-comm...@i.a.o list would do fine
The private, dev and commits list is all that has been asked for.
See https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-2971
so your fine.
gav...
-Original Message-
From: mwessend...@gmail.com [mailto:mwessend...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
Matthias Wessendorf
Sent: Wednesday, 8 September
My bad for possibly confusing things, then. Benson got it right when he
raised that ticket in the first place.
Dan
On 8 September 2010 10:33, Gav... ga...@16degrees.com.au wrote:
The private, dev and commits list is all that has been asked for.
See
Well, we could neglect to tell anyone about the user list until we need it.
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 3:16 AM, Dan Haywood dkhayw...@gmail.com wrote:
Isis mentors:
Given we're in the same situation and are still being bootstrapped, should
we follow this advice, ie start off with a combined
Isn't Isis a different bird though? It has been around for a long time and
is likely to actually have existing users
On Sep 8, 2010 7:04 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, we could neglect to tell anyone about the user list until we need
it.
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 3:16
One point against this is that we have had a long-standing user list,
and it is the developer list that is new and growing. People are use to
the user list already. If we are going to combine the two then I
suggest we have a -user list now and let the developers grow out of
that.
Rob
On Wed,
On 8 September 2010 12:16, James Carman ja...@carmanconsulting.com wrote:
Isn't Isis a different bird though? It has been around for a long time and
is likely to actually have existing users
It has some, but not enough to be sustainable. Hence entry into
the incubator to build both its user
On 8 September 2010 12:19, Robert Matthews rmatth...@nakedobjects.orgwrote:
One point against this is that we have had a long-standing user list, ...
... People are used to
the user list already.
We do, but it's going to change anyway when we make the apache mailing list
available.
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 7:39 AM, dan haywood
d...@haywood-associates.co.uk wrote:
For the moment at least the dev community is more active (or at least more
vocal), so their mailing list should be the main focal point. As I said in
the other email, when we have more user traffic than dev
On 8 September 2010 12:39, dan haywood d...@haywood-associates.co.uk wrote:
snip/
And another benefit of putting user traffic on the dev list is that
it'll give the devs exposure to any probs that regular users are having with
actually using the framework (ie so we can mature its
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