Jochen Wiedmann wrote:
What's the problem? I can't see anyone from preventing an Axis2/C
committer being a
Axis2/Java committer as well, if he or she is interested in it? My
expectation would be,
though, that it is a minority only, who wants it.
Jochen
It could be small community compared
On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 6:06 AM, Deepal jayasinghe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Honestly I have no idea. But some one working closely with Synapse
would give the exact Answer.
Well , thats the problem. As I mentioned earlier it gets more visibility
how can you support your argument using
derstand what you mean , yes they should not come under Axis2 ,
and in fact we should try to get Axiom as a TLP (im not sure about
Neethi).
Why not Neethi a TLP if AXIOM is so?
Hehe , no problem I really like if we can push as much as we can as TLP.
The main reason I point out that we
Deepal jayasinghe wrote:
I think this thread itself shows the complications we would have by
spiting it up. If we were to split it up does it make sense to keep
projects like Rampart, Sandesha, Transports in WS?
Yes they should come under Axis2 , because those projects are not useful
Hi,
My comments are inline
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 11:27 PM, Eran Chinthaka
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
I thought of not giving any inputs to this as once it seemed things were
getting personal. But let me try once again.
I assure you - nothing personal :)
Let me first understand
loosing its identity.
/Sanjaya
From: Manjula Peiris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: general@ws.apache.org
Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2008 10:44:26 AM
Subject: Re: Fwd: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP
On Sat, 2008-11-01 at 09:23 +0530, Samisa Abeysinghe wrote:
It looks to me
Hi,
See my comments inline.
On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Amila Suriarachchi
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
hi,
By going through all these discussions what I can think of is that going for
TLP neither make it better nor worse.
Ok why do you want to move Axiom out from Axis2 , because it has a
Deepal, what does s/ws/axis2/g achieve?
Sanjiva.
Deepal jayasinghe wrote:
I am trying to be a bit more optimistic that shaking things up may
help generate enthusiasm. Though given Paul's and other people's
response. I may be doing more harm than good. If these projects are
beyond salvage. So
A few quick comments:
1) I don't think things are as bad as some of this thread has implied.
There are always ebbs and flows of time and effort on projects, and
although there ARE a lot of open JIRAs, etc, it's not as if nothing has
been getting done - for instance, 1.4.1 wasn't very long ago
Hmm...why are u bringing up someone's employer?
thanks,
dims
On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Sanjiva Weerawarana
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd really like to hear from some of the other IBM folks working on
axis2/java too - Nick, Bill, etc. - what do you think? You guys have been
very quiet!
Yes as a contributor to Axis2/C project my main concern is also on
dropping out Axis2/C out of the picture. If we separate out these two
projects it may affect Axis2/C project, and I don't think Axis2 will
benefited from that either.
Well , I never told that we should drop Axis2/C ,
Honestly I have no idea. But some one working closely with Synapse
would give the exact Answer.
Well , thats the problem. As I mentioned earlier it gets more visibility
and improvements after going as TLP.
On one hand Synapse is different from other WS common projects since
it was
I'd really like to hear from some of the other IBM folks working on
axis2/java too - Nick, Bill, etc. - what do you think? You guys have
been very quiet! Are you guys off of this stuff now?
Well then it should not only be IBM , there are other folks from other
companies and individual working
Of course Deepal but there are bunch of folks from IBM who were very
active and who are also deeply involved with Axis2.
Sanjiva.
Deepal jayasinghe wrote:
I'd really like to hear from some of the other IBM folks working on
axis2/java too - Nick, Bill, etc. - what do you think? You guys have
Jeez, there's a conspiracy behind every statement eh?
As I just replied to Deepal, I brought it up because there were a bunch of
IBM folks who used to work on Axis2 who were active who also are
stakeholders. However, the invitation was not limited to IBM folks - my
apologies if such
Davanum Srinivas wrote:
Eran,
Clearly you did not read my previous emails. *PLEASE* read them and
then we can continue.
For example, I said 1. The proposal was to split Axis2+Anything that
Axis2 Uses+Anything that is built on Axis2 into a separate TLP.
Also, i said this before, but repeat it
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 9:21 AM, Samisa Abeysinghe
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-1. They share the same architecture. They do the same this, only the
implementation is different.
And they are supposed to work with each other, interop in other words, so
they have lot in common.
Interoperability
Jochen
Its not just about interop - its about a shared design and a shared community.
1) I believe that the Axis2/C team has worked very hard to share code,
designs and work closely with the rest of the team. I'm not sure that
the Java team has worked so closely, but I guess that is because they
Jochen Wiedmann wrote:
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 9:21 AM, Samisa Abeysinghe
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-1. They share the same architecture. They do the same this, only the
implementation is different.
And they are supposed to work with each other, interop in other words, so they
have lot in
Samisa,
You have hit the nail on the head. People are who they are. Right now
the umbrella is so vast that everyone is able to hide behind others.
There is no accountability. When there is a smaller group of active
people, There will be better accountability to each other and to the
board and to
related note - i once upon a time used to hold ws up as the best model
of working in open source. It's a tragic pity that we are now just a
shell of what we used to be. my 2 cents. YMMV.
-- dims
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 6:11 AM, Davanum Srinivas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Samisa,
You have hit
Ah the glory days when you were Veep!
Paul
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Davanum Srinivas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
related note - i once upon a time used to hold ws up as the best model
of working in open source. It's a tragic pity that we are now just a
shell of what we used to be. my 2
I'd have to agree with the view that Axis2/Java Axis2/C have quite a lot
in common. The sames concepts architecture are used by both these
projects. In effect, a person who understands the concepts architecture of
one, can easily understand the other. So, IMHO, we should not separate these
Davanum Srinivas wrote:
Samisa,
You have hit the nail on the head. People are who they are. Right now
the umbrella is so vast that everyone is able to hide behind others.
There is no accountability. When there is a smaller group of active
people, There will be better accountability to each
Deepal
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Deepal jayasinghe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
VOTE is the final thing , and I still can not understand why most the
people do not want to make Axis2 TLP.
I'm very happy to have Axis2 as a TLP including both Java and C.
Paul
Paul Fremantle
Co-Founder and
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 1:51 PM, Davanum Srinivas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Though given Paul's and other people's response.
Dims, my response was a light-hearted comment on the situation, and
made no reference to whether or not Axis2 should be a TLP. I'm sorry
if you took it in a way it wasn't
missed general@
-- Forwarded message --
From: Ajith Ranabahu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I should kick myself for not reading Axis2 mail frequently. I just
spent 20 minutes reading the complete
Hi Ajith,
+1 , Very well said.
Thank you!
Deepal
I should kick myself for not reading Axis2 mail frequently. I just
spent 20 minutes reading the complete thread and just throwing my 2
cents.
1. I am +1 (not a vote, a token of agreement) on making Axis2 a TLP.
I have supported the decision
I would also like to have Axis2 as a TLP project too. From the end user point
of view, the real container is Axis2. Other projects are parts/components,
which enhanced its capability. There is very little (or no some times) use
when you take these other components by itself without the core
...
Ajith Ranabahu wrote:
missed general@
-- Forwarded message --
From: Ajith Ranabahu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I should kick myself for not reading Axis2 mail frequently. I just
spent 20
edit.
Thanks,
Samisa...
Ajith Ranabahu wrote:
missed general@
-- Forwarded message --
From: Ajith Ranabahu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I should kick myself for not reading
31, 2008 at 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Axis2 as TLP
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I should kick myself for not reading Axis2 mail frequently. I just
spent 20 minutes reading the complete thread and just throwing my 2
cents.
1. I am +1 (not a vote, a token of agreement) on making
Eran Chinthaka wrote:
I hope I'm still not late to comment on this.
I'm also with Sanjiva on this issue. Axis2 is just not Axis2 project
alone. Axiom and others are integral parts of it. Couple of
challenges/questions from me.
1. Let's take the Glen's proposal on two projects and list down
Eran,
Clearly you did not read my previous emails. *PLEASE* read them and
then we can continue.
For example, I said 1. The proposal was to split Axis2+Anything that
Axis2 Uses+Anything that is built on Axis2 into a separate TLP.
Also, i said this before, but repeat it again, The current status
It is nice to see everyone is fighting for something good :-) ,
Well first I do not think anyone in this mailing list is so stupid to
give the PMC Chair or whatever based on the number of emails he sends to
the list. Let me tell why I think it is a good idea to make Axis2 a TLP.
First if you go
Folks,
this is *NOT* a VOTE thread. Please refrain from casting ballots
thanks,
dims
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 1:46 AM, Sanjiva Weerawarana
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm -1 because the Axis2 project is not just axis2- its a collection of
enabling pieces (axiom, neethi at least) and a bunch of up
Gee...thanks a ton for the clarficiation.
-- dims
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 7:18 AM, Sanjiva Weerawarana
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jeez I wasn't casting a vote - I expressed my opinion and then made it clear
using the Apache terminology for expressing positions. Lighten up dude.
Sanjiva.
Dear Team,
For a few years now, there is a growing consensus at the board level
that a small focused PMC that directly reports to the board is better
than a huge umbrella PMCs. two umbrella PMC's have already made
transitions including XML and Jakarta.
One reason is that they have found that a
One reason is that they have found that a small focused PMC/committer
set takes better care of the code, web site, releases, legal issues
and basic oversight of day to day workings of a PMC better than a huge
umbrella PMC. For example, personally i think Synapse has thrived
after it left the
Deepal jayasinghe wrote:
Personally, I'd really like to get all of us committed, willing and
able to contribute in a much more coordinated fashion then we are
today. We don't hang out on IRC, no weekly chats, not much forward
looking discussions, not much enthusiasm or cooperation anymore from
Deepal,
yep, not taking care of them is what i meant. Yep, i totally
understand day-to-day work.
thanks,
dims
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 12:47 PM, Deepal jayasinghe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One reason is that they have found that a small focused PMC/committer
set takes better care of the code,
Hi dims, all:
Davanum Srinivas wrote:
For a few years now, there is a growing consensus at the board level
that a small focused PMC that directly reports to the board is better
than a huge umbrella PMCs. two umbrella PMC's have already made
transitions including XML and Jakarta.
+1. As PMC
Hi Sanjiva:
Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:
Also the other reason IMO is that axis2 is mostly done .. I have no
objection at all to someone starting an axis3 or doing a lot of changes
to axis2, but I personally don't have major problems that I see need to
be fixed in axis2. Yes there are tons of
Kurt T Stam wrote:
jUDDI has 3 active developers working on implementing the UDDIv3 spec
(http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/webservices/juddi/branches/v3_trunk/)
. Please don't talk about moth-balling us!
Just checking to see if you were paying attention. :)
No way, Kurt - I hope to be using your
How does becoming a TLP change the status quo for getting things done?
Sanjiva.
Davanum Srinivas wrote:
No one is asking that everyone needs to get excited at the proposal.
If people are interested, let it move forward. If no one is
interested, it will just drop dead. If people take this
If we can find people to man the PMC's and act as chair, sure, let's
get more projects as TLP's.
-- dims
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Sanjiva Weerawarana
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Glen, so if you agree that its a TLP with Axis2 + up stream and downstream
projects then why not push the other
Anything that is usable/shipped with Axis2 or depends on Axis2 IMHO.
-- dims
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 4:32 PM, Sanjiva Weerawarana
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So Glen, if we're talking about a new TLP what are the proposed components
under it? What will remain in the ws TLP because they don't have
Hey dims, all:
Davanum Srinivas wrote:
There was a WS PMC thread which has not yet shown up here
So, WDYT? Could we spin off Axis2 and related projects into a separate
TLP? Pros / Cons / Thoughts welcome.
I'm +1 to the idea. Here's what I sent to the PMC after this idea came
up as a
Folks,
There was a WS PMC thread which has not yet shown up here
So, WDYT? Could we spin off Axis2 and related projects into a separate
TLP? Pros / Cons / Thoughts welcome.
thanks,
dims
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Davanum Srinivas :: http://davanum.wordpress.com
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