[gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: dev-lang/ruby-cvs

2007-04-14 Thread Hans de Graaff
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:49:05 -0400, Doug Goldstein wrote: Hans de Graaff wrote: dev-lang/ruby-cvs builds the latest Ruby 1.9.x version from CVS. Except... upstream has moved to SVN, so this ebuild no longer works. It's now masked and will be removed in 30 days. Is there any point in

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 1 (Was: Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April)

2007-04-14 Thread Luca Barbato
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: What, you're saying they all ship with test suites that exist but don't work? anything that takes more than 10m to test is broken from an user point of view: you want the application, not having it tested. I'd rather keep it in features since tests are _optional_, not

[gentoo-dev] Re: [GLEP] RFC - Keywording scheme

2007-04-14 Thread Steve Long
Fabian Groffen wrote: This GLEP has been laying around for some long time now in my gleps dir. I nearly forgot about it. Anyway, feedback is appreciated. Since it is a keywording scheme that is compatible with the scheme that is currently in use and fulfils all the requirements, it sounds

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: April Council meeting summary

2007-04-14 Thread Steve Long
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: It's not such a big deal in practise is it? Yes, it is. It's a change in workflow, and it at least doubles the amount of work for each commit. do what? if it's so tricky write a script.. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 1 (Was: Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April)

2007-04-14 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Saturday 14 April 2007 18:14:48 Luca Barbato wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: What, you're saying they all ship with test suites that exist but don't work? anything that takes more than 10m to test is broken from an user point of view: you want the application, Indeed, but speaking as a

[gentoo-dev] Re: April Council meeting summary

2007-04-14 Thread Steve Long
Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh wrote: I'd say Ciaran has to have write access to any such repository, as one of the main contributors. Face it, he's never going to get write access to gentoo infra. The best gentoo can give him is access via spb, who has made it clear he'll simply be pulling in

[gentoo-dev] OT: was 2007.0 release

2007-04-14 Thread Rumen Yotov
Hi, Tempted by this recent thread, wanna just voice my thoughts. Can't there be some way (GWN, Bug, some general-purpose IRC channel etc.) on which users could at least be informed that work is under way to release 2007.0, with some kind of feedback. Releng could just choose to ignore it at all,

[gentoo-dev] Deps (was Re: Empty DEPEND strings in virtuals)

2007-04-14 Thread Steve Long
Petteri Räty wrote: We should link this info to the devmanual. Yeah that was v. instructive. Since there's only 3 ebuilds left with the old syntax, the obvious question is: is there anything else holding up impl of the GLEP? Also, would the preferred syntax be open to usage in eg recommended

[gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: dev-lang/ruby-cvs

2007-04-14 Thread Hans de Graaff
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:34:00 -0700, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: Yes ... upstream moved to SVN right around the first of the year. If you want, I'll file something in bugzilla to get the details for Ruby 1.9 into Portage as an enhancement. Most of my Rubyist friends go right to the source

[gentoo-dev] Re: baselayout-2 and volumes (raid, lvm, crypt, etc)

2007-04-14 Thread Steve Long
Doug Goldstein wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Tenorman_Must_Die I say we never piss Chris off again... ever... Thank YOU! That was hilarious! But seriously.. why don't you guys switch off reply-to munging, already?! http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_120444.xml -- [EMAIL

[gentoo-dev] Re: OT: was 2007.0 release

2007-04-14 Thread Stefan Schweizer
Rumen Yotov wrote: Somebody might want to know (for a new install) for how long (eventually) he/she will have to wait. You do not have to wait for the gentoo release engineering team. You will get an up to date install after running emerge -uvaD system in your fresh system. If the livecd is

Re: [gentoo-dev] Deps (was Re: Empty DEPEND strings in virtuals)

2007-04-14 Thread Zac Medico
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Steve Long wrote: Petteri Räty wrote: We should link this info to the devmanual. Yeah that was v. instructive. Since there's only 3 ebuilds left with the old syntax, the obvious question is: is there anything else holding up impl of the GLEP?

[gentoo-dev] FUD post 3,023,972 from ciaranm spills into ad-hominem. Never!

2007-04-14 Thread Steve Long
There is no company behind dotProject. Instead you are dealing with a dedicated but 100% volunteer group who give their time and energy freely and frequently above and beyond the call of duty. The development team behind, under, in front of and frequently buried by dotProject are a great bunch

Re: [gentoo-dev] FUD post 3,023,972 from ciaranm spills into ad-hominem. Never!

2007-04-14 Thread Charlie Shepherd
On 14/04/07, Steve Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Can I ask why you choose to enlighten the mailing list with your views on this matter? I was given to understand it was a *development* mailing list, not a talk trash about someone 'cuz they banned me from their channel mailing list. --

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [GLEP] RFC - Keywording scheme

2007-04-14 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 07:32:12AM +0100, Steve Long wrote: Fabian Groffen wrote: This GLEP has been laying around for some long time now in my gleps dir. I nearly forgot about it. Anyway, feedback is appreciated. list-admin-hat Grobian: can you please resend your message to the list? This

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [GLEP] RFC - Keywording scheme

2007-04-14 Thread Fabian Groffen
On 14-04-2007 01:19:41 -0700, Robin H. Johnson wrote: On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 07:32:12AM +0100, Steve Long wrote: Fabian Groffen wrote: This GLEP has been laying around for some long time now in my gleps dir. I nearly forgot about it. Anyway, feedback is appreciated. list-admin-hat

[gentoo-dev] Re: EAPI 1 (Was: Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April)

2007-04-14 Thread Duncan
Luca Barbato [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Sat, 14 Apr 2007 08:14:48 +0200: Adding more build time, requirements (yes, there are some tests that needs more ram and cpu to complete than the actual build phase) w/out ways to opt out is just hindering our users.

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 1 (Was: Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April)

2007-04-14 Thread Alec Warner
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: * src_test always called except if RESTRICT=test I don't think this would fit into EAPI, to me it's an implementation detail of the package manager, or why should the ebuild care about it? It's the best way of ensuring that ebuilds have a working src_test. Arch teams

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 1 (Was: Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April)

2007-04-14 Thread Matthias Langer
not having it tested. That all depends. If having it tested means that it _will_ work, I'd be infavour of that. Well, the problem is, that a working test suite does not guarantee a working program, as well as a failing test suite doesn't necessarily mean that the program is broken. This

[gentoo-dev] Re: EAPI 1 (Was: Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April)

2007-04-14 Thread Duncan
Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Fri, 13 Apr 2007 23:01:40 -0400: they realize they have no way at all of disabling the mandatory test ... RESTRICT is an ebuild variable, not a package manager variable this is why implementing it via the profile

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 1 (Was: Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April)

2007-04-14 Thread Jakub Moc
Alec Warner napsal(a): Any arch team that wants tests by default on their arch can just add test to FEATURES in their arch profiles; magically the users running that arch will get the tests run (with USE=test set) by default. Users who don't want tests can always turn them off in make.conf.

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 1 (Was: Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April)

2007-04-14 Thread Jan Kundrát
Jakub Moc wrote: Alec Warner napsal(a): Any arch team that wants tests by default on their arch can just add test to FEATURES in their arch profiles; magically the users running that arch will get the tests run (with USE=test set) by default. Users who don't want tests can always turn them

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 1 (Was: Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April)

2007-04-14 Thread Jakub Moc
Jan Kundrát napsal(a): Jakub Moc wrote: Even such change would piss off users. Having *no* way to turn off tests, uuuhhh please retire me *before* someone implements this, I'm not going to waste my time on totally pointless bugs filed by furious users. FEATURES=-test? ... wouldn't do

[gentoo-dev] New developer: Thomas Scharl (think4urs11)

2007-04-14 Thread Christian Heim
It's my pleasure to introduce to you Thomas Scharl (also known as think4urs11), our latest addition joining the forum moderators. Thomas is joining us from Nürnberg (or Nuremberg), Germany, where he's currently working for an unnamed Networking/Security company. Please welcome Thomas as a

[gentoo-dev] Re: EAPI 1 (Was: Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April)

2007-04-14 Thread Steve Long
Matthias Langer wrote: Hmm, as an arch tester, i completely agree that packages where src_test fails are an annoyance. However, I would not suggest to activate src_test by default, as for normal users, it just introduces another source of potential defects, without that much benefits. Instead,

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer: Thomas Scharl (think4urs11)

2007-04-14 Thread Matthias Schwarzott
On Samstag, 14. April 2007, Christian Heim wrote: It's my pleasure to introduce to you Thomas Scharl (also known as think4urs11), our latest addition joining the forum moderators. Thomas is joining us from Nürnberg (or Nuremberg), Germany, where he's currently working for an unnamed

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [GLEP] RFC - Keywording scheme

2007-04-14 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 14 April 2007, Fabian Groffen wrote: On 14-04-2007 01:19:41 -0700, Robin H. Johnson wrote: On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 07:32:12AM +0100, Steve Long wrote: Fabian Groffen wrote: This GLEP has been laying around for some long time now in my gleps dir. I nearly forgot about it.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: EAPI 1 (Was: Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April)

2007-04-14 Thread Petteri Räty
Steve Long kirjoitti: That makes a lot of sense. How about exending it a tiny bit and asking for it to be policy for all ebuilds EAPI=1 not to be allowed into stable without RESTRICT=test, or a functional test suite on the arch in question? The last bit would be automagically checked by the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [GLEP] RFC - Keywording scheme

2007-04-14 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 07:47:12AM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: Because I don't have it either, luckily there is GMane: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/48017 ive found hooking up my NNTP client to GMane and downloading missed e-mails from there works quite well if only i

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer: Thomas Scharl (think4urs11)

2007-04-14 Thread Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
Hi. Christian Heim wrote: It's my pleasure to introduce to you Thomas Scharl (also known as think4urs11), our latest addition joining the forum moderators. Thomas is joining us from Nürnberg (or Nuremberg), Germany, where he's currently working for an unnamed Networking/Security

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer: Thomas Scharl (think4urs11)

2007-04-14 Thread Wernfried Haas
On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 01:01:38PM +, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: Congrats on getting the official Gentoo colors! That means you have no more excuse to slacking ;) Unless of course you become forums admin, which is the best slacker job ever. Having that said i'm going back to the pool

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer: Thomas Scharl (think4urs11)

2007-04-14 Thread Ioannis Aslanidis
About time! :) Wernfried Haas wrote: On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 01:01:38PM +, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: Congrats on getting the official Gentoo colors! That means you have no more excuse to slacking ;) Unless of course you become forums admin, which is the best slacker job ever.

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 1 (Was: Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April)

2007-04-14 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 02:44:31 -0700 Alec Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any arch team that wants tests by default on their arch can just add test to FEATURES in their arch profiles; magically the users running that arch will get the tests run (with USE=test set) by default. Users who don't

Re: [gentoo-dev] FUD post 3,023,972 from ciaranm spills into ad-hominem. Never!

2007-04-14 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 08:43:39 +0100 Steve Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no company behind dotProject. What on earth are you on about? Please stop posting uninformed nonsense to the list. The noise is getting in the way of sensible discussion. -- Ciaran McCreesh signature.asc

[gentoo-dev] New Developer: Tobias Heinlein (keytoaster)

2007-04-14 Thread Christian Heim
It's my pleasure to introduce to you Tobias Heinlein (also known as keytoaster on IRC), our latest addition joining the docs people as follow-up lead for the german documetation. He's already been an arch tester for the amd64 herd for quite some time. Tobias is joining us from Hamm, Germany

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: EAPI 1 (Was: Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April)

2007-04-14 Thread Matthias Langer
On Sat, 2007-04-14 at 14:58 +0300, Petteri Räty wrote: Steve Long kirjoitti: That makes a lot of sense. How about exending it a tiny bit and asking for it to be policy for all ebuilds EAPI=1 not to be allowed into stable without RESTRICT=test, or a functional test suite on the arch in

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 1 (Was: Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April)

2007-04-14 Thread Alec Warner
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 02:44:31 -0700 Alec Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any arch team that wants tests by default on their arch can just add test to FEATURES in their arch profiles; magically the users running that arch will get the tests run (with USE=test set) by

Re: [gentoo-dev] New Developer: Tobias Heinlein (keytoaster)

2007-04-14 Thread Peter Weller
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 18:14:18 +0200 Christian Heim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's my pleasure to introduce to you Tobias Heinlein (also known as keytoaster on IRC), our latest addition joining the docs people as follow-up lead for the german documetation. He's already been an arch tester for

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 1 (Was: Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April)

2007-04-14 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 12:17:24 -0700 Alec Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The whole argument against doing it the other way is that running tests, outside of RESTRICT, has absolutly nothing to do with any kind of api; which is why I'm against it. At that point arch teams would essentially be

[gentoo-dev] Change in mentoring requirements

2007-04-14 Thread Petteri Räty
p Before you can mentor anyone, you must have been with Gentoo for at least six -months or must be a project lead. +months. Previously being a project lead was enough too but with GLEP 39 anyone +can create new projects. /p /body Regards, Petteri -- Gentoo/Recruiters lead Gentoo/Java lead

[gentoo-dev] Re: New Developer: Tobias Heinlein (keytoaster)

2007-04-14 Thread Stefan Schweizer
Christian Heim wrote: Tobias is joining us from Hamm, Germany where he's currently finishing the junior high school. Wow he must be really young then. But I cannot find the adequate german translation for junior high school. What is it? Welcome to the devs! -Stefan -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [gentoo-dev] Change in mentoring requirements

2007-04-14 Thread Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
Hi. Petteri Räty wrote: p Before you can mentor anyone, you must have been with Gentoo for at least six -months or must be a project lead. +months. Previously being a project lead was enough too but with GLEP 39 anyone +can create new projects. /p /body Regards, Petteri --

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New Developer: Tobias Heinlein (keytoaster)

2007-04-14 Thread Tobias Heinlein
Stefan Schweizer wrote: Wow he must be really young then. Yup, I'm 16, phreak was shocked as well. But I cannot find the adequate german translation for junior high school. What is it? That should be Realschule in German. ;) Welcome to the devs! -Stefan Thanks. Best regards, --

Re: [gentoo-dev] app-misc/klive removal

2007-04-14 Thread Charlie Shepherd
On 07/04/07, Daniel Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: klive isn't that useful and I don't have enough time to maintain it. There are several bugs kicking about. If nobody takes over, I'll package.mask it on April 14th and remove it on April 28th. I've fixed both bugs and added myself explicitly

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New Developer: Tobias Heinlein (keytoaster)

2007-04-14 Thread Charlie Shepherd
On 15/04/07, Tobias Heinlein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stefan Schweizer wrote: Yup, I'm 16, phreak was shocked as well. Welcome to the young ones :) -- -Charlie -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list

[gentoo-dev] Last rites: app-vim/doxygen-syntax

2007-04-14 Thread Mike Kelly
A modified version of app-vim/doxygen-syntax-1.15 is already included in vim7, no point in keeping this around. See Bug #174637. Scheduled for removal in 30 days. -- Mike Kelly signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Change in mentoring requirements

2007-04-14 Thread Stephen Bennett
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 22:46:10 + Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have different types of developers amongst us, so how do we count the 6 months period? Let me explain more fully. At this point, I could mentor someone into becoming a new moderator in the forums, but I

[gentoo-dev] Last rite media-gfx/qiv

2007-04-14 Thread Samuli Suominen
# Samuli Suominen [EMAIL PROTECTED] (15 Apr 2007) # Using deprecated gdk functions from imlib. # Masked for removal in 30 days. See bug #166009. # Use gqview or mirage instead. media-gfx/qiv -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: EAPI 1 (Was: Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April)

2007-04-14 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 14 April 2007, Matthias Langer wrote: bug 165085 i'd do some research into the glibc situation before you go pointing at it -mike pgpe73v4Qiw7K.pgp Description: PGP signature