On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:14:47 -0600
RB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > non-system packages, the only thing stopping people from using
> > EAPI 1 where useful is ludditism.
>
> While most of us appreciate your desire to move forward, ad-hominem
> attacks (however subtle) really only serve to damage
> non-system packages, the only thing stopping people from using EAPI 1 where
> useful is ludditism.
While most of us appreciate your desire to move forward, ad-hominem
attacks (however subtle) really only serve to damage your point.
That said, this is the typical developer-wants-shiny-object,
On Friday 14 March 2008 03:29:26 Petteri Räty wrote:
> solar reported that he had ebuild submissions blindly using EAPI=1 so we
> hopefully made the text better reflect that it should not be used unless
> absolutely needed.
'Absolutely' is far too strong a word. A better wording would be 'unless
solar reported that he had ebuild submissions blindly using EAPI=1 so we
hopefully made the text better reflect that it should not be used unless
absolutely needed.
Regards,
Petteri
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Index: skel.ebuild
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It looks like way too many people don't understand EAPI or PMS. In the
interests of reducing the amount of noise these people make whenever
anyone mentions either, I give you the following guide.
EAPI and PMS for People Who Haven't Been Paying Attention
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 09:55:29 -0700
Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Do people really think that a pre-compiled stage tarball is source?
> How about a pre-compiled LiveCD? Anyone?
No, but they do think that it's not really a distribution, since you
don't use the binaries with changing
On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:01:09 -0700
"Alec Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Did we ever set RDEPEND=DEPEND or vice versa automatically? Maybe it
> never went into EAPI=0. In either case I'm sure most maintainers
> would appreciate feedback in this area.
PMS is supposed to say something like "R
Joshua,
I know that draft quite well, I used as reference for writing Entropy,
our binary package manager which only uses {R,P}DEPEND and not DEPEND.
So here comes the issue, when *DEPEND are not declared properly
Entropy pulls in unneeded packaged.
What you are saying is something I am already awa
[EMAIL PROTECTED] kirjoitti:
Well I'm a newcomer to Gentoo and never heard of Sabayon (great project
btw). Knowing no one here or there, nor any history:
Never heard of and you say it's a great project?
This conversation reminds me of Human Resources. They always have
'procedures' and 'car
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 09:25:17 -0700
Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 13:53 +0100, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
> > What I need is _basic_ respect on #gentoo-dev
>
> I guess you don't understand that respect has to be earned.
Mmm, funny, when I said that, certain people
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Fabio Erculiani wrote:
| Hi Joshua,
| I never had issues with my emails. So I don't really know what to
| answer you regarding to your issues :)
| SPLIT: Although I think it can be a suboptimal thing for us, I can
| understand your policy. Let me add
On 3/14/08, Pierre-Yves Rofes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> You seem to know him pretty well it seems...
> Come on lxnay, who are you trying to fool here? You think that just by
> opening an anonymous mail account, we would be dumb enough to not
> recognize you? You could at least have been a
Hi Joshua,
I never had issues with my emails. So I don't really know what to
answer you regarding to your issues :)
SPLIT: Although I think it can be a suboptimal thing for us, I can
understand your policy. Let me add that, to me, the biggest issue is
about (R)DEPEND. Splitting packages and maintai
This conversation reminds me of Human Resources. They always have
'procedures' and 'career tracks.' Gentoo's chitchat about earning
gold
stars and brownie points is giving me HR sickness. You're asking
Michael Jordan to prove himself on the high school team.
You must be American.
I am Pre
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :
> Well I'm a newcomer to Gentoo and never heard of Sabayon (great project
> btw). [...]
>
> When someone as expert as this [...]
> He is worth ten bugzillas. [...]
> He knows what he is doing and filing bugzillas is a
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Fabio Erculiani wrote:
| Hi all,
|
| Cheers
interestingly enough ixnay...I've tried contacting you about working
together with Gentoo and on things related to eapi as sabayon is one of
the more popular distributions that has somewhat of a basis on
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Then the chief architect of
> Sabayon is scotched over bugzilla output?
Can I declare myself Chief Architect of unieject? Does that give me
right to take and fix others' software without passing through the usual
ways?
Counting titles seems more an HR thing to me than
Well I'm a newcomer to Gentoo and never heard of Sabayon (great project
btw). Knowing no one here or there, nor any history:
This conversation reminds me of Human Resources. They always have
'procedures' and 'career tracks.' Gentoo's chitchat about earning gold
stars and brownie points is givin
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 8:44 PM, Natanael Copa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Regarding the RDPEND's, there is nothing in the framework protecting the
> RDEPENDS from be wrong. If its wrong, package still compiles and
> installs and (almost) everyone is happy.
Just because it compiles and install
Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote:
We can all agree that Gentoo's binary package support leaves a lot of room for
improvement. But to fix that you need to come up with real solutions and be
prepared to discuss them here and through our bugzilla. And accept the fact
that it will take time... On top of th
Chris Gianelloni wrote:
On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 14:34 +0100, Natanael Copa wrote:
On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 00:35 +0100, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
I offer my help to fix DEPEND/RDEPEND split issues which is causing me
a lot of headaches (along with localizations).
For reference, please have a l
Rémi Cardona wrote:
Natanael Copa a écrit :
But somethimes you just need to accept we don't live in a perfect world.
I understood early that nobody cares that much about binpkgs anyway and
moved on.
I'd say you're mistaken. A lot of people care about binpkg. It's not
because a majority of dev
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 05:43:35PM +0100, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
> What I just need is respect.
> I might found around 150-200 bugs on (R)DEPEND. Take 200 on about 6500
> packages we have in our repository, if I take 5 minutes each, I'd end
> up to take 16 hours.
As the others said, you can either
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 01:53:34PM +0100, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
> Hi Robin,
> first of all.
> What I need is _basic_ respect on #gentoo-dev
> You here seem all polite, but there you like playing me.
> This is not a good start.
Excuse me? I have never spoken to you on the #gentoo-dev IRC channel,
a
René 'Necoro' Neumann schrieb:
I'm not a gentoo-dev - and I did not read the whole thread, because it
was too political for me (do I really have to read all these IRC quotes?).
+1, this stuff belongs to the -project mailinglist
But I just had an idea for this topic (don't know if anyone had t
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I'm not a gentoo-dev - and I did not read the whole thread, because it
was too political for me (do I really have to read all these IRC quotes?).
But I just had an idea for this topic (don't know if anyone had this
already - or if it is not applicabl
On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 14:48 -0400, Caleb Tennis wrote:
> > As much as I hate to say it, your example was rather bunk, because
> > openssl changed SONAME during that time. Keeping the package
>
> You're right here. After review, the problem was the difference between
> 0.9.8e and
> 0.9.8g, the l
>> I use this example because it's actually hit me before, but it extends to
>> lots of
>> other scenarios. The obvious fix is to either use --deep, or just make sure
>> you
>> need machine 2 up to date with machine 1, though that's difficult to do when
>> you're
>> talking about machine 301 and
Fabio Erculiani a écrit :
I might found around 150-200 bugs on (R)DEPEND. Take 200 on about 6500
packages we have in our repository, if I take 5 minutes each, I'd end
up to take 16 hours.
Then open a reduced number of bugs, say one per portage category that
has over 20 bugs and group the rest
On 3/13/08, Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks for reminding me once again how you like to interact with the
> people that you're trying to "help" out. You wonder why people respond
> negatively to your demands and this is how you react to people.
>
>
> --
>
> Chris Gianelloni
On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 17:48 +0100, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
> On 3/13/08, Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'm a distro builder, too, and I haven't been hitting any of these
> > problems. Would you care to point out the actual problems, or will the
> > "close to useless" comment be
On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 17:22 +0100, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
> [gio mar 13 2008] [02:54:56] agaffney: I don't think it's
> worth it wasting my time insulting you, I've something better to do
> [gio mar 13 2008] [02:55:07]lxnay: oh, burn!
> [gio mar 13 2008] [02:55:11] * agaffney cries in
Fabio Erculiani wrote:
^^ This is a really stupid sentence. It seems some of you don't even
realize how many users we brought to Gentoo, and this is really sad.
I'm not sure I understand how exactly you bring people to Gentoo. You
bring people to your distribution which is a binary rebuilt of
On 3/13/08, Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm a distro builder, too, and I haven't been hitting any of these
> problems. Would you care to point out the actual problems, or will the
> "close to useless" comment be our only indication of the perceived
> problems?
>
>
> --
> Chr
On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 10:15 -0400, Caleb Tennis wrote:
> > +1 on that and if people who use binary pkgs don't tell us what breaks,
> > we won't know.
>
> The binpkg format needs some way to store the actual versions of the
> dependencies as
> they were on the machine the package was compiled on.
On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 14:34 +0100, Natanael Copa wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 00:35 +0100, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
>
> > I offer my help to fix DEPEND/RDEPEND split issues which is causing me
> > a lot of headaches (along with localizations).
> > For reference, please have a look here:
> > http:
On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 13:53 +0100, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
> What I need is _basic_ respect on #gentoo-dev
I guess you don't understand that respect has to be earned. There's a
major difference between courtesy and respect. You should be given
courtesy. You have to earn respect. Demanding respe
What I just need is respect.
I might found around 150-200 bugs on (R)DEPEND. Take 200 on about 6500
packages we have in our repository, if I take 5 minutes each, I'd end
up to take 16 hours. To build my previous list, I took about 30
minutes, it's not that big, but even that small.
So, what I just
[gio mar 13 2008] [02:50:43] if you want access to the
tree, find a mentor and go through the recruitment process
[gio mar 13 2008] [02:50:45]lxnay: Other people have to
live with the changes. no-one can maintain the whole tree single
handed.
[gio mar 13 2008] [02:50:51] Halcy0n: becau
Natanael Copa a écrit :
But somethimes you just need to accept we don't live in a perfect world.
I understood early that nobody cares that much about binpkgs anyway and
moved on.
I'd say you're mistaken. A lot of people care about binpkg. It's not
because a majority of devs don't _use_ them th
Since you wanted to bring this onto this mailing list, I will address
all of the points you are making here, though I don't believe this to be
the correct place.
To preface the whole thing, I was really trying to understand your
viewpoint and help make things better, but you were either not
unders
On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 14:48 +0100, Rémi Cardona wrote:
> Natanael and Fabio,
> But a proper bug report is the way to go if you things to move in any
> direction.
Happens once in while i post a patch there
http://tinyurl.com/399gnr
But somethimes you just need to accept we don't live in a perfe
On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 15:42 +0200, Petteri Räty wrote:
> Natanael Copa kirjoitti:
> > While Gentoo is fantasitc to build stuff, the binary packagement has
> > some serious issues. It would be really nice if Gentoo could be better
> > on supporting other binary only package managers.
> Expected a
> I think remi was more speaking about incorrect deps (say misplaced in
> RDEPEND) than problems concerning the package manager.
>
> In any case, openssl is the perfect example of what can go wrong because
> of upstream's behavior. The problem is that program A compiled against
> version X of opens
> Isn't that stored in the NEEDED file?
It very well might be, I'm not much of an expert here :)
> I think binpkgs store more information than you think. It's just that
> Portage doesn't fully use it (yet).
This is good information to know. Thanks!
Caleb
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Le jeudi 13 mars 2008 à 10:15 -0400, Caleb Tennis a écrit :
> > +1 on that and if people who use binary pkgs don't tell us what breaks,
> > we won't know.
>
> I'll kick it off, then.
>
> The binpkg format needs some way to store the actual versions of the
> dependencies as
> they were on the mac
(I experimented with binpkgs a little while ago in Prefix)
On 13-03-2008 10:15:33 -0400, Caleb Tennis wrote:
> > +1 on that and if people who use binary pkgs don't tell us what breaks,
> > we won't know.
>
> I'll kick it off, then.
>
> The binpkg format needs some way to store the actual version
> +1 on that and if people who use binary pkgs don't tell us what breaks,
> we won't know.
I'll kick it off, then.
The binpkg format needs some way to store the actual versions of the
dependencies as
they were on the machine the package was compiled on. Then, when emerging the
binpkg, someway t
On Thursday 13 March 2008 14:34:50 Natanael Copa wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 00:35 +0100, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
> > I offer my help to fix DEPEND/RDEPEND split issues which is causing me
> > a lot of headaches (along with localizations).
> > For reference, please have a look here:
> > http://pl
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Fabio Erculiani wrote:
| [02:31] lxnay: we offer all of our work that you base your
| distribution off, and you don't contribute back at all, in any way.
|
| ^^ This is a really stupid sentence. It seems some of you don't even
| realize how many user
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 2:10 PM, Fabio Erculiani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [02:31] lxnay: we offer all of our work that you base your
> distribution off, and you don't contribute back at all, in any way.
>
> ^^ This is a really stupid sentence.
While I would agree Halcy0n's statement is slig
Fabio Erculiani wrote:
media-libs/x264-svn -> dev-lang/yasm
dev-libs/lzo -> dev-lang/nasm
sys-apps/attr -> sys-devel/autoconf
*snip*
Some of those aren't broken, and I just fixed a few media ones in the
tree, but that list is similiar to what I was asking for earlier, and a
good way to contr
Natanael and Fabio,
Petteri Räty a écrit :
Natanael Copa kirjoitti:
I'm another distro builder that uses the Gentoo framework. I can only
agree. I had to roll my own binary package format and after a short
while I had to do the dependencies myself and just ignore RDEPEND since
it was close to
Fabio Erculiani kirjoitti:
[02:31] lxnay: we offer all of our work that you base your
distribution off, and you don't contribute back at all, in any way.
^^ This is a really stupid sentence. It seems some of you don't even
realize how many users we brought to Gentoo, and this is really sad.
>
Natanael Copa kirjoitti:
On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 00:35 +0100, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
I offer my help to fix DEPEND/RDEPEND split issues which is causing me
a lot of headaches (along with localizations).
For reference, please have a look here: http://planet.sabayonlinux.org/?p=105
I'm another di
On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 00:35 +0100, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
> I offer my help to fix DEPEND/RDEPEND split issues which is causing me
> a lot of headaches (along with localizations).
> For reference, please have a look here: http://planet.sabayonlinux.org/?p=105
I'm another distro builder that uses
Fabio Erculiani wrote:
[02:31] lxnay: we offer all of our work that you base your
distribution off, and you don't contribute back at all, in any way.
^^ This is a really stupid sentence. It seems some of you don't even
realize how many users we brought to Gentoo, and this is really sad.
For t
[02:31] lxnay: we offer all of our work that you base your
distribution off, and you don't contribute back at all, in any way.
^^ This is a really stupid sentence. It seems some of you don't even
realize how many users we brought to Gentoo, and this is really sad.
You see, people like Halcy0n, ag
Hi Robin,
first of all.
What I need is _basic_ respect on #gentoo-dev
You here seem all polite, but there you like playing me.
This is not a good start.
On 3/13/08, Robin H. Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 10:24:23AM +0100, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
> > media-libs/x264-s
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 10:24:23AM +0100, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
> media-libs/x264-svn -> dev-lang/yasm
> dev-libs/lzo -> dev-lang/nasm
I responded to you on IRC about these two, please see my message there,
as from everything I can see, the DEPs are actually correct.
(The config.log for lzo-1 indi
Shaochun Wang a écrit :
Sorry for the impatience! Where is the gnome overlay?
The git repository is here :
http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/gitweb/?p=proj/gnome.git;a=summary
You can emerge and setup app-portage/layman and then use it to manage
the Gnome overlay using the following command :
On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 18:02 +0800, Shaochun Wang wrote:
> Sorry for the impatience! Where is the gnome overlay?
>
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>
> Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It's listed as gnome-experimental in layman.
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Sorry for the impatience! Where is the gnome overlay?
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media-libs/x264-svn -> dev-lang/yasm
dev-libs/lzo -> dev-lang/nasm
sys-apps/attr -> sys-devel/autoconf
x11-libs/qt:3 (I reported it a while ago and it got fixed, it was a real mess)
net-dialup/capisuite -> sys-devel/autoconf
dev-libs/xmlsec -> sys-devel/autoconf
x11-misc/fluxbg -> sys-devel/autocon
Shaochun Wang a écrit :
Gnome 2.22 was out recently.
No, it was released less than 24 hours ago. "Recently" would have been
something like a week or two.
I have to say that this is by far one of the "best" 0-day bump reports
I've seen in a long time...
When does it come in portage?
Whe
> end up copying the ebuild from the tree into our overlay and fix.
great! where is it? does it have a webvc or trac interface?
thanks
Thilo
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2008/3/13, Shaochun Wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Gnome 2.22 was out recently. When does it come in portage?
When the gentoo-devs add it!
They are aware of the newly released gnome, so be patient!
Regards,
Daniel
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Gnome 2.22 was out recently. When does it come in portage?
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On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 12:35 AM, Fabio Erculiani
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> After having discussed with one of your dev about it, he suggested me
> to ask here looking for a mentor. If there's anything I can do, I'm
> ready.
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