# Ralph Sennhauser s...@gentoo.org (04 Jan 2012)
# Outdated Java version, fails to fetch, no upstream. #228929
# Removal in 30 days.
dev-java/jrockit-jdk-bin
El mié, 04-01-2012 a las 09:12 +0530, Arun Raghavan escribió:
On 4 January 2012 06:48, Nirbheek Chauhan nirbh...@gentoo.org wrote:
Hi folks,
Today, I was shocked to find that the EsounD daemon is still in the
tree and new ebuilds are actually still pulling it in under USE=esd!
Michał Górny schrieb:
On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 01:47:38 +0100
Thomas Sachau to...@gentoo.org wrote:
2. switching from udev to mdev (avoids required /usr of udev)
3. some wrapper script to mount /usr before udev starts
These two should be really discouraged as a cheap, temporary solution.
We
On 3 January 2012 15:21, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 07:59:47PM -0600, William Hubbs wrote
I see three options:
1) Start migrating packages along with upstream and have everyone who
has a separate /usr (including me by the way) start using an initramfs
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 7:58 AM, Arun Raghavan ford_pref...@gentoo.org wrote:
Does mdev support all the rules we have in /lib/udev/rules.d/? The
Internet is surprisingly mute on this subject, but a quick grep
through the busybox source doesn't turn up anything that suggests that
it might.
I
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 7:58 AM, Arun Raghavan ford_pref...@gentoo.org wrote:
Does mdev support all the rules we have in /lib/udev/rules.d/? The
Internet is surprisingly mute on this subject, but a quick grep
through the
Michał Górny wrote:
On Sun, 1 Jan 2012 08:53:26 +
Sven Vermeulen sw...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 07:59:47PM -0600, William Hubbs wrote:
The goal is to deprecate /bin, /lib, /sbin and /usr/sbin. My
understanding is that they want to move software that is installed
in
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Steven J Long
sl...@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk wrote:
The thing I don't understand is why it is necessary to move stuff from /bin
to /usr/bin. After all, if you're running the approved setup you don't
have a separate /usr so all the binaries are available from the
Rich Freeman wrote:
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Steven J Long
sl...@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk wrote:
The thing I don't understand is why it is necessary to move stuff from
/bin to /usr/bin. After all, if you're running the approved setup you
don't have a separate /usr so all the binaries are
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Steven J Long
sl...@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk wrote:
I was under the impression that anyone using lvm+raid (+luks) on root
already has an initramfs, and there are docs out there about that, but sure,
improving those docs and the software is always a good idea.
On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 13:06:11 +0100
Thomas Sachau to...@gentoo.org wrote:
Michał Górny schrieb:
On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 01:47:38 +0100
Thomas Sachau to...@gentoo.org wrote:
2. switching from udev to mdev (avoids required /usr of udev)
3. some wrapper script to mount /usr before udev starts
On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:51:12 +0100
Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote:
/bin/systemctl
libdbus-1.so.3 = /usr/lib64/libdbus-1.so.3
Here is a prime example of why vertical integration should really be
called a horrible mess of tight coupling...
Remember how people used to make fun of
On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 15:54:07 +
Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:51:12 +0100
Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote:
/bin/systemctl
libdbus-1.so.3 = /usr/lib64/libdbus-1.so.3
Considering that I really thought about stripping that one because
On 04-01-2012 16:37:34 +0100, Michał Górny wrote:
And this part was not about the movement to /usr at all, so why do you
suggest another movement here? And while you answer that, please also
tell us, why you want to migrate packages to a different install
location without a need.
On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 17:33:15 +0100
Fabian Groffen grob...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 04-01-2012 16:37:34 +0100, Michał Górny wrote:
And this part was not about the movement to /usr at all, so why
do you suggest another movement here? And while you answer that,
please also tell us, why you want
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Mikko C. mikko@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
for me removing esound causes Thunderbird to not play sounds anymore.
Related bug is https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=378155
Also googling for esound + thunderbird yields quite a few results related
to this.
On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Michał Górny wrote:
What mistakes?
The mistake of introducing a pointless separation based on a rule of
thumb which becomes more and more blurry over time, and hacking
packages just to make it work.
There's really nothing pointless or blurry about this separation.
The
On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 18:12 +0100, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Michał Górny wrote:
What mistakes?
The mistake of introducing a pointless separation based on a rule of
thumb which becomes more and more blurry over time, and hacking
packages just to make it work.
On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 15:54 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:51:12 +0100
Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote:
/bin/systemctl
libdbus-1.so.3 = /usr/lib64/libdbus-1.so.3
Here is a prime example of why vertical integration should really be
called a horrible mess of
On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 12:40:10 -0500
Olivier Crête tes...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 15:54 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:51:12 +0100
Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote:
/bin/systemctl
libdbus-1.so.3 = /usr/lib64/libdbus-1.so.3
Here is a prime
On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 03:19:57PM +, Steven J Long wrote:
I could swear we were told in prior discussions on this list that a separate
/usr partition is not considered supported by upstream udev, but searching
all I can find is that an initramfs is required.[1]
The upstream statement was
* Olivier Crête schrieb am 04.01.12 um 18:32 Uhr:
On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 18:12 +0100, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Michał Górny wrote:
What mistakes?
The mistake of introducing a pointless separation based on a rule of
thumb which becomes more and more blurry over
2012/1/5 Ulrich Mueller u...@gentoo.org
On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Michał Górny wrote:
There's really nothing pointless or blurry about this separation.
The FHS has a nice definition: The contents of the root filesystem
must be adequate to boot, restore, recover, and/or repair the system.
Given
* Olivier Crête schrieb am 04.01.12 um 18:40 Uhr:
On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 15:54 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:51:12 +0100
Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote:
/bin/systemctl
libdbus-1.so.3 = /usr/lib64/libdbus-1.so.3
Here is a prime example of why vertical
On Thu, 5 Jan 2012 07:27:49 +1300
Kent Fredric kentfred...@gmail.com wrote:
2012/1/5 Ulrich Mueller u...@gentoo.org
On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Michał Górny wrote:
There's really nothing pointless or blurry about this separation.
The FHS has a nice definition: The contents of the root
Michał Górny schrieb:
On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 13:06:11 +0100
Thomas Sachau to...@gentoo.org wrote:
Michał Górny schrieb:
On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 01:47:38 +0100
Thomas Sachau to...@gentoo.org wrote:
2. switching from udev to mdev (avoids required /usr of udev)
3. some wrapper script to mount /usr
On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 18:12:18 +0100
Ulrich Mueller u...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Michał Górny wrote:
What mistakes?
The mistake of introducing a pointless separation based on a rule of
thumb which becomes more and more blurry over time, and hacking
packages just to make
On Thu, 2012-01-05 at 07:27 +1300, Kent Fredric wrote:
2012/1/5 Ulrich Mueller u...@gentoo.org
On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Michał Górny wrote:
There's really nothing pointless or blurry about this separation.
The FHS has a nice definition: The contents of the root filesystem
must be adequate
On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 19:30 +0100, Marc Schiffbauer wrote:
* Olivier Crête schrieb am 04.01.12 um 18:40 Uhr:
On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 15:54 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:51:12 +0100
Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote:
/bin/systemctl
libdbus-1.so.3 =
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Kent Fredric kentfred...@gmail.com wrote:
Given that these tools are being moved to /usr and/or duplicated to in
initrd , what is the point of a root filesystem anyway now? Just to
mount other things on? Just to store /etc ?
Or will /etc move to /usr too?
I'd
On 04-01-2012 19:50:24 +0100, Michał Górny wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 18:12:18 +0100
Ulrich Mueller u...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Michał Górny wrote:
What mistakes?
The mistake of introducing a pointless separation based on a rule of
thumb which becomes more and
On 04-01-2012 13:51:26 -0500, Olivier Crête wrote:
No no no, the idea is that once all binaries are in /usr, you can easily
share /usr between different systems and do updates in a sane way.. You
can also mount /usr read-only, but still have / be read-write.
On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 19:48:03 +0100
Thomas Sachau to...@gentoo.org wrote:
Defining a prefix is no hack, it is an option you can use.
Anyway, we both have probably enough packages with such a hack
installed, but i cannot find a single file in /lib/pkgconfig, not even
that dir does exist. Is
On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 20:00:51 +0100
Fabian Groffen grob...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 04-01-2012 19:50:24 +0100, Michał Górny wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 18:12:18 +0100
Ulrich Mueller u...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Michał Górny wrote:
What mistakes?
The mistake of
On 04-01-2012 20:28:01 +0100, Michał Górny wrote:
And a compiler. If I mess up some important system component, I'd
really use one. And package manager. And backup system libraries...
Time for your PXE boot from net to just bring back a sane image or so.
My PXE boot from net won't
On 04-01-2012 20:26:27 +0100, Michał Górny wrote:
We use hacks to move shared libraries to rootfs, and then create one
more hack to not confuse the linker with different locations of static
and shared libraries.
So your point is that the reasons why this was originally done are now
no longer
On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 07:26:05PM +0100, Marc Schiffbauer wrote:
For example, to make that FHS definition be reality there are (can
be) runlevels that will only boot a system with all basic stuff
required to mount the rootfs and make root being able to login to
the local text console. These
* Olivier Crête schrieb am 04.01.12 um 19:53 Uhr:
On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 19:30 +0100, Marc Schiffbauer wrote:
* Olivier Crête schrieb am 04.01.12 um 18:40 Uhr:
On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 15:54 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:51:12 +0100
Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org
On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 21:45 +0100, Marc Schiffbauer wrote:
That said, in the new systemd world, bash is.. Since it's only a
UI
tools (just like gnome-shell for example). Since you don't need it
to
boot.
Yeah right. Having dbus for bluetooth is much more important than
having a shell.
On 01/04/2012 09:32 AM, Olivier Crête wrote:
On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 18:12 +0100, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Michał Górny wrote:
What mistakes?
The mistake of introducing a pointless separation based on a rule of
thumb which becomes more and more blurry over time, and hacking
On Sun, 01 Jan 2012 16:49:42 -0500
Olivier Crête tes...@gentoo.org wrote:
That's why you have dracut to do it for you.
Which is keyworded at this point. Stable users do what?
It's keyworded for only two arches.
This is a discussion about the future... Changing keywords is trivial
if we
* Olivier Crête schrieb am 04.01.12 um 22:55 Uhr:
On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 21:45 +0100, Marc Schiffbauer wrote:
That said, in the new systemd world, bash is.. Since it's only a
UI
tools (just like gnome-shell for example). Since you don't need it
to
boot.
Yeah right. Having dbus
Jeroen Roovers wrote:
On Sun, 01 Jan 2012 16:49:42 -0500
Olivier Crêtetes...@gentoo.org wrote:
That's why you have dracut to do it for you.
Which is keyworded at this point. Stable users do what?
It's keyworded for only two arches.
And amd64 is one of them. I'd say it is a fairly
Marc Schiffbauer posted on Wed, 04 Jan 2012 21:45:35 +0100 as excerpted:
Please remember that there are *way* more server systems running linux
without any graphical desktop at all than desktop systems.
So with Google activating ~800k android Linux systems a day last I heard,
how do the
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