Re: [gentoo-dev] Unmasking modular X

2006-01-25 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Jan 25, 2006 at 09:18:28PM +0900, Jason Stubbs wrote: > On Wednesday 25 January 2006 20:46, Brian Harring wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 25, 2006 at 08:27:22PM +0900, Jason Stubbs wrote: > > > On Wednesday 25 January 2006 18:10, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > > > > Jason

Re: [gentoo-dev] Unmasking modular X

2006-01-25 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Jan 25, 2006 at 08:27:22PM +0900, Jason Stubbs wrote: > On Wednesday 25 January 2006 18:10, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > > Jason Stubbs wrote: > > > DEPEND="x11-base/xorg-x11" # wrong > > > DEPEND="virtual/x11"# wrong > > > DEPEND="|| ( x11? ( virtual/x11 ) )"

Re: "Environement categories" (was Re: [gentoo-dev] fix binary debug support, part elevenity billion 1/2)

2006-01-24 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 08:06:12PM -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Tuesday 24 January 2006 01:44, Brian Harring wrote: > > Might I suggest this one just get shelved for a while? > > everything that gets shelved portage way stays that way for *quite* a while If people don't

Re: "Environement categories" (was Re: [gentoo-dev] fix binary debug support, part elevenity billion 1/2)

2006-01-23 Thread Brian Harring
On Mon, Jan 23, 2006 at 07:28:05PM +0100, Danny van Dyk wrote: > Donnie Berkholz schrieb: > | Marius Mauch wrote: > |>I meant the option is redundant if it just triggers a feature setting, > |>as it's the same as `FEATURES=debug-build emerge foo` > | > | OK, where's my package.features and packages

Re: [gentoo-dev] Compilation in src_test

2006-01-20 Thread Brian Harring
On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 08:05:42PM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > Say we have an autotooled package that provides a library. Say also > that this package provides several well written test programs that are > listed in Makefile.am under check_PROGRAMS. When emake is run, the > library will be buil

[gentoo-dev] NFP lack of progress

2006-01-20 Thread Brian Harring
Hola. Email's pretty simple- from where I'm sitting, there doesn't seem to be any actual progress on trustees issues. Current issues with no progress- 1) Copyright assignment. Check the nfp archives, last comment is sep 26th, seems to be totally dead. http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.

Re: [gentoo-dev] /sbin /usr/sbin security hole

2006-01-17 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 02:17:50PM +0100, Paweł Madej wrote: > Hello, > > Today i've noticed that common user do not have /sbin and /usr/sbin dirs > in their PATH but they can start all the tasks from that directories for > example on server machine someone could make /sbin/shutdown and turn the >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo "Stable" Portage/Releases

2006-01-11 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 10:38:30AM -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 00:03 -0700, Duncan wrote: > > Remember, portage already has a decent amount of signed content > > verification builtin, and is getting more. Just because it's not > > currently used, as the debate on stren

Re: [gentoo-dev] A New Linux Way

2006-01-10 Thread Brian Harring
Crap. Guess it's time to rename the portage rewrite branch (bugger, we were here first :P), especially since they're stating they'll have a saviour package manager... Think it's time to use my preferred name, bcportage- bastard child of portage ;) ~harring pgp81jtcXq0Tt.pgp Description: PGP

Re: [gentoo-dev] Projects and simple guides

2006-01-09 Thread Brian Harring
Sending this to the ml, tom already has heard the reasons but throwing them out for others to comment on... On Mon, Jan 09, 2006 at 04:47:57PM +, Tom Martin wrote: > > I realize this doesn't address the *rest* of what you said, though... > These little 'howtos' are potentially very short,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: ca-certificates PDEPEND

2006-01-09 Thread Brian Harring
On Mon, Jan 09, 2006 at 05:28:04PM +0100, Andrea Barisani wrote: > On Mon, Jan 09, 2006 at 05:21:42PM +0100, Jakub Moc wrote: > > > > 9.1.2006, 17:12:31, Andrea Barisani wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Jan 09, 2006 at 11:08:38AM -0500, solar wrote: > > > > >> > > >> Do you think the PDEPEND of the ca-

Re: [gentoo-dev] Projects and simple guides

2006-01-08 Thread Brian Harring
On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 11:30:16PM +, Stuart Herbert wrote: > On Sun, 2006-01-08 at 12:54 -0600, Lance Albertson wrote: > > > We could start a public wiki displaying all herds and projects. It would > > > be great to add some low level docs, herds/project goals, ideas and so. > > > Even the use

Re: [gentoo-dev] Projects and simple guides

2006-01-08 Thread Brian Harring
On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 06:07:48PM +, Renat Lumpau wrote: > On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 06:59:40PM +0100, Diego 'Flameeyes' Petten? wrote: > > GDP might be the place where to put them, but as they are mainly > > developer-oriented, they might be better accessed directly by devs (at > > least > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 19: Gentoo Stable Portage Tree -- ideas

2006-01-08 Thread Brian Harring
On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 10:55:50AM -0600, Lance Albertson wrote: > A few rough ideas that just popped in my > head is either packing all of these versions into one tarball (not even > sure if thats feasible) Ugly, binpkgs are bzip2ed tarballs + xpak at the end of the bzip2 stream, jamming multipl

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2006-01-08 Thread Brian Harring
On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 02:40:47PM +0100, Carsten Lohrke wrote: > On Sunday 08 January 2006 01:35, Stuart Herbert wrote: > > I agree that some cleaning is needed (and some of my packages are > > desperate for it!), but I'm totally opposed to this idea. I think the > > idea of shutting up shop for

[gentoo-dev] DISTDIR ebuild changes.

2006-01-07 Thread Brian Harring
Yo. Shouldn't be an issue unless you're doing something crazy, but the DISTDIR var exported to ebuilds will now point to an intermediate directory; all files stated via SRC_URI will be symlinks pointing back to the actual file in DISTDIR. Why? Well prior to this modification, it was possible

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: GLEP 42 (news) Round Seven

2006-01-07 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, Jan 07, 2006 at 01:18:20PM +0100, Jan Kundrát wrote: > Duncan wrote: > > Because that code will be implemented in portage, and the portage dev > > likely to implement it said it was a superfluous reference. =8^) > > > > Still, I'd prefer it referenced just for definition's sake, but when t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2006-01-07 Thread Brian Harring
On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 01:15:22AM +0100, Carsten Lohrke wrote: > On Sunday 01 January 2006 06:30, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > Keep in mind that every resubmission to the council for review must > > first be sent to the gentoo-dev mailing list 7 days (minimum) before > > being submitted as an agenda

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 19: Gentoo Stable Portage Tree -- ideas

2006-01-06 Thread Brian Harring
On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 10:05:49AM -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > On Fri, 2006-01-06 at 09:00 +, Chris Bainbridge wrote: > > On 06/01/06, Brian Harring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Probably better to iron out what y'all actually need and what th

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 19: Gentoo Stable Portage Tree -- ideas

2006-01-06 Thread Brian Harring
On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 09:27:23AM -0600, Lance Albertson wrote: > Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > On Fri, 2006-01-06 at 02:36 -0700, Duncan wrote: > > > >>OTOH, it's entirely possible a Gentoo /based/ enterprise distribution may > >>emerge at some point. IMO, however, there's enough conflict with wh

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 19: Gentoo Stable Portage Tree -- ideas

2006-01-05 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 11:42:36PM -0500, Andrew Muraco wrote: > Anyways, I would personally like to see if this can stir some interest. > I would be willing to help test and help make this GLEP a reality, > however I can not implement this myself as I lack python skills, but I > do want to help

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 19: Gentoo Stable Portage Tree -- ideas

2006-01-05 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 11:52:22PM -0500, Andrew Muraco wrote: > noticed something that doesn't make any sense: > > Andrew Muraco wrote: > > >- the existing portage code would consider +arch as a subset of arch, > >the reason both keywords will exist is to maintain compatibility with > >older v

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 (news) Round Seven

2006-01-05 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 03:11:38PM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > Nerry there now... Changes: > > * Due to overwhelming demand (it's the thing in this GLEP that has > generated least contention!), spaces are not allowed in repository > names. +1 on this revision, although I demand a pony

Re: [gentoo-dev] Thoughts on the whole gentoo future discussion

2006-01-05 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 10:00:08AM -0800, Matthew Marlowe wrote: > Hi all, > > The following are just my opinions/summaries: > > 1) It appears that the most dissatisfied devs are those > who have been proponents of the "enterprise" aspect > of gentoo. When they say that not much has been > acco

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2006-01-04 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Jan 04, 2006 at 10:05:52PM -0800, Corey Shields wrote: > Where is the centralized vision that everyone is working together here that > people not directly related to each project will buy in to and therefore do > what they can to see it succeed? We've had centralized visions for a long w

Re: [gentoo-dev] ChangeLogs and rsync time

2006-01-03 Thread Brian Harring
On Sun, Jan 01, 2006 at 10:48:18PM +0100, Grobian wrote: > On 01-01-2006 21:35:34 +0100, Francesco Riosa wrote with possible deletions: > > 1) bzip2 them in some way. > 4) compress Changelog entries where possible Anyone gathered transfer stats for rsync without --whole-file? compression won't pla

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Installing COPYING or LICENSE files

2005-12-26 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Dec 27, 2005 at 02:08:25AM -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Tuesday 27 December 2005 02:01, R Hill wrote: > > AFAIK most licenses need to be included with the distribution of the > > source, not installed on the system after compilation. But I could be > > wrong too. > > anyone who insta

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stupid USE defaults that need cleaning

2005-12-26 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Dec 27, 2005 at 12:10:04AM -0500, Chandler Carruth wrote: > Brian Harring wrote: > > >On Mon, Dec 26, 2005 at 11:28:17PM -0500, Chandler Carruth wrote: > >>3) there is _no_ functionality added by any of this, only > >>"user-friendliness" after a fas

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stupid USE defaults that need cleaning

2005-12-26 Thread Brian Harring
On Mon, Dec 26, 2005 at 11:28:17PM -0500, Chandler Carruth wrote: > It occurs to me that this could be (to an extent) accomplished by having > a few more "specialized" subprofiles for x86: base, desktop, gnome, and kde. > > base - as the name implies, a _basic_ starting point... very similar to >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Multiple Repo Support

2005-12-26 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Dec 27, 2005 at 03:54:38AM +0100, Carsten Lohrke wrote: > On Tuesday 27 December 2005 03:40, Brian Harring wrote: > > The version of digikam being merged requires slot=3.5- it should be > > depending on libk* slot=3.5, also, no? > > No! It (and also its dependencies)

Re: [gentoo-dev] Multiple Repo Support

2005-12-26 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Dec 27, 2005 at 03:36:00AM +0100, Carsten Lohrke wrote: > On Tuesday 27 December 2005 03:11, Brian Harring wrote: > > Never said anything about 2.1 + resolver enhancements (no clue where > > that one came from). Merely commenting on your raised issues about > > use

Re: [gentoo-dev] Multiple Repo Support

2005-12-26 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Dec 27, 2005 at 03:32:04AM +0100, Carsten Lohrke wrote: > On Tuesday 27 December 2005 03:11, Brian Harring wrote: > > Either way, still not totally following your complaint, thus an actual > > example would help (easiest to assume I'm a moron, and start at that >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Multiple Repo Support

2005-12-26 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Dec 27, 2005 at 03:07:52AM +0100, Carsten Lohrke wrote: > On Tuesday 27 December 2005 02:23, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > Nooo! That's exactly the point I was making. Carsten is assuming that > > by using [slot:bar] syntax, no backwards incompatibility will be > > introduced by adding a new [

Re: [gentoo-dev] Multiple Repo Support

2005-12-26 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Dec 27, 2005 at 03:01:13AM +0100, Carsten Lohrke wrote: > On Tuesday 27 December 2005 02:29, Brian Harring wrote: > > So... basically, your concern is with the resolver, not use/slot deps > > syntax. > > I did not say that this would have anything to do with the syn

Re: [gentoo-dev] Multiple Repo Support

2005-12-26 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Dec 27, 2005 at 02:31:02AM +0100, Carsten Lohrke wrote: > On Tuesday 27 December 2005 01:46, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > You solve this either by SLOTting bar and making each bar SLOT use a > > SLOT dep upon KDE, or by using USE flags and [use]:slot deps. > > It's not a that uncommon case a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Multiple Repo Support

2005-12-26 Thread Brian Harring
On Mon, Dec 26, 2005 at 09:09:31PM +0100, Carsten Lohrke wrote: > On Saturday 24 December 2005 02:04, Brian Harring wrote: > > dev-lang/python[tcltk] > > ^^^ need that atom resolved with use flag tcltk enabled > > I think that's exactly what someone told me months

Re: [gentoo-dev] Allow upstream tags in metadata.xml (GLEP 46)

2005-12-26 Thread Brian Harring
On Mon, Dec 26, 2005 at 08:12:03PM -0500, Dan Meltzer wrote: > On 12/26/05, Lares Moreau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, 2005-12-27 at 00:59 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > > On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 01:45:00 +0100 Stefan Schweizer > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > | That will increase the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Multiple Repo Support

2005-12-26 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Dec 27, 2005 at 01:03:49AM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 16:57:07 -0800 Brian Harring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > | Not saying it's a great idea, but EAPI exists to provide immediate > | transition to incompatible changes instead of the usua

Re: [gentoo-dev] Allow upstream tags in metadata.xml (GLEP 46)

2005-12-26 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Dec 27, 2005 at 12:59:34AM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 01:45:00 +0100 Stefan Schweizer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | That will increase the sync time for all of our users - can we please > | keep this info out of the sync-tree? > > Learn to use the rsync exclude

Re: [gentoo-dev] Multiple Repo Support

2005-12-26 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Dec 27, 2005 at 12:46:49AM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > | > The existing syntax is just as extensible. Up the EABI revision, and > | > start adding new syntax as needed. > | > | EAPI has nothing to do with the consistency of the syntax. Getting it > | once right, is what you usually cal

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: $BUILDDIR in ebuilds

2005-12-26 Thread Brian Harring
On Mon, Dec 26, 2005 at 02:51:26AM -0500, Michael Sterrett -Mr. Bones.- wrote: > Like in here? > > app-doc/halibut/halibut-0.9.ebuild: BUILDDIR="${S}/build" \ > net-dns/maradns/maradns-1.0.27.ebuild:BUILDDIR=${S}/build \ > net-dns/maradns/maradns-1.0.32.ebuild:

[gentoo-dev] $BUILDDIR in ebuilds

2005-12-25 Thread Brian Harring
Hola all. Just sending a notice/reminder that ebuilds should not be using $BUILDDIR directly- especially since vapier just commited a rename of that var. ~harring pgpunxuTIS1nk.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] mac/xmms-mac licence issue

2005-12-24 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, Dec 24, 2005 at 07:22:50PM -0800, Bret Towe wrote: > > > i can understand putting proper warning in the ebuild if the dev > > > thinks that its worth the user really noting the issues surrounding > > > it, not forcing their ideals onto the user > > > if i wanted that i would run debian > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] mac/xmms-mac licence issue

2005-12-24 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, Dec 24, 2005 at 07:17:05PM -0800, Bret Towe wrote: > On 12/24/05, Carsten Lohrke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This isn't politics, but copyright infringement on top of a ridiculous > > license > > (when you want to see it as one) we had a short discussion¹ about several > > months ago. >

Re: [gentoo-dev] mac/xmms-mac licence issue

2005-12-24 Thread Brian Harring
License in question... http://bugs.gentoo.org/attachment.cgi?id=35862&action=view On Sat, Dec 24, 2005 at 06:11:53PM -0800, Bret Towe wrote: > earily today i updated the ebuilds for mac and xmms-mac, > for those that dont know their applications for monkey's audio (.ape files), > and got them sub

Re: how to contribute to use/slot deps: was Re: [gentoo-dev] Multiple Repo Support

2005-12-24 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, Dec 24, 2005 at 05:33:06PM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 23:56:37 -0800 Brian Harring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > | It's really pretty simple- get off your butt and chip in if you want > | it, else you're on _our_ timeline (eg, we impl

how to contribute to use/slot deps: was Re: [gentoo-dev] Multiple Repo Support

2005-12-23 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, Dec 24, 2005 at 12:40:35PM +0900, Jason Stubbs wrote: > On Saturday 24 December 2005 05:45, Spider (DmD Lj) wrote: > > On Sat, 2005-12-24 at 03:37 +0900, Jason Stubbs wrote: > > > On Saturday 24 December 2005 03:23, Paul de Vrieze wrote: > > > > On Friday 23 December 2005 19:12, Ciaran McCr

Re: [gentoo-dev] Multiple Repo Support

2005-12-23 Thread Brian Harring
On Fri, Dec 23, 2005 at 10:30:09PM +0100, Carsten Lohrke wrote: > On Friday 23 December 2005 21:45, Spider (DmD Lj) wrote: > > Erm.. No, I don't think he is. We've been asking / waiting for the > > [use] syntax to appear since before you joined the project. It's been on > > "the list" for so long

Re: [gentoo-dev] December 15th Meeting Summary

2005-12-19 Thread Brian Harring
On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 01:45:04PM -0500, solar wrote: > > So right now I'll go ahead and add the pycrypto code to portage, but > > will not yet add the dep to any ebuild or change anything metadata.xml > > or ChangeLog related (according to Jason 2.0.54 is still away one or > > two weeks anyway).

Re: [gentoo-dev] glep 42 (news) round six

2005-12-18 Thread Brian Harring
On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 04:52:23PM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 23:27:32 -0800 Brian Harring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > | To head off the "don't make features that are easily screwed up", > | this isn't one of them- this is expecting

Re: [gentoo-dev] glep 42 (news) round six

2005-12-18 Thread Brian Harring
On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 12:18:16PM +0200, Marius Mauch wrote: > Brian Harring wrote: > >On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 06:23:55AM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > > >>On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 21:50:47 -0800 Brian Harring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>| You haven't state

Re: [gentoo-dev] glep 42 (news) round six

2005-12-17 Thread Brian Harring
On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 06:23:55AM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 21:50:47 -0800 Brian Harring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > | Drop the magic-chicken crap (especially in light of your comments > | about 'professional' news inline in the glep). >

Re: [gentoo-dev] glep 42 (news) round six

2005-12-17 Thread Brian Harring
On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 04:15:45AM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > Here we go again... Changes: > > * We're now supporting overlays, multiple repositories and magic flying > chickens. To do this, we're shoving a whole load of new requirements > onto Portage. Said requirements are documented under

Re: [gentoo-dev] draft glep: multi-repo

2005-12-17 Thread Brian Harring
On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 01:08:31AM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 17:01:59 -0800 Brian Harring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > | Do you need to know how every bit of a car works to drive it? No. > > No, but I do need to know whether it has manual or

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42 (Critical news reporting) updates

2005-12-17 Thread Brian Harring
On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 01:07:27AM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 16:51:05 -0800 Brian Harring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > | Transitioning from single news.unread to N is going to break clients > | that expect a single. > > Yup. > > | As

Re: [gentoo-dev] draft glep: multi-repo

2005-12-17 Thread Brian Harring
On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 12:24:48AM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 16:14:15 -0800 Brian Harring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > | What remaining straw men are there for ignoring the portage > | developers requests? > > Asking you to specify how multipl

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42 (Critical news reporting) updates

2005-12-17 Thread Brian Harring
On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 12:14:30AM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 15:33:18 -0800 Brian Harring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 09:54:06PM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > | > Well, if Portage ever gets multiple repository support, then

Re: [gentoo-dev] draft glep: multi-repo

2005-12-17 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, Dec 17, 2005 at 11:25:58PM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 15:15:48 -0800 Brian Harring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > | True stand alone repository capabilities aren't required/bound to > | glep42, all that's required out of glep42 is tha

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42 (Critical news reporting) updates

2005-12-17 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 09:54:06PM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:48:45 -0800 Zac Medico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | I wish you'd reconsider, because I was looking forward to multiple > | repository support. > > Well, if Portage ever gets multiple repository support, the

Re: [gentoo-dev] draft glep: multi-repo

2005-12-17 Thread Brian Harring
Pardon bluntness; don't mean offense, just specifically picking the hell out of this proposal to make a point (lucky you) :) On Sat, Dec 17, 2005 at 03:17:44AM -0500, Andrew Muraco wrote: > Attached is a draft of a glep for formalizing multiple-repository support I appreciate trying to chip in,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Multiple Repo Support

2005-12-17 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, Dec 17, 2005 at 09:21:45PM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 13:16:04 -0800 Zac Medico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > | > Well, that depends... If you have sys-apps/foo installed from the > | > gentoo-x86 repository, and the breakmygentoo repositor

Re: [gentoo-dev] Multiple Repo Support

2005-12-16 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, Dec 17, 2005 at 03:48:05AM +0100, Luca Barbato wrote: > >Just one remark: What about making the syntax a bit more familiar to C++ > >users: > > > >~ DEPENDS="gentoo-foo::foo-bar/baz-2.1" > > > >Comments? > > > > what about > > DEPENDS="gentoo-foo/foo-bar/baz-2.1" No, screws over >1 depth

Re: [gentoo-dev] Multiple Repo Support

2005-12-16 Thread Brian Harring
4am, pardon typos... On Fri, Dec 16, 2005 at 03:56:30AM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:34:05 -0500 Andrew Muraco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > | 2. What choices/options are on the table for this feature? > > The big controversy seems to be over whether repositories carry

Re: [gentoo-dev] http://people.gentoo.org/

2005-12-06 Thread Brian Harring
On Mon, Dec 05, 2005 at 06:39:45PM +0100, Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: > Allowing toucan:~brix/public_html/ to be accessed under either of the > http://dev.gentoo.org/~brix/ and http://people.gentoo.org/brix/ URLs? *cough* http://www.gentoo.org/~brix No clue if that's a hold over from older days, b

Re: [gentoo-dev] enewuser/enewgroup getting their own eclass

2005-11-23 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Nov 23, 2005 at 01:15:52PM -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > OK. I've been looking at some of these issues we've been having, and > I've been thinking of moving enewuser, egetent, and enewgroup to their > own eclass. This will resolve some issues with things in system, or > otherwise early

[gentoo-dev] New Dev: Marien Zwart (marienz)

2005-11-23 Thread Brian Harring
Hola all. Please welcome Marien Zwart, aka marienz to the crew. He's joining up as a python monkey, working on twisted (2.x stable ebuilds anyone? ^.^), portage 3 hacking, and pretty much anything python wise. Finally, he's been helping out in #gentoo for quite some time. His words- From Groni

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Decision to remove stage1/2 from installation documentation

2005-11-22 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 11:36:01PM -0600, Dale wrote: > R Hill wrote: > Getting a sync past 50% with slowing to a crawl > would be nice. Plenty of people complaining about that. > > Don't beat me to much OK. Be gentle. Really need to release a portage that contains http://dev.gentoo.org/~ferrin

[gentoo-dev] New Dev: Jeroen Roovers aka JeR

2005-11-20 Thread Brian Harring
All- Jeroen Roovers, mentored by gmsoft, is joining up to help the HPPA crew. In his words, I have lived in the Nederlands all my life and still intend to change that. I am married and I have two children (now aged 5 and nearly 4). I enjoy music, reading and toying with all the computer syst

[gentoo-dev] New Dev: Thunder

2005-11-20 Thread Brian Harring
Hola list, Damian Florczyk has joined the Alt project to help with the FBSD port, and NetBSD port he's been working on externally. He's 22. lives in Wroclaw (Breslau) PL, and is in his third year of CS. It goes without saying that now would be the time to unleash a few "BSD is dead" jokes (m

Re: [gentoo-dev] Email subdomain

2005-11-19 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, Nov 19, 2005 at 06:05:18PM -0600, Lance Albertson wrote: > And yes, we probably could/should have said something > about lark earlier, but didn't catch that before hand. Shit happens (lark). The appearance/concerns of cvs (specifically the "this won't fly if it's single key") is what I'm

Retiring devs [was Re: [gentoo-dev] implementation details for GLEP 41]

2005-11-19 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, Nov 19, 2005 at 11:04:44PM +, Kurt Lieber wrote: > > The problem is in detection- an infra issue that could be solved by > > either allowing normal devrel people to run the detection scripts > > themselves (rather then asking infra to do so) > > First I've heard of this request. Has

Re: [gentoo-dev] Email subdomain

2005-11-19 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, Nov 19, 2005 at 03:06:41PM -0800, Corey Shields wrote: > On Saturday 19 November 2005 02:19 pm, Brian Harring wrote: > > > Minor? What you're asking for will cause a lot of administrative > > > nightmare for infra to manage those subdomain addresse

Re: [gentoo-dev] Email subdomain

2005-11-19 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, Nov 19, 2005 at 04:46:51PM -0600, Lance Albertson wrote: > Brian Harring wrote: > > It's a crazy notion, but y'all could've commented in the *TWO* months > > that this glep has been percolating, "yo, what do you want from an > > infra standpoint?

Re: [gentoo-dev] implementation details for GLEP 41

2005-11-19 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, Nov 19, 2005 at 10:47:37PM +, Kurt Lieber wrote: > On Sat, Nov 19, 2005 at 04:30:53PM -0600 or thereabouts, Brian Harring wrote: > > Infra doesn't even do retirement beyond when _devrel_ asks them to. If > > that process is slow, ask for help and someone will

Re: [gentoo-dev] Email subdomain

2005-11-19 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, Nov 19, 2005 at 03:27:52PM -0700, Tres Melton wrote: > staff.gentoo.org forum staff > amd64-at.gentoo.org Arch testers for the amd64 platform > contributer.gentoo.orgPeople that donate $$$ to Gentoo > retired.gentoo.orgA thanks for helping

Re: [gentoo-dev] implementation details for GLEP 41

2005-11-19 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, Nov 19, 2005 at 10:03:58PM +, Kurt Lieber wrote: > On Sat, Nov 19, 2005 at 01:51:15PM -0600 or thereabouts, Brian Harring wrote: > > Stop pointing at one interpretation of it that sucks, when the glep > > _does_ leave it open to you how to implement it. It's a wa

Re: [gentoo-dev] Email subdomain

2005-11-19 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, Nov 19, 2005 at 03:20:57PM -0600, Lance Albertson wrote: > Danny van Dyk wrote: > > > Please have a look at the council's meeting log. They said: > > a) the changes had been minor and exactly what the changes they wanted > > in in the first meeting. > > Minor? What you're asking for will

Re: [gentoo-dev] implementation details for GLEP 41

2005-11-19 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, Nov 19, 2005 at 07:14:03PM +, Kurt Lieber wrote: > On Sat, Nov 19, 2005 at 08:03:55PM +0100 or thereabouts, Sven Vermeulen wrote: > > Isn't this an issue that also exists for the Gentoo developers in general? > > Not as much since we can track things like last cvs commit, last login to

Re: [gentoo-dev] implementation details for GLEP 41

2005-11-19 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, Nov 19, 2005 at 05:06:15PM +, Kurt Lieber wrote: > For instance, the way GLEP 41 suggests doing r/o cvs is not going to work. > It suggests using a single account and placing an SSH key for each arch > tester in that account's ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file. text in question "Get read-onl

Re: [gentoo-dev] Email subdomain

2005-11-19 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, Nov 19, 2005 at 09:16:06AM -0700, Lares Moreau wrote: > Is there a possibility to have each 'type' of staff have there own > subdomain. ie. @testers.g.o for at/ht > @docs.g.o for document persons > @infra.g.o for infrastucture > etc... >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for media-video/realone, media-video/realvideo-codecs and old versions of realplayer

2005-11-18 Thread Brian Harring
On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 01:28:02AM +0100, Diego 'Flameeyes' Petten? wrote: > On Wednesday 16 November 2005 20:16, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > you asking or telling ? ?didnt you learn anything in elementary school ? > Is "rhetorical question" a new concept for you? Maybe I'm daft, but this OT cruft _

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 "Critical News Reporting" Round Two

2005-11-05 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, Nov 05, 2005 at 05:45:35PM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > | > News items may be signed using GPG. If this is done, a detached > | > signature should be used. > | > | I'd argue for must be, personally. A bogus news item claiming to be > | from portage devs, telling users to change their

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 "Critical News Reporting" Round Two

2005-11-05 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, Nov 05, 2005 at 10:18:14PM +0900, Jason Stubbs wrote: > > ``Display-If-Installed:`` > > ?? ?? A dependency atom or simple package name (for example, > > ?? ?? `` > ?? ?? package specified installed, the news item should be displayed. > > > > ``Display-If-Keyword:`` > > ?? ?? A keyword [#gl

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 "Critical News Reporting" Round Two

2005-11-05 Thread Brian Harring
Additional issue/question... On Sat, Nov 05, 2005 at 12:58:14AM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > 6. Portage filters the news item and, if it is relevant, installs it in a >special location to be read by a news item reader. Messages are also >displayed to inform the user that news is availab

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 "Critical News Reporting" Round Two

2005-11-05 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, Nov 05, 2005 at 12:58:14AM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > Lightweight > It is not reasonable to expect all users to have an MTA, web browser, > email > client, cron daemon or text processing suite available on their system. > > Multiple delivery method support > Some users

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP ??: Critical News Reporting

2005-11-03 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Nov 03, 2005 at 08:24:27PM -0500, Nathan L. Adams wrote: > I'm also commenting on the part that *wrongly* states "It is not > reasonable to expect all users to have an MTA, *web browser*, email > client, cron daemon or text processing suite available on their system. > In particular, this m

[gentoo-dev] New Translator: achumakov

2005-11-03 Thread Brian Harring
Round two; We've got a new lead russian translator, Alexey Chumakov (achumakov). Feel free to harass him, make him tell you dirty words in russian, and make 'em do a bit of work in addition. Some background info provided from him- I am 30. I was born in Kiev, Ukraine, and now live in Moscow.

[gentoo-dev] New Dev: markusle

2005-11-03 Thread Brian Harring
Hola all- Got us a new dev to harass, mentored by ribosome, and helping out in the scientific herd- quantum chemistry, and molecular dynamics packages, subjects that have have the potential to cause cereberal hemorrhaging :) In his own words- I have been part of our research group's (http://w

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP ??: Critical News Reporting

2005-11-01 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Nov 01, 2005 at 10:16:35PM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:57:13 +0100 Jan Kundr??t <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | On Tuesday 01 of November 2005 19:25 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > | > On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 17:22:29 +0100 Jan Kundr??t <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > | > wrote: > | > |

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP ??: Critical News Reporting

2005-10-31 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Nov 01, 2005 at 02:24:40AM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 20:16:30 -0600 Brian Harring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > | On Tue, Nov 01, 2005 at 01:51:25AM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > | > ``Posted:`` > | > Date of posting, in ``dd-mmm

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP ??: Critical News Reporting

2005-10-31 Thread Brian Harring
On Mon, Oct 31, 2005 at 09:08:19PM -0500, Dan Meltzer wrote: > I spoke to you about this in PM, but I think I didn't make it clear, > so here we are :) > > WRT links in file updates, this seems completely backwards. If a user > was admining over ssh, it would be far easier for them to load www.g.

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP ??: Critical News Reporting

2005-10-31 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Nov 01, 2005 at 01:51:25AM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > ``Posted:`` > Date of posting, in ``dd-mmm-`` format (e.g. 14-Aug-2001). > Mandatory. Don't have a good arguement as to why it should be added, but utc time seems like it should be included. > ``Display-If-Installed:``

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 (Was: Getting Important Updates To Users)

2005-10-31 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Nov 01, 2005 at 08:36:23AM +0900, Chris White wrote: > Attached in plain text form is glep 42 for the discussed thread. > emerge --news support > - > > As already mentioned by Stuart, in this way users are bound to the one thing > guaranteed on their system: Portage. T

Re: [gentoo-dev] Getting Important Updates To Users

2005-10-31 Thread Brian Harring
On Mon, Oct 31, 2005 at 03:56:08PM -0500, Dave Shanker wrote: > What about Portage auto generating a upgrade file > (/usr/portage/notices (like it does with it's cache) and then > providing a notice at the end of an emerge than lets the user know > it's there and how to read it. We could even provi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ebuilds for packages without a homepage?

2005-10-25 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Oct 25, 2005 at 08:57:59PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:51:26 -0500 Brian Harring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > | portage substitutes "" when metadata keys are unset during depends > | export. Seems kind of pointless requiring an

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ebuilds for packages without a homepage?

2005-10-25 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Oct 25, 2005 at 09:36:02PM +0200, Spider (D.m.D. Lj.) wrote: > On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 20:22 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:35:20 +0200 Krzysiek Pawlik > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > | Marco Morales wrote: > > | > I think "none" could be the better workaround imh

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] allow extra info to be echod on die

2005-10-05 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Oct 05, 2005 at 03:04:23PM -0400, Aron Griffis wrote: > Brian Harring wrote: [Wed Oct 05 2005, 02:47:09PM EDT] > >> diefunc() { > >> local funcname="$1" lineno="$2" exitcode="$3" > >> shift 3 > >> @@

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] allow extra info to be echod on die

2005-10-05 Thread Brian Harring
; CC'ing gentoo-dev, since I'd expect some devs would be interested in it. ~harring On Wed, Oct 05, 2005 at 11:48:01AM -0500, Brian Harring wrote: > On Wed, Oct 05, 2005 at 04:33:17PM +, Thomas Matthijs wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I would really like a way to echo m

Re: [gentoo-dev] Interactive emerge

2005-10-03 Thread Brian Harring
On Mon, Oct 03, 2005 at 07:39:05PM +0200, Jan Kundr?t wrote: > Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > On Mon, 3 Oct 2005 23:15:37 +0900 Georgi Georgiev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > | Does it seem like it is time for RESTRICT=interactive. Such ebuilds > > | would refuse to emerge if stdout is not a tty. If on

Re: [gentoo-dev] lights on internals

2005-10-02 Thread Brian Harring
On Sun, Oct 02, 2005 at 11:07:13PM +0200, Francesco R wrote: > The ready to cut ebuild at the bottom print it's environment (variable > and functions) to a bunch of files into /var/tmp/fakebuild/. > May be useful for who want to have a look at "what" and "when" is > avaible during the various emerg

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