Re: [gentoo-dev] Monolithic X unsupported

2006-09-09 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Mike Frysinger wrote: how about a local USE flag like all-the-junk-in-the-trunk ? Why? Just makes more work for us, for no apparent reason. I'd rather be able to pull unused stuff from the tree after a while than add a new option to install stuff nobody will ever run. Thanks, Donnie

Re: [gentoo-dev] Paid support

2006-09-08 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Curtis Napier wrote: Giving ad space to our sponsors is legal for us to do as a Not For Profit because they are donating goods and/or services to us. Technically we are not giving them ads, we are acknowledging the donated goods and/or services. Just like PBS does at the beginning of it's

Re: [gentoo-dev] Global USE flags bite the dust...

2006-09-06 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Doug Goldstein wrote: The following global USE flags have been deleted from the tree because no ebuild uses them. dba dio ingres msession nhc98 oggvorbis zeo Have you looked in eclass/ ? A quick grep for those sees a lot popping up in php eclasses. Thanks, Donnie signature.asc

Re: [gentoo-dev] Trustees Announcement

2006-09-05 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Mike Doty wrote: What vote? I don't remember one. 5 nominees, 5 positions. Did you want a popularity contest among them? Thanks, Donnie signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Paid support

2006-09-02 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Robin H. Johnson wrote: On Sat, Sep 02, 2006 at 08:55:33AM -0500, Mike Doty wrote: If that's not good enough for you, please find a distribution that you have to pay for like RHEL. Their testing is no better than ours, but at least paying something entitles you to bitch at them. Or consider

Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-08-25 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 22:36 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote: From what I see, projects are pretty free to govern themselves. How do you see it differently? How do you kick someone out of a project? Currently, I know of no way to do so. What process is required

Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-08-24 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Sune Kloppenborg Jeppesen wrote: On Thursday 24 August 2006 02:17, Donnie Berkholz wrote: All in all, the vocal minority has done a splendid job of becoming more influential, crippling Gentoo's ability to do anything at all about its members, their flames, their outstanding work at ruining

Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-08-24 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Sune Kloppenborg Jeppesen wrote: On Thursday 24 August 2006 09:52, Donnie Berkholz wrote: Sune Kloppenborg Jeppesen wrote: What? This doesn't make any sense. People bitching and moaning and screaming all over -dev until no one else has any interest in pursuing anything has nothing to do

Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-08-24 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Stuart Herbert wrote: On 8/24/06, Donnie Berkholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I think about where Gentoo was when we turned into a democracy years ago, and where Gentoo is now, I don't see much of a difference on the large scale. We lack any global vision for where Gentoo is going, we can't

Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-08-24 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Marius Mauch wrote: Donnie isn't much clearer either (it's mostly observations mixed with personal feelings, not much in real problem anlysis). Yeah, later I'll probably boil that down into something more bullet-pointy. Thanks, Donnie -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-08-24 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 14:00 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote: Oh, gimme a break. Screaming about it on -dev for hundreds of posts isn't just equivalent to a vote, it's better. It makes people think there's more than 2 developers opposed to it. Really? Even you didn't

Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-08-24 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 14:54 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Most of these problems could be solved if we had a council that was far less spineless, a council that's prepared to address the *real* issues rather than doing nothing, a council that shows leadership and

Re: [gentoo-dev] mulltiib cruft: /emul

2006-08-21 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Herbie Hopkins wrote: I'm not sure why /emul was originally chosen though it's a choice I've just gone along with whilst maintaining these packages. I've always viewed the emul libs as a temporary measure until we had full multilib fuctionality in portage. Afaik the only person working on this

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal for cleaning portage a bit (themes and other eyecandy stuff)

2006-08-18 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Simon Toth wrote: Hi, I posted this to the bugzilla, but was redirected here, so: INTRO: I have just a small proposal. There are many theme packages in portage, but many good are still missing, the problem I actually noticed when creating my own ebuild for comix cursors, is that there is

Re: [gentoo-dev] Setting USE_EXPAND defaults in profiles (in some cases)

2006-08-18 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Donnie Berkholz wrote: For ebuilds that use USE_EXPAND to pull in other dependencies rather than just internally building drivers (I suspect xorg is the only one), I've been thinking of a way to make the whole setup cleaner. agaffney suggested this in the first place, and every time I think

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: multiple inheritance support for profiles

2006-08-13 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Alec Warner wrote: I think both our points are that there is a middle ground between screwing the user outright and holding their hand. If you want to trumpet the change on forums, on www, on -announce, get the message out there; then I'd be more for a change like that. The problem is last

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: mulltiib cruft: /emul

2006-08-10 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Olivier Crete wrote: It was chosen by brad_mssw to match the way it is done on ia64. And I think we should continue to put the binary app-emulation/emul-linux-x86-* in /emul/ and that lib32 should be reserved for properly installed packages using portage whenever we manage to get portage to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: mulltiib cruft: /emul

2006-08-10 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Mike Frysinger wrote: On Thursday 10 August 2006 15:42, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: More generally we have varying approaches to pre-built packages; app-office/openoffice-bin installs to /usr for example, while mail-client/mozilla-thunderbird-bin and www-client/mozilla-firefox-bin install to /opt.

Re: [gentoo-dev] use.force as a complement to use.mask in profiles

2006-08-08 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Jason Wever wrote: This could allow for us to get rid of the nofoo use flag nomenclature that folks have been doing for functionality that is highly suggested to be on by default. So would just adding it to make.defaults ... people using -* deserve what they get, if they don't pay attention.

Re: [gentoo-dev] use.force as a complement to use.mask in profiles

2006-08-08 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Uh, no it wouldn't. Part of the reason we have no* flags is to avoid dep problems. Consider: USE=!foo? ( some_unavailable_on_x86_package ) versus: USE=nofoo? ( some_unavailable_on_x86_package ) The nofoo flag can be use masked. The foo flag can't. This patch

Re: [gentoo-dev] SearchSecurity.com: Linux patch problems: Your distro may vary

2006-08-07 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Wolfram Schlich wrote: Any comments or thoughts about this? Read the comments here: http://lwn.net/Articles/193107/ In the future, please don't double-post to subscriber-only lists, very few people can reply to both. Thanks, Donnie signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal for advanced useflag-syntax

2006-08-07 Thread Donnie Berkholz
W.Kenworthy wrote: My personal opinion is that whilst things like modular X are good for developers, they are not so good for users - particularly gentoo users. Definitely not true. The X.Org 7.1 release shared the vast majority of packages with 7.0, so there were very few upgrades -- just a

Re: [gentoo-dev] use.force as a complement to use.mask in profiles

2006-08-07 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Zac Medico wrote: I've written a patch [1] that implements support for use.force and package.use.force as originally described by Sven Wegener [2] over a year ago. Basically, this feature is the exact opposite of use.mask and package.use.mask. It forces USE flags to be enabled. The only way

[gentoo-dev] Setting USE_EXPAND defaults in profiles (in some cases)

2006-08-03 Thread Donnie Berkholz
For ebuilds that use USE_EXPAND to pull in other dependencies rather than just internally building drivers (I suspect xorg is the only one), I've been thinking of a way to make the whole setup cleaner. agaffney suggested this in the first place, and every time I think about it, it seems like a

Re: [gentoo-dev] RT2X00_DEVICE USE_EXPAND

2006-08-02 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Roy Marples wrote: Seeing as this requires discussion according to make.defaults The rt2x00 cvs driver supports various RT wireless chipsets and the user should be able to control which one gets installed. This is also important as the cvs portion of a specific driver may break over time.

Re: [gentoo-dev] metastructure model (was Re: Sunrise contemplations)

2006-08-02 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Kevin F. Quinn wrote: On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 12:00:56 +0200 Thierry Carrez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Excerpt from the metastructure model, chosen by the majority of devs last year (and not my model): [...] * It may have one or many leads, and the leads are selected by the members of the

Re: [gentoo-dev] net-im/aim masked for removal

2006-08-02 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Enrico Weigelt wrote: BTW: could be introduce an separate (optional) masking method for such proprietary stuff ? I personally don't want to have such stuff on my system, but I'm really too lazy for check each package I intend to install by its own. Would also be cool to have database

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise resumed again (was Resignation)

2006-08-02 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Lance Albertson wrote: I think the point a lot of people are concerned about are packages that contain libraries or other dependencies that reside in the sunrise tree. There's a good chance that a package in the regular tree will link against a package from sunrise, the user will have no idea or

[gentoo-dev] net-im/aim masked for removal

2006-07-31 Thread Donnie Berkholz
I've masked net-im/aim, AOL's proprietary offering. It hasn't seen a release in years, it's binary-only, and it's far less capable than any other client out there. I'll remove it in 30 days, or whenever I remember it's still there. Thanks, Donnie signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital

Re: [gentoo-dev] proxy-dev (an alternative to sunrise?)

2006-07-28 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Robert Cernansky wrote: If I have some application that is not included in portage why I decide to make an ebuild? Because I hope that then it will be accepted and included to portage, so maintained by developers (big thanks for this). If I have to take care of package + ebuild +

Re: [gentoo-dev] Making dobin, doexe, doins, doman, dodoc die by default

2006-07-12 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: On Wed, Jul 12, 2006 at 11:11:01PM +0200, Jakub Moc wrote: Uh... Sorry but it's pretty hard to imagine something more annoying than an ebuild that dies after a couple of hours compile just because upstream decided to rename Changelog.txt to ChangeLog.txt and noone

Re: [gentoo-dev] Modular X unported packages

2006-07-11 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Donnie Berkholz wrote: With the help of Brian Harring, we've now got a check for unported packages. It indicates 207 unported packages, of which 93 can potentially be fixed by stabilizing newer versions and pulling unported ebuilds from the tree. Having fun again here ... I've made a list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Dying on some CFLAGS instead of filtering them.

2006-07-10 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Richard Fish wrote: I have to say I dislike allowing this backdoor method to set CFLAGS, as they won't show up in emerge --info or emerge -pv pkg. You'd have to see the actual build output to see the nasty flags, which you might not even think to ask for if a package builds fine but crashes

[gentoo-dev] Modular X unported packages

2006-07-10 Thread Donnie Berkholz
With the help of Brian Harring, we've now got a check for unported packages. It indicates 207 unported packages, of which 93 can potentially be fixed by stabilizing newer versions and pulling unported ebuilds from the tree. I've uploaded the list [1]. Run `grep potentially

Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage: missing pieces

2006-07-06 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Molle Bestefich wrote: Ok, so status is that I have xorg-x11-7.0, I don't have 6.9, no packages actually wants xorg-x11-6.9, but whenever I use emerge -D world, Portage sees it as a blocker anyway. Is there a piece missing in this puzzle, in particular the one that will tell me why on earth

Re: [gentoo-dev] Replacing cpu-feature USE flags

2006-07-06 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: On Thursday 06 July 2006 13:40, Donnie Berkholz wrote: How will you handle non-gcc compilers? We don't support any, to start with. But ICC I'm pretty sure behaves like GCC, and whatever else we'd go by supporting should likely do the same. But again, we

Re: [gentoo-dev] Replacing cpu-feature USE flags

2006-07-06 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Ned Ludd wrote: On Thu, 2006-07-06 at 04:40 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote: Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: echo | $(tc-getCC) ${CFLAGS} -dM -E - 2/dev/null Thoughts? Comments? How will you handle non-gcc compilers? Non gcc compilers have never been supported and probably never

Re: [gentoo-dev] arch-cruft in use.mask makes me angry

2006-07-05 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Mike Frysinger wrote: can someone remind me why our arch USE flags are in an opt-out system rather than opt-in ? instead of adding things like: dmi icc mmx svga ... to every non-x86 profile, why dont we mask these things in base/use.mask and then un-mask them in default-linux/x86 ?

Re: [gentoo-dev] SpanKY's Nominations for the Gentoo Council 2007

2006-07-05 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Curtis Napier wrote: Two names I see missing from this (otherwise very good) list are Chris Gianelloni (wolf31o2) and Donnie Berkholz (spyderous aka dberkholz). I think everyone knows exactly how much work these two put into Gentoo and how valuable that contribution is. Their knowledge would

Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2007

2006-07-05 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Mike Frysinger wrote: well it's about that time of the year ... time for nominating people for the next Gentoo Council for the quick low down: - nominations are from July 1 through July 31 - anyone can nominate - only Gentoo devs may be nominated so get with the nominating

Re: [gentoo-dev] pkg_nofetch: $A vs. $SRC_URI

2006-07-04 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Robin H. Johnson wrote: When FEATURES=mirror, and you try to fetch, it does indeed contain unevaluated USE flags. However for FEATURES=-mirror, the content of it is correct - no USE flags at all. Maybe a two-part solution is in order here then: 1. Change portage behavior regarding the value

Re: [gentoo-dev] init.d problem

2006-07-04 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Enrico Weigelt wrote: Hi folks, maybe I've found a problem in the init.d stuff: It seems that /var/lib/init.d/started/* is blindly trusted, instead of actually checking if some service is running. For example, ntpd cannot be restarted via its init.d script if it died for some reason -

Re: [gentoo-dev] pkg_nofetch: $A vs. $SRC_URI

2006-07-03 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Robin H. Johnson wrote: If you have an ebuild with a non-standard pkg_nofetch, please ensure that you use $SRC_URI instead of $A! This is because if you have FEATURES=mirror or FEATURES=cvs, attempts to download all of the source files for digesting or verification will hit pkg_nofetch and

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: gentoo-dev-announce list

2006-07-01 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Ryan Hill wrote: Donnie Berkholz wrote: My options are either missing important announcements or creating this list. I would prefer the list. What important announcements are you expecting to find at the bottom 50-100 posts of random relevance? The announcements are at the top, being

Re: [gentoo-dev] Scientific Gentoo reorg: lets get it moving

2006-07-01 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Luis Medinas wrote: There's a problem with this. A few packages i listed could be part of sci-crystallography too. If we start this new category we should had a few more related packages otherwise we will have this category empty. Another thing is who is really insterested in creating this

Re: [gentoo-dev] Modular X (7.0) stable on x86

2006-06-30 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Donnie Berkholz wrote: I encourage other architectures to stabilize modular X. AMD64, you will want to go with 7.0 because you also have binary drivers. All other archs will want to go with 7.1. The modular X package list [2] will help with this. - I'm offering to stable any interested arch

Re: [gentoo-dev] Modular X (7.0) stable on x86

2006-06-30 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Donnie Berkholz wrote: - If you stable your own arch, please also keyword xev and luit in addition to the various deps of virtual/x11, xorg-x11 and xorg-server. One other thing I forgot to mention -- stable xproto 7.0.5, not 7.0.7. stable: libX11 1.0.1 = xproto 7.0.5 ~arch: libX11 1.0.3

Re: [gentoo-dev] Modular X (7.0) stable on x86

2006-06-30 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Wernfried Haas wrote: earlier today i updated my box (without reading the guide because i haven't gotten this mail yet), and apart from one problem because of not deleting some files as mentioned in the guide, all went fine. I also noticed (and someone correct me if i'm wrong here) the smart

Re: [gentoo-dev] Modular X (7.0) stable on x86

2006-06-30 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Thomas Cort wrote: On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:28:30 -0700 Donnie Berkholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - I'm offering to stable any interested arch for 7.1. PPC, SPARC and MIPS have already taken me up on this. I will be starting this very soon (within 2 hours at most), so respond ASAP if you would

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list

2006-06-27 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Stuart Herbert wrote: On 6/25/06, Donnie Berkholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This topic has come up in the past, and I'd like to revive it once again. The gentoo-dev list has gotten a lower and lower signal to noise ratio over the past year or two, and it's difficult to dig out the stuff that's

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list

2006-06-26 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Chris Gianelloni wrote: - Create a new list (gentoo-core-announce ?) Reading: dev-only Posting: dev-only, reply-to set to gentoo-core This is the reference list of things (policy, decisions and discussions in progress) all developers must know about. Agree with -(core|dev)-announce. - Keep

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage by gentoo-java's doing migration work

2006-06-25 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Simon Stelling wrote: Right. So you agree with the intention, but not with the wording. This is exactly what I'm after. At least here in Europe, judges have to 'interprete' the law. They judge whether somebody is guilty or not based on the _intentions_ that are behind the law. If the law has

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo/PPC meeting summary

2006-06-25 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Lars Weiler wrote: Another upgrade for 2006.1 might be Xorg-7.1. ppc does not rely on any binary-driver which is affected by the ABI-change. This version of X has been tested by several developers and found to be stable. But we need to check Donnie's opinion about that move. A

Re: [gentoo-dev] [experiment] Sunrise try 2

2006-06-24 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Luca Barbato wrote: Edward Catmur wrote: Critic 4 * Conflicts between contributors (social): Alice adds an ebuild; Bob makes a (maybe obvious) change; Alice thinks the change is incorrect, and, feeling that the ebuild is her property, reverts the change. A revert war erupts. Many casualties.

[gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list

2006-06-24 Thread Donnie Berkholz
This topic has come up in the past, and I'd like to revive it once again. The gentoo-dev list has gotten a lower and lower signal to noise ratio over the past year or two, and it's difficult to dig out the stuff that's truly required reading. I propose that all need-to-know announcements and

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list

2006-06-24 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Ned Ludd wrote: I would be in favor of a gentoo-dev-announce list if it allowed me to unsubscribe from this list. Sure, if you want to just accept any decisions rather than participate in making them. The -dev-announce list should be for finalized decisions. It should be too late to dispute

Re: [gentoo-dev] sunrise, a temporary compromise

2006-06-23 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Mike Doty wrote: It is devrels place to attempt to stop the fighting. This is what I did. I clearly indicate that this is temporary and when the council is willing to clear this nonsense up, it will supersede anything I put forth yesterday. I agree that it is devrel's place to help people

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage for overlays' projects [was: sunrise, a temporary compromise]

2006-06-23 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Joshua Nichols wrote: Umm maybe it's just to early in the morning, but I don't see anything in the logs regarding using bugzilla for overlays not on overlays.gentoo.org. I only see references to sunrise specifically, not a blanket statement for all non-overlays.gentoo.org overlays Or

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage for overlays' projects [was: sunrise, a temporary compromise]

2006-06-23 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Alec Warner wrote: I believe that jakub finds this devrel decision a step out of bounds (not sure if anyone else detected the that in his statement) and saying that to the java folks is moreso a way of pointing out just how silly it is :) I mean if he was serious, he would have addressed the

Re: [gentoo-dev] VNC packages need your help [pre-emptive last rites]

2006-06-22 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Mike Frysinger wrote: On Thursday 22 June 2006 00:54, Alec Warner wrote: Specifically net-misc/vnc i'll fix this up if no one else does since it is a pretty friggin critical package for too many people (myself included), but i'd really really prefer someone else to do it Not really,

Re: [gentoo-dev] sunrise, a temporary compromise

2006-06-22 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Mike Doty wrote: All- We've had a discussion about sunrise and have reached a compromise. Someone will summarize it later, I've attached the raw logs for now. Until the council makes a firm decision about non-gentoo hosted overlays, this will be the defining method of dealing with them.

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-21 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Kevin F. Quinn wrote: On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:14:08 -0700 Donnie Berkholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike Owen wrote: From this user's perspective, simple is better. qt3 and qt4 as use flags are completely and utterly obvious as to what they mean, and there is no confusion about them. Adding

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-21 Thread Donnie Berkholz
George Shapovalov wrote: середа, 21. червень 2006 03:46, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò Ви написали: On Wednesday 21 June 2006 03:34, Donnie Berkholz wrote: OK, so we can add qt3 to make.defaults. -* says nothing to you? :) Now I am confused: My understanding of that proposal was that qt3

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-21 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Kevin F. Quinn wrote: The goal is to avoid a double-flag combo to do a single thing. qt always and only affects the _best_ available qt interface for that package. qt# affects only _older_ available qt interfaces for that package. OK; so with this we're not providing a way to get an only

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-21 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Stefan Schweizer wrote: Why you ask? Because a user does not care if packageX uses qt3 or qt4, he just wants to use it. But why do we have two useflags then? Because the user should be able to disable optional support for either qt3 or qt4 or both for every package. There's a significant

Re: [gentoo-dev] GWN Comments

2006-06-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Josh Saddler wrote: With all the talk about forums and comments, that got me thinking: Heck, why not just have it posted to the forums? That way it and the comments can be viewed by the general public, but if you want to comment, you can just use your existing forum account. No additional

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 03:11:38PM -0400, Caleb Tennis wrote: I would personally like to stay with just the qt use flag. The use flag will be for support of whichever version of Qt is supported (v3 or v4) for the particular emerge. I would like a single 'qt' USE

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Kevin F. Quinn wrote: Problems with having 'qt' to mean latest and 'qt3' as specifically version 3 include: 1) Target package depends on build system (assuming 'qt' is interpreted as 'qt3' if only that is installed, rather than pulling in qt4 if not already present). What? There will still

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Mike Owen wrote: From this user's perspective, simple is better. qt3 and qt4 as use flags are completely and utterly obvious as to what they mean, and there is no confusion about them. Adding a plain qt flag in there brings back the gtk/gtk2 mess that we've presumably been trying to avoid in

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: On Wednesday 21 June 2006 00:52, Donnie Berkholz wrote: Yes, you will need to introduce a qt4 flag as upstreams port packages to qt5, if they choose to also retain a qt4 frontend. You're trying to compare gtk to qt directly. They are not the same. gtk regards

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: On Wednesday 21 June 2006 02:12, Donnie Berkholz wrote: I disagree with this and agree with Caleb's earlier suggestion. Presumably he has some clue what he's talking about when it comes to qt. I suppose he has, that does not mean that I don't have any at all

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: I am talking about qt. Maybe I wasn't clear enough, I was thinking of KDE users, that are, casually, the main users of Qt-related stuff. In this particular issue, KDE (3) users are the main part, they need poppler and other stuff built for Qt 3. There are

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: On Wednesday 21 June 2006 03:34, Donnie Berkholz wrote: OK, so we can add qt3 to make.defaults. Firulì Firulà (sounds of whistling in Italy at least) -* says nothing to you? :) Sure it does, but -* has always been unsupported and users are on their own

Re: [gentoo-dev] variable quoting, setting optional variables to , and depending on virtual/libc

2006-06-16 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Thomas Cort wrote: What is the proper quoting style for using epatch? In the tree there are about 3 different styles... epatch ${FILESDIR}/some-fix.patch # used by 7326 ebuilds epatch ${FILESDIR}/some-fix.patch# used by 3092 ebuilds epatch

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: A heretical thought? Blessing project sunrise as an almost-fork.

2006-06-14 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Dan Meltzer wrote: According to the devmanual [1] A herd is a collection of developers who maintain a collection of related packages are you sure you are using the correct term? [1] http://devmanual.gentoo.org/general-concepts/herds-and-projects/index.html I guess it needs to get fixed,

Re: [gentoo-dev] A heretical thought? Blessing project sunrise as an almost-fork.

2006-06-13 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: As I've said all along - I do not have any problems with Project Sunrise. I have a problem with it being an official project hosted on *.gentoo.org, as I fear most users will think hey, it's official, it's hosted on *.gentoo.org - it can't be that bad. Judging from

[gentoo-dev] Gentoo conference?

2006-06-12 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Last year right after LWE August, Corey set up a 1-day Gentoo developer conference. Is anyone who's attending LWE going to pick up the ball, now that he's gone? Much of the information is supposedly on the devwiki [1], but it's somewhat broken right now. The infra folks are working on fixing that

Re: [gentoo-dev] virtual/x11-7* hides real bugs and breaks good ebuilds

2006-06-11 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Jakub Moc wrote: Donnie, pingy! ;) Just a friendly reminder to run the script again, so that we can do a last attempt on fixing the remaining stuff before resorting to more drastic solutions... Yeah, it's on my list, but I've got family here all weekend so no time to work on stuff. Thanks,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise -- Proposal

2006-06-11 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: While I do think this proposal is much better than the previous non-existing proposal, it still doesn't address the problem of having the sunrise overlay hosted on a non *.gentoo.org address to make it 100% clear to the public that it is unsupported. It's no more

Re: [gentoo-dev] July Council Meeting: Requested Agenda Item

2006-06-11 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: On Sat, Jun 10, 2006 at 01:13:36PM +0100, Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: To take an example, there were made up quotes in my GWN interview, however, nothing of great harm. I believe that time it was a case of attempting to make it more fun, it is however a worrying

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise thread -- a try of clarification

2006-06-09 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Chris Gianelloni wrote: With an overlay: search sunrice.gentoo.org for the package (no, I don't know category/name), sync that directory (no, I'm not syncing the whole sunrice tree), check it over, note some mistakes, compile it if I feel OK with it, it fails, I fix it - and what then? Where

Re: [gentoo-dev] client+server packages - build which one?

2006-06-09 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Chris Gianelloni wrote: The truth is that we don't ever want to become like the binary distributions. We don't want to have to have separate client/server/common/devel as it removes many of the advantages that Gentoo has. The default should *always* be to install the package as it was

Re: [gentoo-dev] client+server packages - build which one?

2006-06-09 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Chris Gianelloni wrote: Not policy (I don't think) but current accepted practice. Should this become a policy? I'd say so, since this discussion regularly comes up again, and how we do it is really an expression of the Gentoo philosophy and our differences from a typical binary distribution.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise thread -- a try of clarification

2006-06-09 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Chris Gianelloni wrote: Initially, yes. What happens once the user gets complete access to the repository, though? Are we going to be keeping people from adding packages without bugs? Absolutely. This is for maintainer-wanted stuff, so it should be documented in Bugzilla and assigned to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise thread -- a try of clarification

2006-06-09 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Chris Gianelloni wrote: Since when was overlays.gentoo.org supposed to even be a service to our users? As I understand it, the goal was to ease development, not to provide an easy method for half-working ebuilds to make it to our user's machines. Our users are our biggest base of testers,

Re: [gentoo-dev] fix binary debug support, part elevenity billion + 1

2006-06-08 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Ned Ludd wrote: -for conf in ${PN}-${PV}-${PR} ${PN}-${PV} ${PN}; do +for conf in default ${PN}-${PV}-${PR} ${PN}-${PV} ${PN}; do Call it 'default' ? Switch the order around so it's 'default PN PN-PV PN-PV-PR' -- that way you can have a package-specific setting, and override it for specific

Re: [gentoo-dev] fix binary debug support, part elevenity billion + 1

2006-06-08 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Ned Ludd wrote: On Thu, 2006-06-08 at 07:49 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote: Ned Ludd wrote: -for conf in ${PN}-${PV}-${PR} ${PN}-${PV} ${PN}; do +for conf in default ${PN}-${PV}-${PR} ${PN}-${PV} ${PN}; do Call it 'default' ? Switch the order around so it's 'default PN PN-PV PN-PV-PR

Re: [gentoo-dev] eselect-compiler updates and unmasking

2006-06-08 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Jeremy Huddleston wrote: I finally had a few free cycles, so I fixed up the eselect-compiler ebuild to better handle the transition from gcc-config and updated toolchain.eclass to better work with multilib. I've had a bunch of help from the amd64 devs/testers/users this past week testing it

Re: [gentoo-dev] eselect-compiler updates and unmasking

2006-06-08 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Donnie Berkholz wrote: This aliases g77 to gfortran and gfortran to g77. They are entirely different compilers and do not accept all the same options. This is incredibly broken behavior, it masks issues in a number of packages and creates new issues in many others. Please fix it. It also

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise thread -- a try of clarification

2006-06-08 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Chris Gianelloni wrote: No, but the ebuilds are also checked by the team in question, that actually knows the packages, versus a couple of developers that will be overworked, dealing with packages that they are completely unfamiliar with and have no experience with. I just don't see the two

Re: [gentoo-dev] virtual/x11-7* hides real bugs and breaks good ebuilds

2006-06-07 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Jakub Moc wrote: =virtual/x11-7 is hiding breakage in ebuilds that are not ported for modular X. I couldn't agree more, but I was forced to add this rather than allow unported ebuilds to break. Thanks, Donnie signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] virtual/x11-7* hides real bugs and breaks good ebuilds

2006-06-07 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Jakub Moc wrote: Olivier Crete wrote: Is there a recent list of non-ported packages ? Maybe we should do a last effort to port everything for a week or two and then package.mask the packages that no one cares enough about to port them. Hmmm, not a up2date one, AFAIK... There's a tracker bug

Re: [gentoo-dev] eselect-compiler updates and unmasking

2006-06-02 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Jeremy Huddleston wrote: I finally had a few free cycles, so I fixed up the eselect-compiler ebuild to better handle the transition from gcc-config and updated toolchain.eclass to better work with multilib. I've had a bunch of help from the amd64 devs/testers/users this past week testing it

Re: [gentoo-dev] xextproto, what to do

2006-05-30 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Andrew Gaffney wrote: Rakotomandimby Mihamina wrote: Hi, I am trying to install qemu and kqemu, and I run into a problem: This is a question for the gentoo-user mailing list. Didn't you notice, he cross-posted to there as well as personally emailing me. Not something likely to make anybody

Re: [gentoo-dev] Summer of Code students and Planet Gentoo

2006-05-28 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: The worry there was whether it would create controversy if they were hosted with other developer blogs, so we figured we'd host the actual blogs off-site (should irk less people, although presumably most will already have external blogs already) and just aggregate

[gentoo-dev] [ANNOUNCE] New eselect modules for blas, cblas, lapack

2006-05-25 Thread Donnie Berkholz
With great pleasure, I announce the testing release of new eselect modules for BLAS, CBLAS and LAPACK implementations. You may say, But we already have 'eselect blas' and 'eselect lapack,' Donnie! What are you thinking? In reply, I would say, The current eselect modules have many limitations. One

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving virtual/eject to new-style virtual

2006-05-23 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Ned Ludd wrote: On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 12:38 +0200, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: So, right now virtual/eject is the old-style virtual that gets listed in virtuals file in the profiles, defaulting to sys-apps/eject that is Linux only. Please refrain from adding any new(bad) style

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving virtual/eject to new-style virtual

2006-05-23 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Harald van Dijk wrote: How does it help? New-style virtuals have several disadvantages, and the usual advantages of new-style virtuals don't apply here. If it actually provides real benefits, then no objections from me, but how is this easier to maintain than a virtual/eject sys-block/unieject

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving virtual/eject to new-style virtual

2006-05-23 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Harald van Dijk wrote: can't block themselves when only one may be installed at a time, This is the one that really annoys me. New-style virtuals are supposed to make things so easy, but you end up having a ton of crap added to each provider to block all the others. Thanks, Donnie

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed package move

2006-05-23 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Mike Frysinger wrote: On Thursday 18 May 2006 06:41, Paul de Vrieze wrote: The package sys-apps/paludis is in the wrong category. It is a package manager on par with rpm, dpkg, etc. Those live in app-arch. app-arch is for things that manage archives paludis is much more than an archive

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