Re: [gentoo-dev] SpanKY's Nominations for the Gentoo Council 2007

2006-07-05 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Curtis Napier wrote: > Two names I see missing from this (otherwise very good) list are Chris > Gianelloni (wolf31o2) and Donnie Berkholz (spyderous aka dberkholz). I > think everyone knows exactly how much work these two put into Gentoo and > how valuable that contribution is. The

Re: [gentoo-dev] arch-cruft in use.mask makes me angry

2006-07-05 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Mike Frysinger wrote: > can someone remind me why our arch USE flags are in an "opt-out" system > rather > than "opt-in" ? instead of adding things like: > dmi > icc > mmx > svga > ... > > to every non-x86 profile, why dont we mask these things in base/use.mask and > then un-mask them in defau

Re: [gentoo-dev] init.d problem

2006-07-04 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Enrico Weigelt wrote: > Hi folks, > > maybe I've found a problem in the init.d stuff: > > It seems that /var/lib/init.d/started/* is blindly trusted, > instead of actually checking if some service is running. > > For example, ntpd cannot be restarted via its init.d script > if it died for some

Re: [gentoo-dev] pkg_nofetch: $A vs. $SRC_URI

2006-07-04 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Robin H. Johnson wrote: > When FEATURES=mirror, and you try to fetch, it does indeed contain unevaluated > USE flags. However for FEATURES=-mirror, the content of it is correct - no USE > flags at all. > > Maybe a two-part solution is in order here then: > 1. Change portage behavior regarding the

Re: [gentoo-dev] pkg_nofetch: $A vs. $SRC_URI

2006-07-03 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Robin H. Johnson wrote: > If you have an ebuild with a non-standard pkg_nofetch, please ensure > that you use $SRC_URI instead of $A! > > This is because if you have FEATURES=mirror or FEATURES=cvs, attempts to > download all of the source files for digesting or verification will hit > pkg_nofetch

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-science] Scientific Gentoo reorg: on herd naming

2006-07-01 Thread Donnie Berkholz
George Shapovalov wrote: > The herd naming issue has surfaced in more detail again - there were already > two comments that it is beneficial to keep -sci in herd names. I originally > suggested that we drop it (and in general go with a "catchier" names), but > now it looks like I am slowly turni

Re: [gentoo-dev] Scientific Gentoo reorg: lets get it moving

2006-07-01 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Luis Medinas wrote: > There's a problem with this. A few packages i listed could be part of > sci-crystallography too. If we start this new category we should had a > few more related packages otherwise we will have this category empty. > Another thing is who is really insterested in creating this

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: gentoo-dev-announce list

2006-07-01 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Ryan Hill wrote: > Donnie Berkholz wrote: > >> My options are either missing important announcements or creating this >> list. I would prefer the list. > > What important announcements are you expecting to find at the bottom 50-100 > posts of random relevance? The a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Modular X (7.0) stable on x86

2006-06-30 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Thomas Cort wrote: > On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:28:30 -0700 > Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> - I'm offering to stable any interested arch for 7.1. PPC, SPARC and >> MIPS have already taken me up on this. I will be starting this very soon >> (within 2

Re: [gentoo-dev] Modular X (7.0) stable on x86

2006-06-30 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Wernfried Haas wrote: > earlier today i updated my box (without reading the guide because i > haven't gotten this mail yet), and apart from one problem because of > not deleting some files as mentioned in the guide, all went fine. > I also noticed (and someone correct me if i'm wrong here) the smar

Re: [gentoo-dev] Modular X (7.0) stable on x86

2006-06-30 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Donnie Berkholz wrote: > - If you stable your own arch, please also keyword xev and luit in > addition to the various deps of virtual/x11, xorg-x11 and xorg-server. One other thing I forgot to mention -- stable xproto 7.0.5, not 7.0.7. stable: libX11 1.0.1 = xproto 7.0.5 ~arch: libX11

Re: [gentoo-dev] Modular X (7.0) stable on x86

2006-06-30 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Donnie Berkholz wrote: > I encourage other architectures to stabilize modular X. AMD64, you will > want to go with 7.0 because you also have binary drivers. All other > archs will want to go with 7.1. The modular X package list [2] will help > with this. - I'm offering to stab

[gentoo-dev] Modular X (7.0) stable on x86

2006-06-30 Thread Donnie Berkholz
I've just spent the past few hours stabilizing modular X.Org 7.0 on x86. This is a reminder of the migration guide [1] and a guide to other arches on how to stabilize it. I have not stabilized most optional packages, instead preferring to wait for any requests to see whether demand exists for them.

Re: [gentoo-dev] GCC 4.1.1 testing/stablization and glibc 2.4

2006-06-27 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Chris Gianelloni wrote: > OK, guys, I was speaking with vapier earlier about the possibility of > getting gcc 4.1.1 stable for the 2006.1 release. We've managed to build > some release media with it, and are planning on doing more testing with > it. What we really need is for more people to test

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list

2006-06-27 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Stuart Herbert wrote: > On 6/25/06, Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> This topic has come up in the past, and I'd like to revive it once >> again. The gentoo-dev list has gotten a lower and lower signal to noise >> ratio over the past year or two, a

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list

2006-06-26 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Chris Gianelloni wrote: > - Create a new list ("gentoo-core-announce" ?) > Reading: dev-only > Posting: dev-only, reply-to set to gentoo-core > This is the reference list of things (policy, decisions and discussions > in progress) all developers must know about. Agree with -(core|dev)-announce. >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo/PPC meeting summary

2006-06-25 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Lars Weiler wrote: > Another upgrade for 2006.1 might be Xorg-7.1. ppc does not > rely on any binary-driver which is affected by the > ABI-change. This version of X has been tested by several > developers and found to be stable. But we need to check > Donnie's opinion about that move. > > A pro

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list

2006-06-25 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Lars Weiler wrote: > * Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [06/06/24 20:06 -0700]: >> I propose that all need-to-know announcements and decisions be posted to >> a separate, moderated (or restricted posting) gentoo-dev-announce list >> to ensure that no developers lose t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage by gentoo-java's doing migration work

2006-06-25 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Simon Stelling wrote: > Right. So you agree with the intention, but not with the wording. This > is exactly what I'm after. At least here in Europe, judges have to > 'interprete' the law. They judge whether somebody is guilty or not based > on the _intentions_ that are behind the law. If the law ha

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list

2006-06-24 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Ned Ludd wrote: > I would be in favor of a gentoo-dev-announce list if it allowed me > to unsubscribe from this list. Sure, if you want to just accept any decisions rather than participate in making them. The -dev-announce list should be for finalized decisions. It should be too late to dispute

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list

2006-06-24 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Lance Albertson wrote: > Outside if this being more centered around dev-only announcements, could > the current -announce list suffice? I'd hate to need to subscribe to > yet-another-announcement-list (or make our developers/users). Our > -announce list certainly has the historical presence where t

[gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list

2006-06-24 Thread Donnie Berkholz
This topic has come up in the past, and I'd like to revive it once again. The gentoo-dev list has gotten a lower and lower signal to noise ratio over the past year or two, and it's difficult to dig out the stuff that's truly required reading. I propose that all need-to-know announcements and decis

Re: [gentoo-dev] [experiment] Sunrise try 2

2006-06-24 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Luca Barbato wrote: > Edward Catmur wrote: > Critic 4 >> * Conflicts between contributors (social): Alice adds an ebuild; Bob >> makes a (maybe "obvious") change; Alice thinks the change is incorrect, >> and, feeling that the ebuild is her property, reverts the change. A >> revert war erupts. Many

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage for overlays' projects [was: sunrise, a temporary compromise]

2006-06-23 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Alec Warner wrote: > I believe that jakub finds this devrel decision a step out of bounds > (not sure if anyone else detected the that in his statement) and saying > that to the java folks is moreso a way of pointing out just how silly it > is :) I mean if he was serious, he would have addressed t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage for overlays' projects [was: sunrise, a temporary compromise]

2006-06-23 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Joshua Nichols wrote: > Umm maybe it's just to early in the morning, but I don't see > anything in the logs regarding using bugzilla for overlays not on > overlays.gentoo.org. I only see references to sunrise specifically, not > a blanket statement for all non-overlays.gentoo.org overlays > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] sunrise, a temporary compromise

2006-06-23 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Mike Doty wrote: > It is devrels place to attempt to stop the fighting. This is what I > did. I clearly indicate that this is temporary and when the council is > willing to clear this nonsense up, it will supersede anything I put > forth yesterday. I agree that it is devrel's place to help peopl

Re: [gentoo-dev] sunrise, a temporary compromise

2006-06-22 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Mike Doty wrote: > All- > > We've had a discussion about sunrise and have reached a compromise. > Someone will summarize it later, I've attached the raw logs for now. > Until the council makes a firm decision about non-gentoo hosted > overlays, this will be the defining method of dealing with them

Re: [gentoo-dev] VNC packages need your help [pre-emptive last rites]

2006-06-21 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Thursday 22 June 2006 00:54, Alec Warner wrote: >> Specifically net-misc/vnc > > i'll fix this up if no one else does since it is a pretty friggin critical > package for too many people (myself included), but i'd really really prefer > someone else to do it Not really

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-21 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Stefan Schweizer wrote: > Why you ask? Because a user does not care if packageX uses qt3 or qt4, he > just wants to use it. > > But why do we have two useflags then? > Because the user should be able to disable optional support for either qt3 > or qt4 or both for every package. There's a signific

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-21 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Kevin F. Quinn wrote: >> The goal is to avoid a double-flag combo to do a single thing. "qt" >> always and only affects the _best_ available qt interface for that >> package. "qt#" affects only _older_ available qt interfaces for that >> package. > > OK; so with this we're not providing a way to g

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-21 Thread Donnie Berkholz
George Shapovalov wrote: > середа, 21. червень 2006 03:46, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò Ви написали: >> On Wednesday 21 June 2006 03:34, Donnie Berkholz wrote: >>> OK, so we can add qt3 to make.defaults. >> -* says nothing to you? :) > Now I am confused: > My

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Kevin F. Quinn wrote: > On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:14:08 -0700 > Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Mike Owen wrote: >>> From this user's perspective, simple is better. qt3 and qt4 as use >>> flags are completely and utterly obvious as to w

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: > On Wednesday 21 June 2006 03:34, Donnie Berkholz wrote: >> OK, so we can add qt3 to make.defaults. > Firulì Firulà (sounds of whistling in Italy at least) > > -* says nothing to you? :) Sure it does, but -* has always been unsupporte

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: > I am talking about qt. Maybe I wasn't clear enough, I was thinking of KDE > users, that are, casually, the main users of Qt-related stuff. > > In this particular issue, KDE (3) users are the main part, they need poppler > and other stuff built for Qt 3. There a

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: > On Wednesday 21 June 2006 02:12, Donnie Berkholz wrote: >> I disagree with this and agree with Caleb's earlier suggestion. >> Presumably he has some clue what he's talking about when it comes to qt. > I suppose he has, that

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: > On Wednesday 21 June 2006 00:52, Donnie Berkholz wrote: >> Yes, you will need to introduce a qt4 flag as upstreams >> port packages to qt5, if they choose to also retain a qt4 frontend. > You're trying to compare gtk to qt direc

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Mike Owen wrote: > From this user's perspective, simple is better. qt3 and qt4 as use > flags are completely and utterly obvious as to what they mean, and > there is no confusion about them. Adding a plain qt flag in there > brings back the gtk/gtk2 mess that we've presumably been trying to > avoid

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Kevin F. Quinn wrote: > Problems with having 'qt' to mean latest and 'qt3' as specifically > version 3 include: > > 1) Target package depends on build system (assuming 'qt' is interpreted > as 'qt3' if only that is installed, rather than pulling in qt4 if not > already present). What? There will

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: > On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 03:11:38PM -0400, Caleb Tennis wrote: >> I would personally like to stay with just the "qt" use flag. The use flag >> will be for support of whichever version of Qt is supported (v3 or v4) for >> the particular emerge. > > I would like a singl

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Caleb Tennis wrote: >> Currently we are at 4), should we change anything? > > My proposal: > > I would personally like to stay with just the "qt" use flag. The use flag > will be for support of whichever version of Qt is supported (v3 or v4) for > the particular emerge. > > In the cases where m

Re: [gentoo-dev] GWN Comments

2006-06-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Josh Saddler wrote: > With all the talk about forums and comments, that got me thinking: Heck, why > not > just have it posted to the forums? That way it and the comments can be viewed > by > the general public, but if you want to comment, you can just use your existing > forum account. No additi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo conference?

2006-06-18 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Donnie Berkholz wrote: > Last year right after LWE August, Corey set up a 1-day Gentoo developer > conference. Is anyone who's attending LWE going to pick up the ball, now > that he's gone? > > Much of the information is supposedly on the devwiki [1], but it's &g

Re: [gentoo-dev] variable quoting, setting optional variables to "", and depending on virtual/libc

2006-06-16 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Thomas Cort wrote: > What is the proper quoting style for using epatch? In the tree there > are about 3 different styles... > > epatch ${FILESDIR}/some-fix.patch # used by 7326 ebuilds > epatch "${FILESDIR}"/some-fix.patch# used by 3092 ebuilds > epatch "${FILESDIR}/some

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: A heretical thought? Blessing project sunrise as an almost-fork.

2006-06-14 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Dan Meltzer wrote: > According to the devmanual [1] > "A herd is a collection of developers who maintain a collection of > related packages" > > are you sure you are using the correct term? > > [1] > http://devmanual.gentoo.org/general-concepts/herds-and-projects/index.html I guess it needs to g

Re: [gentoo-dev] A heretical thought? Blessing project sunrise as an almost-fork.

2006-06-13 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: > As I've said all along - I do not have any problems with Project > Sunrise. I have a problem with it being an official project hosted on > *.gentoo.org, as I fear most users will think "hey, it's official, > it's hosted on *.gentoo.org - it can't be that bad". Judging

[gentoo-dev] Gentoo conference?

2006-06-12 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Last year right after LWE August, Corey set up a 1-day Gentoo developer conference. Is anyone who's attending LWE going to pick up the ball, now that he's gone? Much of the information is supposedly on the devwiki [1], but it's somewhat broken right now. The infra folks are working on fixing that

Re: [gentoo-dev] July Council Meeting: Requested Agenda Item

2006-06-11 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: > On Sat, Jun 10, 2006 at 01:13:36PM +0100, Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: >> To take an example, there were made up quotes in my GWN interview, >> however, nothing of great harm. I believe that time it was a case of >> attempting to make it more fun, it is however a worryin

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise -- Proposal

2006-06-11 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: > While I do think this proposal is much better than the previous > non-existing proposal, it still doesn't address the problem of having > the sunrise overlay hosted on a non *.gentoo.org address to make it > 100% clear to the public that it is unsupported. It's no mor

Re: [gentoo-dev] virtual/x11-7* hides real bugs and breaks good ebuilds

2006-06-11 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Jakub Moc wrote: > Donnie, pingy! ;) Just a friendly reminder to run the script again, so > that we can do a last attempt on fixing the remaining stuff before > resorting to more drastic solutions... Yeah, it's on my list, but I've got family here all weekend so no time to work on stuff. Thanks,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise thread -- a try of clarification

2006-06-09 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Chris Gianelloni wrote: > Since when was overlays.gentoo.org supposed to even be a service to our > users? As I understand it, the goal was to ease development, not to > provide an easy method for half-working ebuilds to make it to our user's > machines. Our users are our biggest base of testers,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise thread -- a try of clarification

2006-06-09 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Chris Gianelloni wrote: > Initially, yes. What happens once the user gets complete access to the > repository, though? Are we going to be keeping people from adding > packages without bugs? Absolutely. This is for maintainer-wanted stuff, so it should be documented in Bugzilla and assigned to ma

Re: [gentoo-dev] client+server packages - build which one?

2006-06-09 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Chris Gianelloni wrote: > Not policy (I don't think) but current accepted practice. > > Should this become a policy? I'd say so, since this discussion regularly comes up again, and how we do it is really an expression of the Gentoo philosophy and our differences from a typical binary distribution

Re: [gentoo-dev] client+server packages - build which one?

2006-06-09 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Chris Gianelloni wrote: > The truth is that we don't ever want to become like the binary > distributions. We don't want to have to have separate > client/server/common/devel as it removes many of the advantages that > Gentoo has. The default should *always* be to install the package as it > was i

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise thread -- a try of clarification

2006-06-09 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Chris Gianelloni wrote: >> With an overlay: search sunrice.gentoo.org for the package (no, I don't >> know category/name), sync that directory (no, I'm not syncing the whole >> sunrice tree), check it over, note some mistakes, compile it if I feel >> OK with it, it fails, I fix it - and what then?

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise thread -- a try of clarification

2006-06-08 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Chris Gianelloni wrote: > No, but the ebuilds are also checked by the team in question, that > actually knows the packages, versus a couple of developers that will be > overworked, dealing with packages that they are completely unfamiliar > with and have no experience with. I just don't see the tw

Re: [gentoo-dev] eselect-compiler updates and unmasking

2006-06-08 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Donnie Berkholz wrote: > This aliases g77 to gfortran and gfortran to g77. They are entirely > different compilers and do not accept all the same options. This is > incredibly broken behavior, it masks issues in a number of packages and > creates new issues in many others. Please fix

Re: [gentoo-dev] eselect-compiler updates and unmasking

2006-06-08 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Jeremy Huddleston wrote: > I finally had a few free cycles, so I fixed up the eselect-compiler > ebuild to better handle the transition from gcc-config and updated > toolchain.eclass to better work with multilib. I've had a bunch of help > from the amd64 devs/testers/users this past week testing i

Re: [gentoo-dev] fix binary debug support, part elevenity billion + 1

2006-06-08 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Ned Ludd wrote: > On Thu, 2006-06-08 at 07:49 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote: >> Ned Ludd wrote: >>> -for conf in ${PN}-${PV}-${PR} ${PN}-${PV} ${PN}; do >>> +for conf in default ${PN}-${PV}-${PR} ${PN}-${PV} ${PN}; do >>> >>> Call it 'default'

Re: [gentoo-dev] fix binary debug support, part elevenity billion + 1

2006-06-08 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Ned Ludd wrote: > -for conf in ${PN}-${PV}-${PR} ${PN}-${PV} ${PN}; do > +for conf in default ${PN}-${PV}-${PR} ${PN}-${PV} ${PN}; do > > Call it 'default' ? Switch the order around so it's 'default PN PN-PV PN-PV-PR' -- that way you can have a package-specific setting, and override it for specif

Re: [gentoo-dev] virtual/x11-7* hides real bugs and breaks good ebuilds

2006-06-07 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Jakub Moc wrote: > Olivier Crete wrote: >> Is there a recent list of non-ported packages ? Maybe we should do a >> last effort to port everything for a week or two and then package.mask >> the packages that no one cares enough about to port them. > > Hmmm, not a up2date one, AFAIK... There's a tra

Re: [gentoo-dev] virtual/x11-7* hides real bugs and breaks good ebuilds

2006-06-07 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Jakub Moc wrote: >> =virtual/x11-7 is hiding breakage in ebuilds that are not ported for > modular X. I couldn't agree more, but I was forced to add this rather than allow unported ebuilds to break. Thanks, Donnie signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] eselect-compiler updates and unmasking

2006-06-02 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Jeremy Huddleston wrote: > I finally had a few free cycles, so I fixed up the eselect-compiler > ebuild to better handle the transition from gcc-config and updated > toolchain.eclass to better work with multilib. I've had a bunch of help > from the amd64 devs/testers/users this past week testing i

Re: [gentoo-dev] xextproto, what to do

2006-05-30 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Andrew Gaffney wrote: > Rakotomandimby Mihamina wrote: >> Hi, >> I am trying to install qemu and kqemu, and I run into a problem: > > This is a question for the gentoo-user mailing list. Didn't you notice, he cross-posted to there as well as personally emailing me. Not something likely to make an

Re: [gentoo-dev] Summer of Code students and Planet Gentoo

2006-05-28 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: > The worry there was whether it would create controversy if they were > hosted with other developer blogs, so we figured we'd host the actual > blogs off-site (should irk less people, although presumably most will > already have external blogs already) and just aggregate

Re: [gentoo-dev] Summer of Code students and Planet Gentoo

2006-05-27 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Daniel Drake wrote: > 1. We encourage our students to write about their projects on weblogs, > and will set them up temporary weblogs at gentoo-soc.com if they do not > have them already Why a new domain? We've already got a blog setup at http://planet.gentoo.org/developers/ and could just add htt

Re: [gentoo-dev] [ANNOUNCE] New eselect modules for blas, cblas, lapack

2006-05-26 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Danny van Dyk wrote: > Donnie: RFC: should ACML be modified to install both ABIs? (i.e. x86 and > amd64). I'd say no, as no packages but glibc/gcc/binutils currently do > that. Portage should be fixed to allow things to be installed for ABI=x86 and ABI=amd64. We shouldn't work around that in the

[gentoo-dev] [ANNOUNCE] New eselect modules for blas, cblas, lapack

2006-05-25 Thread Donnie Berkholz
With great pleasure, I announce the testing release of new eselect modules for BLAS, CBLAS and LAPACK implementations. You may say, "But we already have 'eselect blas' and 'eselect lapack,' Donnie! What are you thinking?" In reply, I would say, "The current eselect modules have many limitations."

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Devmanual

2006-05-24 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Mark Loeser wrote: > At long last the devmanual is official. You can find it at > http://devmanual.gentoo.org. I would like to thank plasmaroo for helping > me with converting it to XML (since he did all of the XSL work to add in > the features we needed to make it easy to write and expand upon).

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] bugs.gentoo.org comment length restrictions

2006-05-24 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Jeffrey Forman wrote: > To all, > > Recently there have been reports of exceedingly long comments being > posted on bugzilla bugs, such as kernel configs or long error messages. > > I had instituted a comment restriction in our test environment that will > be shortly implemented, but with the rep

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed package move

2006-05-23 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Thursday 18 May 2006 06:41, Paul de Vrieze wrote: >> The package sys-apps/paludis is in the wrong category. It is a package >> manager on par with rpm, dpkg, etc. Those live in app-arch. > > app-arch is for things that manage archives > > paludis is much more than an ar

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving virtual/eject to new-style virtual

2006-05-23 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Harald van Dijk wrote: > can't block themselves when only one may be > installed at a time, This is the one that really annoys me. New-style virtuals are supposed to make things so easy, but you end up having a ton of crap added to each provider to block all the others. Thanks, Donnie signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving virtual/eject to new-style virtual

2006-05-23 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Harald van Dijk wrote: > How does it help? New-style virtuals have several disadvantages, and the > usual advantages of new-style virtuals don't apply here. If it actually > provides real benefits, then no objections from me, but how is this > easier to maintain than a "virtual/eject sys-block/uniej

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving virtual/eject to new-style virtual

2006-05-23 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Ned Ludd wrote: > On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 12:38 +0200, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: >> So, right now virtual/eject is the old-style virtual that gets listed in >> virtuals file in the profiles, defaulting to sys-apps/eject that is Linux >> only. > > Please refrain from adding any new(bad) styl

Re: [gentoo-dev] New git.eclass

2006-05-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Fernando J. Pereda wrote: > I'd like people who use Git eclass to test it and see if any of the > 'features' I introduced break things for them. I just incorporated much of this into my version (minus some whitespace changes) and pushed it up. Seems to work fine on my stuff, although the additiona

Re: [gentoo-dev] New git.eclass

2006-05-19 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Robin H. Johnson wrote: > Simple case - consider a disconnected machine, that you use sneakernet > to get files to - I've had a few in the past where the hardware was new > enough that networking was broken or not supported yet, and I had to try > a few patches and snapshots before actually getting

Re: [gentoo-dev] New git.eclass

2006-05-19 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Greg KH wrote: > Ok, we'll make it a new ebuild. "git-live-sources" perhaps? :) If you just want the latest git rather than snapshots etc, you could do a git-sources-.ebuild. That seems to have become the standard. Thanks, Donnie signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] New git.eclass

2006-05-19 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Robin H. Johnson wrote: > On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 09:08:08AM -0700, Greg KH wrote: >> On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 01:45:30PM +0200, Fernando J. Pereda wrote: >>> Also, git-sources *should* use this eclass once it is in the tree since >>> people using it will save _lots_ of bandwidth and disk space. >>

Re: [gentoo-dev] New git.eclass

2006-05-18 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Duncan Coutts wrote: > In case anyone needs distracting from a current hot topic... > > Just like we have eclasses for cvs, tla etc, kosmikus has written one > that does the same thing but for darcs. s/kosmikus has/I have/, s/darcs/git/ > Darcs (dev-util/darcs) is one of the new breed of distrib

Re: [gentoo-dev] Paludis and Profiles

2006-05-17 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Matthijs van der Vleuten wrote: > On 5/17/06, Christian Hartmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > With respect to the "hey support omg!" comments i say stick a big fat >> > README about being an experimental profile or something like that and >> > that's it. Usually bug reports require "emerge --inf

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Modular X and hardened

2006-05-14 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo) wrote: > # Xorg server is unaviodably suid with lazy bindings > RESTRICT="stricter" > > to the xorg-server ebuild to stop it dying for people with > FEATURES=stricter (the comment helps people who have enabled STRICTER > to see why it's disabled, in case anything else crop

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Modular X and hardened

2006-05-13 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo) wrote: > The current solution (bail if -z,now is set in the compiler specs) is > not one suggested by the hardened team, just need to make that clear, > and it's not something we would encourage elsewhere. However until we > can provide a solution for such a high-profile pac

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Modular X and hardened

2006-05-13 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Ned Ludd wrote: > This was handled in the 6.8.x series and got dropped for unknown > reasons when the modular X porting started happening. > Unless your dead set on modular X I'd stick with the 6.8.x series. We are using the solution that was suggested to us by members of the hardened team. If yo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Modular X and hardened

2006-05-12 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Simon Strandman wrote: Hello I installed modular X on my server running hardened. It was quite annoying to have to switch back and forth betwen the vanilla gcc and the hardened. I couldn't leave it on compiling over the night but had to monitor it all the time. Is this really necessary? Why c

Re: [gentoo-dev] Discussion

2006-05-10 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Wed, 10 May 2006 00:07:29 -0700 Donnie Berkholz > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | so discussion with at least the portage team would be merited. > > Already happened, in amongst all the other GLEP 42 stuff. Then I wonder why a member of the port

Re: [gentoo-dev] Discussion

2006-05-10 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Stephen Bennett wrote: > On Tue, 09 May 2006 18:27:45 -0700 > Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Then again, I'm missing context because people have this weird thing >> about abstractly bringing up issues without discussing the actual >> pro

Re: [gentoo-dev] Discussion

2006-05-10 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Roy Marples wrote: > On Wednesday 10 May 2006 01:17, Alec Warner wrote: >> Please don't commit files to profiles/ unless it has been discussed >> previously on this ML. I don't care if your file is insignificant or >> 'won't affect anything else' or that it's 'completely necessary'. Please >> dis

Re: [gentoo-dev] Discussion

2006-05-09 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Alec Warner wrote: > Please don't commit files to profiles/ unless it has been discussed > previously > on this ML. I don't care if your file is insignificant or 'won't affect > anything else' or that it's 'completely necessary'. Please discuss it first. > > You don't have to ask for a vote o

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Disenchantment

2006-05-07 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Daniel Goller wrote: > get we have lost one important thing out of sight, gentoo is a distro by > users for users, and the users i think are left out of the loop on this > whole situation This may be true for you but not for all of us. Gentoo is a distro where I can have what I want, and I can mak

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: When will KDE 3.5 be marked as stable?

2006-05-05 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Bart Braem wrote: > Xorg 7: 5 months Can't stabilize till portage 2.1 is stable. Doesn't matter how many open bugs we've got, or how well it works. Thanks, Donnie signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] bash has libs in /usr/lib

2006-05-03 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Philippe Trottier wrote: > We got some old school install done in a server around town, the libgpm > was located in /usr/lib while /usr was only mounted later. This is a > bug... Nothing should have a soft link to /usr/* from /bin or /lib*. > Anyway it was an easy fix. > > Could people around che

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union

2006-05-01 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Stuart Herbert wrote: Hrm. Don't we get that benefit only if the overlays switch over to using the same distributed VCS that the main tree moves to? The short answer is yes. The long answer is that it's much easier to interconvert histories between most DVCS's than to convert back and forth

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union

2006-04-30 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Alexandre Buisse wrote: The opensolaris project has done a similar thing[1]. While we're posting useful links, here's another one from the cairo project on switching from CVS to some distributed SCM: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/cairo/2006-February/006255.html Thanks, Donnie -- gen

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union

2006-04-29 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Alexandre Buisse wrote: The opensolaris project has done a similar thing[1]. The three finalists were bazaar[2], mercurial[3] and git[4], and the winner was eventually mercurial. This is also the recommended choice from the EuroBSDcon slides, so definitely something to consider. Indeed, althoug

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union

2006-04-29 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Jan Kundrát wrote: Ryan Phillips wrote: Stable and unstable keywords are a hack on top of a version control system. We wouldn't have them if gentoo used an SCM that supports true branches. There would be no need. Umm, I'm not an ebuild dev, but how would users mix stable and unstable package

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union

2006-04-28 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Chris White wrote: On Friday 28 April 2006 04:14 pm, Ryan Phillips wrote: I disagree. By committing something to the current tree it has the ability to effect a lot of people. What happens when we need to reverse a commit? It isn't that easy with CVS. cvs admin -or1.1 (delete revision 1.1)

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union

2006-04-28 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Fernando J. Pereda wrote: On Fri, Apr 28, 2006 at 02:56:26PM -0700, Ryan Phillips wrote: I sorta like git in certain aspects. If git would work better than CVS or anything other SCM I'm for it. Right now, _anything_ would be better than CVS. I don't really know if Git is suitable for our wor

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union

2006-04-28 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Ryan Phillips wrote: * In addition, git only allows checkins from the project parent. A deal breaker in my opinion Could you elaborate on what you mean by this? I don't understand. Thanks, Donnie -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union

2006-04-28 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Ryan Phillips wrote: git - terrible with lots of tiny little files Can you provide some evidence to support this? I posted in more detail on SCMs elsewhere today. Thanks, Donnie -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] ACCESS DENIED during emerge

2006-04-28 Thread Donnie Berkholz
A. Khattri wrote: Does this sound right or is there a better (preferred?) way? Try to fix --enable-conf-install to respect DESTDIR or whatever other install method you're using, or look to see what flag it will take at 'make install' time to use a prefix. Donnie -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mai

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union

2006-04-28 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Donnie Berkholz wrote: cogito Actually git on its own is pretty usable at this point. I use plain git for managing my overlay. Donnie -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

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