[gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: sec-keys/openpgp-keys-jiatan

2024-05-30 Thread Duncan
till in-tree. Maybe even provide an expedited security exception of some sort from normal tree-cleaning procedures for the sec- keys category? -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: Current unavoidable use of xz utils in Gentoo

2024-04-12 Thread Duncan
not for its absolutely wicked pulled-in deps for functionality I'm not going to use and don't have turned on for my kernel in any case. Luckily kde/solid/kio/etc degrade functionality gracefully if their attempted udisks calls return command-not-found, making it an ideal candidate for null-pkgi

[gentoo-dev] Re: Update on the 23.0 profiles

2024-04-08 Thread Duncan
-changes as unlike the flag entirely (dis)? appearing or (un)masking (which is still active from the profile) there's nothing alerting me to IUSE-default changes. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: Current unavoidable use of xz utils in Gentoo

2024-04-03 Thread Duncan
de project dropped it was an equally major divergence... but equally doable due to Gentoo's meta-distro aspect. Tho both would be rather harder were it not for git; I may not have done either one if git hadn't happened and svn was still king. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTM

[gentoo-dev] Re: Current unavoidable use of xz utils in Gentoo

2024-04-03 Thread Duncan
ook into, in case they're a better fit for you than Gentoo. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: Current unavoidable use of xz utils in Gentoo

2024-04-03 Thread Duncan
mischief there /because/ everybody's looking at it now, when it could have been any of a number of packages, some of which might already be compromised and we just didn't happen to find it, IMO really doesn't make much sense. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "E

[gentoo-dev] Re: Current unavoidable use of xz utils in Gentoo

2024-03-30 Thread Duncan
bug reporters and wranglers, docs/wiki/lists/forums/ chat contributors, and all of the above for our upstreams too... it takes a big community to make a full distro and we all have our part! =:^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord,

[gentoo-dev] Re: Profile 23.0 testing with stages and binhost (part 2 of 2)

2024-03-16 Thread Duncan
cal path /realbin and doing /bin -> /realbin would appear to satisfy the test too, and would allow me to avoid patching the profile bashrc, but at least here, having /bin be the system's real bin location is part of the _point_ of a reverse-usrmerge. -- Duncan - List replies preferred.

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: banning "AI"-backed (LLM/GPT/whatever) contributions to Gentoo

2024-03-09 Thread Duncan
Michał Górny posted on Sat, 09 Mar 2024 16:04:58 +0100 as excerpted: > On Fri, 2024-03-08 at 03:59 +0000, Duncan wrote: >> Robin H. Johnson posted on Tue, 5 Mar 2024 06:12:06 + as excerpted: >> >> > The energy waste argument is also one that needs to be made >&

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: banning "AI"-backed (LLM/GPT/whatever) contributions to Gentoo

2024-03-07 Thread Duncan
ave already suggested, but let's leave it at that.) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: 2024-02-26-debianutils-drops-installkernel-dep: add news item

2024-02-26 Thread Duncan
ess you've specifically configured other behavior", or "will, unless you've previously setup your own solution"? ("Will" can then be SHOUTED or not, as desired, because the statement is then sufficiently conditional regardless.) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. &q

[gentoo-dev] Re: Add Hooks to Eselect

2023-08-20 Thread Duncan
# to reflect the in-shell sourcing? -x $hookfile && $hookfile == ${hookfile#README} && $hookfile == ${hookfile#.} && $hookfile == ${hookfile%.bak} && $hookfile == ${hookfile%\~} ]] &&a

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] News Item v3: Plasma Profile to enable PipeWire, Wayland support

2023-05-22 Thread Duncan
ide. And of course there's all the just coming 5->6 changes to deal with now too! So I surely appreciate the work you put in on the dev side to make my user-side possible. =:^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the

[gentoo-dev] Re: [PATCH v2] 2023-05-08-openssh-configuration-changes: add item

2023-05-10 Thread Duncan
; truly (suppressed-leading-zero-)numeric-order-parsed? Does 9-xxx come before or after 80-xxx ? Would it need to be 09-xxx (shell-order-parsing)? -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: [PATCH gentoo-news] 2023-04-01-python3-11: add news item

2023-04-02 Thread Duncan
_ upgrade was to 3.11; the _next_ one would be 3.12.) > + > + > +Upgrade commands > +==== -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: app-admin/gkrellm & plugins

2023-01-30 Thread Duncan
general conky discussion/questions, if you want. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: Current portage will now truncate your repo's git history to 1

2022-12-15 Thread Duncan
situation was considerably more sweary when I lost that history and instinctively I tried to look in the git history for why, but of course it was GONE!) repos.conf, [DEFAULT] (or [gentoo]) section: clone-depth = 0 sync-depth = 0 -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "

[gentoo-dev] Re: [PATCH] flag-o-matic.eclass: add append-time64-flags

2022-11-13 Thread Duncan
. > >> As a simple user And as another user... > Plans and notes are at > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Toolchain/time64_migration if > interested! ... just in case anyone (else) needed to be sure, quoting from the above link: >>>> For 32-bit arches >>&g

[gentoo-dev] Re: [PATCH v6 2/2] profiles/desc: add amdgpu_targets.desc for USE_EXPAND

2022-08-31 Thread Duncan
ing as well, but that could be my client's display indigestion on the unicode. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 83 [v3]: EAPI deprecation

2022-08-01 Thread Duncan
years before deprecation, plus two years of deprecation, for five years total EAPI life before ban. (This isn't entirely necessary but makes explicit the answer to one of my first questions reading the proposal. YMMV. I debated spec vs rational, but decided rational was a better fit.) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: Qt 5.15.3 version bump with breaking changes incoming

2022-03-23 Thread Duncan
builds. =:^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-portage-dev] Re: [PATCH] portage.output: Replace darkblue colors with teal

2021-12-06 Thread Duncan
hat's being looked at as well, but that doesn't change the fact that an improved default color.map, as here, is useful too. =:^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: [PATCH 0/1] ecm.eclass: set KDE_DEBUG=1 for ecm_src_test

2021-10-23 Thread Duncan
onon are not kde-*. And without drkonqi I get segfaults. Which suggests another possible workaround, unmerging drkonki. If the only thing pulling it in is a set or metapackage the alternative would be either a local-overlay null- package, or commenting that entry in a local copy of the set/metapack

[gentoo-portage-dev] Re: [PATCH] lib/_emerge/actions.py: warn on missing /run

2021-10-07 Thread Duncan
agement may malfunction." Omitting "that" after "It seems" to shorten further, the longer /proc case would result in: It seems /proc is not mounted. Process management may malfunction. Nicely under the target 70 chars. =:^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs.

[gentoo-portage-dev] Re: [PATCH 2/2] lib/_emerge/resolver/output_helpers.py: explicitly state 'all satisfied'

2021-10-06 Thread Duncan
Thanks. I could get my brain around the old format but this is /so/ much nicer! =:^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-portage-dev] Re: Ebuild - portage variable names

2018-11-28 Thread Duncan
ge easier for a quick lookup, and only tend to use PMS when I'm checking details not in the ebuild (5) manpage or I need the specific wording of the agreed PMS standard. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-portage-dev] Re: [RFC] Improving Gentoo package format

2018-11-11 Thread Duncan
binpkg-${PF} to emphasize the binpkg part and group any emergency-installed packages together in an alphabetical listing. But whichever's easiest for portage to work with, which probably makes the -binpkg suffix version a better choice, requiring less modification to existing code. Is there any interest at all in binpkgs, perhaps when improved, from the other PMs? Or are they effectively dead now or not interested in binpkgs even if the format were to be improved, or simply too hard to work with? Because "it'd be nice" (aka MAY level) to have this formally standardized to PMS... if there's any interest from the other PMs. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: [PATCH] ant-tasks.eclass: use eapi7-ver

2018-05-22 Thread Duncan
rever'. Test defensively. We're not just talking EAPI=8, etc, here. What happens if someone typos EAPI=56 or some such? Positively support what you recognize. If it's unrecognized, it should always fall thru to an error saying it's unsupported. Much easier to debug that way. =:^) -- D

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] multiversion ebuilds

2018-05-15 Thread Duncan
y're not allowed in the official tree. Tho perhaps that can be reevaluated. But while there's more connectivity now than over a decade ago when that policy was created, I expect there's still those paying by the meg or gig for net access locally, that won't enjoy having their sneakernet sync routin

[gentoo-dev] Re: [PATCH v2] eapi7-ver.eclass: Support EAPIs 0 to 6.

2018-05-08 Thread Duncan
eneric *) catchall case. The error is then clearer if someone typos EAPI=67 or the like. + 0|1|2|3|4|5|6) ;; + 7) die "${ECLASS}: EAPI=${EAPI} includes all functions from this eclass" ;; + *) die "${ECLASS}: EAPI=${EAPI} Unknown" ;; -- Duncan - List replies pref

[gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly x11@ project status for April 2018

2018-04-01 Thread Duncan
f the > x11-proto/ packages to ease the transition. I noticed that I didn't need many of the protos any longer here too, and figured it was a recombining. Thanks for the confirmation. =:^) And thanks for the roadmap to what's ahead re X. =:^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No

[gentoo-dev] Re: New Portage fork: sys-apps/portage-mgorny

2018-03-27 Thread Duncan
iewpoint as I'm posting it. Sure I could be wrong, but if I am, please point it out so I can see it too! =:^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: Mailing list moderation and community openness

2018-03-21 Thread Duncan
ir elected council, have clearly expressed their desire to cut down the outside noise from "guests", ensuring that any such "guest posts" allowed thru are signal, not noise, or worse yet, negative signal. As one of those guests, abiding by that expressed intent to the best of my

[gentoo-dev] Re: News Item v2: Portage rsync tree verification unstable

2018-03-11 Thread Duncan
it's acceptable as-is. Thanks. You put an awful lot of work into portage, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who's thankful there's a steady hand at the portage wheel, even if it doesn't always come thru. Your efforts certainly make the gentoo experience a better one! =:^) -- Duncan - List replies pref

[gentoo-dev] Re: How to deal with git sources?

2018-03-11 Thread Duncan
ecalling that warning post correctly. It might have been for other than github, or I might have misunderstood, or maybe they've fixed that problem by now, or... -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the progr

[gentoo-dev] Re: News Item v2: Portage rsync tree verification unstable

2018-03-10 Thread Duncan
is (but might be too long, do those news item short title limits still apply?): Title: Portage rsync-verify feature not yet stable-keyworded Perhaps omit the -keyworded if that's too long: Title: Portage rsync-verify feature not yet stable Feel free to revise further... -- Duncan - List replies

[gentoo-dev] Re: Make it easier to check upper bounds with repoman.

2018-03-02 Thread Duncan
o get it, prioritized high enough based on the severity of the problem to actually do something about it. So the problem remains... -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: newsitem: baselayout 2.5 changes

2018-02-11 Thread Duncan
inted at a tmpfs instead lets me examine what's actually installed, if necessary. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: newsitem: baselayout 2.5 changes

2018-02-11 Thread Duncan
... Refreshing your backups before the upgrade and checking site- specific solutions after the upgrade before reboot, is recommended.") Because it's a system-critical package this becomes even more important. (And FWIW, getting a longer heads-up to such changes is a primary reason I read t

[gentoo-dev] Re: newsitem: baselayout 2.5 changes

2018-02-10 Thread Duncan
ARE DOING AND CAN > HELP WITH TESTING. What about "reverse" usrmerge as above? Flag on or not? Maybe I just turn it on (obviously after updating my backups) to help test? -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: SAT-based dependency solver: request for test cases

2018-02-06 Thread Duncan
're ready for it already), or you want them, but wait until you've adjusted the script to deal with it, or don't bother, you're not going to try supporting anything that unusual anyway? -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-portage-dev] Re: [PATCH] emerge: add --changed-deps-report option (bug 645780)

2018-01-29 Thread Duncan
al quite irritating by about the third time I saw it, even if also helpful. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: [News item review] Portage rsync tree verification (v4)

2018-01-28 Thread Duncan
git or other methods are not affected, and verification for them will be provided in the future. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: [News item review] Portage rsync tree verification (v3)

2018-01-27 Thread Duncan
perfectly addresses the question I had about the original. =:^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: Why are ebuilds licensed GPL v2 only (no later version)?

2018-01-26 Thread Duncan
il than I remembered or would write it again here. (I had more written but deleted it as OT.) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: Why are ebuilds licensed GPL v2 only (no later version)?

2018-01-26 Thread Duncan
e it private, while Gentoo/DRobbins could, especially since at the time copyright was assigned to Gentoo. Of course now we have the advantage of looking back it it in history and can see how things turned out, but back then, it was far less clear how things would turn out. -- Duncan - Li

[gentoo-dev] Re: [News item review] Portage rsync tree verification

2018-01-25 Thread Duncan
sync users can ignore, or how they can get gpg signature verification as well if its possible. (Sufficient to just link it if it's more involved than a single paragraph, since this is primarily for rsync users.) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree pr

[gentoo-portage-dev] Re: Plan for initial integration of gemato with portage

2018-01-24 Thread Duncan
ntion: or the more detailed instructions the news item points to if they get too long to be in the news item itself. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: version/slot locked dependencies in eclasses like autotools.eclass and vala.eclass

2018-01-22 Thread Duncan
Michael Orlitzky posted on Mon, 22 Jan 2018 10:04:30 -0500 as excerpted: > On 01/22/2018 05:10 AM, Duncan wrote: >>>> >>>> If the dependencies are to remain in the eclasses, then the eclasses >>>> should get a new revision when those dependencies cha

[gentoo-dev] Re: version/slot locked dependencies in eclasses like autotools.eclass and vala.eclass

2018-01-22 Thread Duncan
-bumping to reflect what upstream already did, won't be /that/ much different or /that/ much more work. Only now I guess I'll be seeing it in --rX revbumps, too.) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: Managing updates on many identical Gentoo systems

2018-01-18 Thread Duncan
on-identical stuff, so simply toggling a symlink lets you switch machine layouts), or if the machines have enough memory, setting up a single thumb drive to boot and put everything in a tmpfs for the machine to run from, so you can use the same thumb drive to boot them all, effectively the sneak

[gentoo-dev] Re: News Item: GnuCash 2.7+ Breaking Change

2018-01-16 Thread Duncan
onestly don't know which is worse, but the obvious ideal is a sane upstream that doesn't veer to either extreme, or lacking that, at least cooperates and provides support when a new at least /semi-/stable release is needed as the old is just outdated and broken, security or otherwise.) -- Duncan

[gentoo-dev] Re: Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list

2018-01-10 Thread Duncan
I can't fault them, and now we get to see how it all plays out. But whether they, and gentoo as a whole, wins that effective wager, or loses it, the bet has now been placed, so nothing to do but wait and see the results. =:^/ -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: Dropped EAPI 2/3 support in virtualx.eclass

2018-01-06 Thread Duncan
nice, because if nothing else they can just grab a copy before the change and if they can't even do /that/ in a month... . Beyond that and the old version can always be dug out of git if necessary.) Either way, thanks for the cleanup. =:^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML

[gentoo-dev] Re: Deleting old news items

2018-01-06 Thread Duncan
ys (365*1.5 rounded up) is appropriate. The precise config file path, name and format would be up to the implementer and/or eselect news module maintainer. * Other news readers could of course set and ship their own default expiry, if desired. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: News: systemd sysv-utils blocker resolution

2017-12-24 Thread Duncan
- > > Title: systemd sysv-utils blocker resolution +1 The news item reads very clearly to me. =:^) Thanks especially for explicitly including the list of symlinks and that sysvinit otherwise provides those files, as well as the explicitly suggested equery depends line for those who need it.

[gentoo-dev] Re: The problem of unmaintained packages in Gentoo

2017-12-22 Thread Duncan
because each release lists the bugs fixed and I can and do at least review their one- line summaries every time I update. Between that and following the patches as they're posted for review in portage-dev (so the release-time bug list is primarily review), I'm effectively following live-git p

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] First (experimental) 17.1 profiles news item for review (v2)

2017-12-21 Thread Duncan
Mike Gilbert posted on Thu, 21 Dec 2017 09:10:09 -0500 as excerpted: > On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 2:44 AM, Matthew Thode > <prometheanf...@gentoo.org> wrote: >> On 17-12-21 08:34:31, Michał Górny wrote: >>> W dniu czw, 21.12.2017 o godzinie 05∶29 +, użytkownik Dunca

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] First (experimental) 17.1 profiles news item for review (v2)

2017-12-20 Thread Duncan
eep my merged lib here, managing it much like I do my merged bin and root/usr, but it'd be nice to know whether that's going to remain an official layout or not, and if not, what the timeframe for removing it is. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program

[gentoo-dev] Re: AMD64 Arch Testers needed urgently

2017-12-14 Thread Duncan
ve there's two people now volunteered for it, and of course people have to be aware of it before they can realize their personal stake and thus interest in it, thus this thread... Even if not enough by itself, you gotta start somewhere, and there's at least the two interested, now... -- Dunc

[gentoo-portage-dev] Re: Is portage (/usr)/bin-merge safe?

2017-12-07 Thread Duncan
Zac Medico posted on Thu, 07 Dec 2017 01:07:21 -0800 as excerpted: > On 12/07/2017 12:37 AM, Duncan wrote: >> Zac Medico posted on Fri, 31 May 2013 22:49:02 -0700 as excerpted: >> >>> On 05/31/2013 10:36 PM, Duncan wrote: >>>> As in subjec

[gentoo-portage-dev] Re: Is portage (/usr)/bin-merge safe?

2017-12-07 Thread Duncan
Zac Medico posted on Fri, 31 May 2013 22:49:02 -0700 as excerpted: > On 05/31/2013 10:36 PM, Duncan wrote: >> As in subject, is portage bin/usr-bin merge safe? >> >> It appears most of my clashing files are /usr/bin/* -> /bin/* symlinks. >> (That's just bin, I'

[gentoo-dev] Re: [PATCH 2/2] glep-0042: Update and clarify naming rules.

2017-11-27 Thread Duncan
p the last sentence to read a bit smoother (I skipped formatting)... While there is no hard restriction on the length of short-name, limiting it to 20 characters is strongly recommended. (s/for/on/, reversing order of the limit and strongly recommended.) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No

[gentoo-dev] Re: [PATCH] git-r3.eclass: Support more flexible EGIT_OVERRIDE_* APIs for user

2017-11-18 Thread Duncan
e, when I needed to bisect a package the first time. So a variant without the repo OR package name would be my wish, here. > 2. The overrides weren't suitable for packages checking out multiple > repositories (LLVM, wine, glibc). Valid point there! -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No

[gentoo-dev] Re: Manifest2 hashes, take n+1-th

2017-10-21 Thread Duncan
any good admin I try to follow the security news especially where it touches machines I administer, so I'm following this thread with particular interest.) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: Manifest2 hashes, take n+1-th

2017-10-20 Thread Duncan
back to it. So the hash verification time really does matter, even if it's minutes compared to hours of actual build time, because that's time I'm actively waiting for it, vs. letting it do its thing in the background, with much less concern about how long (within reason) it might take. --

[gentoo-dev] Re: pkg_rm_pretend?

2017-10-14 Thread Duncan
Kent Fredric posted on Sun, 15 Oct 2017 06:36:34 +1300 as excerpted: > On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 07:50:38 + (UTC) > Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > >> Wow. How'd you ever get a backlog of 400 packages in your depclean >> list, >> including critic

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC v2: news item for the 17.0 profiles

2017-10-12 Thread Duncan
o be easier. So 7.5 months does seem reasonable, to me at least. =:^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: pkg_rm_pretend?

2017-10-12 Thread Duncan
or deal with it manually if the lower backtrack didn't propose a satisfactory solution. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: news item for the 17.0 profiles

2017-10-12 Thread Duncan
Duncan posted on Wed, 11 Oct 2017 03:31:55 + as excerpted: > Andreas K. Huettel posted on Tue, 10 Oct 2017 21:02:32 +0200 as > excerpted: > >> Switching the profile changes the settings for building gcc (it >> switches a use-flag from forced-off to forced-on). A gcc-6 b

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC v2: news item for the 17.0 profiles

2017-10-10 Thread Duncan
h stabilizes gcc-6.4+, with the goal for the gcc stabilization being the end of 2017, meaning 13.0 profile removal is planned for the end of 2018 if all archs meet their gcc-6.4+ stabilization goal." -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a l

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: news item for the 17.0 profiles

2017-10-10 Thread Duncan
Andreas K. Huettel posted on Tue, 10 Oct 2017 21:02:32 +0200 as excerpted: > Am Dienstag, 10. Oktober 2017, 04:10:13 CEST schrieb Duncan: > >> One thing isn't clear here. Is this sequence necessary due to the >> profile switch itself, because the /profile/ enab

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: news item for the 17.0 profiles

2017-10-09 Thread Duncan
y've already crossed with the gcc upgrade? Either way, making the answer to that explicit should be useful, avoiding either an unnecessary full rebuild, or avoiding the problems because the news item wasn't clear and people already on gcc-6.4+ thought the procedure didn't apply to them. --

[gentoo-dev] Re: Providing a `service` scripts that speaks OpenRC and systemd

2017-09-30 Thread Duncan
ort of detection they do if they support it, and how they translate the passed parameters if necessary, and bugs in how they do any of it become the bugs of that initsystem. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: Providing a `service` scripts that speaks OpenRC and systemd

2017-09-29 Thread Duncan
Harald Weiner posted on Fri, 29 Sep 2017 04:47:35 +0200 as excerpted: > Duncan posted on 09/29/17 2:08 AM as excerpted: > >> Or are we going to replace rm, and fdisk, and gdisk, and cfdisk, and >> cgdisk, and who knows how many other binaries, with "safe" >

[gentoo-dev] Re: Providing a `service` scripts that speaks OpenRC and systemd

2017-09-28 Thread Duncan
tual to provide it, just as I've done for a number of other packages that aren't actually required to build or run the commands I /do/ want to run.) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: glibc-2.26 and changes with SunRPC, libtirpc, ntirpc, libnsl (NIS and friends), ...

2017-09-20 Thread Duncan
Andreas K. Huettel posted on Tue, 19 Sep 2017 14:53:20 +0200 as excerpted: > Am Dienstag, 19. September 2017, 07:06:24 CEST schrieb Duncan: >> Andreas K. Huettel posted on Mon, 18 Sep 2017 11:56:30 +0200 as >> excerpted: >> > It may not always be obvious where this is nee

[gentoo-dev] Re: glibc-2.26 and changes with SunRPC, libtirpc, ntirpc, libnsl (NIS and friends), ...

2017-09-18 Thread Duncan
/need, so whatever USE is pulling it in obviously isn't something I wanted or found I needed due to required-deps or something, here.) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: [openrc] [systemd] make `service` common for both OpenRC and SystemD (like Debian/Ubuntu/whatever did)

2017-09-17 Thread Duncan
fectly covered by https://xkcd.com/927/ :) Well, I'd argue the case for "not 'perfectly'", because for better or for worse, systemd has had rather more luck at cross-distro init-system unification than that comic suggests. There's still special-cases like small embedded where sys

[gentoo-dev] Re: [PATCH v3] eclass/kernel-2.eclass: Remove use of tr in global scope

2017-09-07 Thread Duncan
e to lean on CAs, it should hopefully at least resist the trivial stuff like insecure wifi and ISP content-insertion games.) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: Categories for GUI stuff x11 and wayland

2017-09-04 Thread Duncan
or it, so you broadened my vocabulary in a very useful way. =:^) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warnock%27s_dilemma -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: Categories for GUI stuff x11 and wayland

2017-09-04 Thread Duncan
Meanwhile, it's certainly nice to see messages with more respect than may sometimes be seen in this list. Thanks. But don't be afraid to post your user's opinion just because it differs from someone else's opinion. Your opinion is valuable too, even if it's mine it differs with! =:^) -

[gentoo-dev] Re: Categories for GUI stuff x11 and wayland

2017-09-04 Thread Duncan
meone else with the opposite reaction, favoring desktop-* over ux-*). --- [1] Dosbox game: Master of Orion, original, (c) 1993 updated copy. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: Categories for GUI stuff x11 and wayland

2017-09-03 Thread Duncan
oday, due to mobile, wearables, and possibly ultimately injectibles. > IDK. > > I'm not committed to anything I've said here, just food for thought. Same here. My biggest concern is simply avoiding, if possible, setting up new categories now, only to have to redo them in 2-5 when hindsig

[gentoo-dev] Re: Categories for GUI stuff x11 and wayland

2017-08-30 Thread Duncan
came of it. Perhaps gui-* category names if that's actually moving forward, in ordered to maintain a bit of consistency and for lack of a better idea? -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: Guidelines for dangerous USE flags

2017-08-29 Thread Duncan
Kent Fredric posted on Tue, 29 Aug 2017 21:21:09 +1200 as excerpted: > On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 03:06:13 + (UTC) > Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > >> nrpe-command-args-SECURITY-HOLE or just nrpe-GAPING-SECURITY-HOLE > > That's probably excessive, if you set

[gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: xfce-extra/xfce4-volumed

2017-08-28 Thread Duncan
mixer if kmix isn't working (I'm on live-git-kde after all) or is "working" but I'm not getting the expected results or I simply want a different visual presentation. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use

[gentoo-dev] Re: Guidelines for dangerous USE flags

2017-08-23 Thread Duncan
ALL CAPS helps distinguish it too, since most USE flags are lowercase) in the name, say as ... nrpe-command-args-SECURITY-HOLE or just nrpe-GAPING-SECURITY-HOLE ... seems to me the most effective. Anyone that would even *think* to enable something like that without doing some *serious*

[gentoo-dev] Re: Help maintaining dev-erlang and ejabberd

2017-08-23 Thread Duncan
ontact there. You also need to contact the proxy-maintainer project to initiate that angle. There's further details and additional resources on the linked page, above. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: [PATCH v2 01/12] dev-util/shadowman: New package

2017-08-20 Thread Duncan
st used to seeing it require the ** accept_keyword thing). So I'm just wondering what reason you might have had to do it this way instead. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: New item for sys-kernel/hardened-sources removal

2017-08-20 Thread Duncan
and now unsupported versions in the tree when they're guaranteed to be increasingly vulnerable to new attacks is simply irresponsible, with no logical argument that can be made otherwise, thus the removal. Were it any other package, with any other primary purpose... but it's not. -- Duncan - L

[gentoo-dev] Re: New item for sys-kernel/hardened-sources removal

2017-08-19 Thread Duncan
[Just my contribution to the shed color debate. =:^P ] -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: [PATCH 2/2] git-r3.eclass: Explicitly warn about unsecure protocols

2017-08-19 Thread Duncan
cess saved_umask > + local success saved_umask > if [[ ${EVCS_UMASK} ]]; then > saved_umask=$(umask) > umask "${EVCS_UMASK}" || die "Bad options to umask: > ${EVCS_UMASK}" -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: Revisions for USE flag changes

2017-08-18 Thread Duncan
Duncan posted on Sun, 13 Aug 2017 02:52:58 + as excerpted: > Michael Orlitzky posted on Sat, 12 Aug 2017 05:58:41 -0400 as excerpted: > >> On 08/12/2017 04:39 AM, Paweł Hajdan, Jr. wrote: >> >>> There are use-cases for --changed-use / --newuse other than change

Re: [gentoo-dev] New item for sys-kernel/hardened-sources removal

2017-08-16 Thread Duncan
Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike) posted on Wed, 16 Aug 2017 12:09:57 +0200 as excerpted: > s you may know the core of sys-kernel/hardened-sources have been the > grsecuirty patches. New typo: s/grsecuirty/grsecurity/ -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Ev

[gentoo-dev] Re: Revisions for USE flag changes

2017-08-16 Thread Duncan
unneeded these days) and smart- live-rebuild of my (live) kde packages.) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-dev] Re: [FRC] News item: Changing USE flags for >=app-backup/bacula

2017-08-15 Thread Duncan
t;plus", if "in addition to" makes it too long... -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-portage-dev] Re: [PATCH] emerge: add --autounmask-keep-keywords option (bug 622480)

2017-08-14 Thread Duncan
being automatically written, allowing the user direct control over what's actually written and how. =:^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

[gentoo-portage-dev] Re: [PATCH] emerge: add --autounmask-keep-keywords option (bug 622480)

2017-08-13 Thread Duncan
, doing it manually means I remember the details I did /not/ put down much more readily, once prompted by the ones I did. Even if an automated version could do it it'd need to write paragraphs in ordered to allow me to make sense of it a year or whatever later, compared to my single line wh

[gentoo-dev] Re: Revisions for USE flag changes

2017-08-12 Thread Duncan
I hadn't previously considered, sometimes changing my mind entirely. =:^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

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