[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in dev-python/vo: ChangeLog vo-0.6.ebuild

2010-09-11 Thread Petteri Räty
On 09/11/2010 12:50 AM, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis (arfrever) wrote: +PYTHON_CFLAGS=(2.* + -fno-strict-aliasing) + Shouldn't this rather be a patch to the build system that can be sent upstream? Regards, Petteri signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in dev-python/PyQt4: PyQt4-4.7.6.ebuild ChangeLog

2010-09-11 Thread Petteri Räty
On 09/11/2010 10:31 PM, Fabian Groffen wrote: On 11-09-2010 21:29:22 +0200, Ulrich Mueller wrote: On Sat, 11 Sep 2010, Petteri Räty wrote: Update EAPI. Fix dependencies. This message does not tell why the EPREFIX stuff was removed. Come on. EAPI was updated to 3, and removal of the EPREFIX

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in dev-python/hachoir-parser: ChangeLog hachoir-parser-1.3.4.ebuild

2010-09-11 Thread Petteri Räty
On 09/11/2010 11:20 PM, Maciej Mrozowski wrote: On Saturday 11 of September 2010 22:18:32 Petteri Räty wrote: On 09/11/2010 11:14 PM, Ryan Hill wrote: On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 22:10:51 +0300 Petteri Räty betelge...@gentoo.org wrote: + +*hachoir-parser-1.3.4 (10 Sep 2010) + + 10 Sep 2010

Re: [gentoo-dev] Improve devaway system

2010-08-30 Thread Petteri Räty
On 08/30/2010 05:14 PM, Markos Chandras wrote: Hi there It seems to me that people paying less and less attention to devaway system[1]. As you may see yourselves, few of the entries are 2-3 year old. This either means that these devs are inactive since then or that they came back and just

Re: [gentoo-dev] FOSDEM 2011

2010-08-26 Thread Petteri Räty
On 08/26/2010 12:01 PM, Markus Duft wrote: On 08/26/2010 10:55 AM, Markus Duft wrote: On 08/26/2010 10:33 AM, Fabian Groffen wrote: On 26-08-2010 10:10:49 +0200, Markus Duft wrote: I applied for a main track (regarding gentoo prefix on windows), and i wanted to ask around, if there is

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Add --hash-style=gnu to LDFLAGS

2010-08-08 Thread Petteri Räty
On 08/08/2010 03:21 AM, Markos Chandras wrote: On Sat, Aug 07, 2010 at 05:15:04PM -0700, Alec Warner wrote: Why not just set some LDFLAGS that totally won't work (-Wl, taters) and then assume anything that actually compiles with those flags set does not respect LDFLAGS. Set that up on a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Package version in case of upstream patches from stable branch of development

2010-08-04 Thread Petteri Räty
On 4.8.2010 16.05, Peter Volkov wrote: Bug I mentioned pretends that we have policy how to set version for packages that use backported upstream patches. Snapshotting a branch that is becoming next release is not backporting. Regards, Petteri

Re: [gentoo-dev] net-proxy/squid needs your love

2010-08-04 Thread Petteri Räty
On 08/04/2010 02:50 PM, Markos Chandras wrote: @Council: Yet another example that we need to track the status of every single project in order to have a clear picture of which projects are active and which are dead Pruning projects that don't actively elect a lead would be a good start

Re: [gentoo-dev] net-proxy/squid needs your love

2010-08-04 Thread Petteri Räty
On 08/04/2010 08:34 PM, Markos Chandras wrote: On Wed, Aug 04, 2010 at 07:12:18PM +0300, Petteri Räty wrote: On 08/04/2010 02:50 PM, Markos Chandras wrote: @Council: Yet another example that we need to track the status of every single project in order to have a clear picture of which

Re: [gentoo-dev] Package version in case of upstream patches from stable branch of development

2010-08-03 Thread Petteri Räty
On 08/03/2010 03:03 PM, Peter Volkov wrote: Hi. How should we version our packages in case we've backported upstream patches from stable branch of development? PV reflects the status of upstream that we base the ebuild on (usually a release) and then we apply individual reviewed patches on

Re: [gentoo-dev] Locale check in python_pkg_setup()

2010-07-31 Thread Petteri Räty
On 07/31/2010 11:10 PM, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: If the variable is set but not exported then it is local to the shell env. When bash goes to exec() python the local shell variables are not in the env; so os.environ() will not contain them. anta...@kyoto ~ $ foo=BAR

Re: [gentoo-dev] News item announcing as-needed (glep 42 stuff)

2010-07-27 Thread Petteri Räty
On 07/27/2010 07:51 PM, Jeroen Roovers wrote: On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 09:41:36 -0700 Paweł Hajdan, Jr. phajdan...@gentoo.org wrote: On 7/27/10 7:39 AM, Jeroen Roovers wrote: On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 22:29:06 +0200 Tomáš Chvátal scarab...@gentoo.org wrote: Is it time yet? I still find a lot of

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Upcoming Council meeting on July 26th, 1900 UTC

2010-07-18 Thread Petteri Räty
On 07/18/2010 05:21 PM, Christian Faulhammer wrote: Hi, Theo Chatzimichos tampak...@gentoo.org: On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 9:06 AM, Christian Faulhammer fa...@gentoo.org wrote: What about getting rid of -project? V-Li WHAT? Why?? Because it is useless in my eyes. All discussion

Re: [gentoo-dev] New eclass: autotools-utils.eclass

2010-07-17 Thread Petteri Räty
On 07/17/2010 01:53 PM, Maciej Mrozowski wrote: After gathering some feedback, after addressing reported issues, now I feel it's ready for public consumption. especially when static-libs is being used more and more often. It's purpose is to become standard eclass for autotools build

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Security stabilisations

2010-07-17 Thread Petteri Räty
On 07/17/2010 05:51 PM, Christian Faulhammer wrote: Hi, Thilo Bangert bang...@gentoo.org: please avoid having stabilisation requests like http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=327877, blocking a security bug. That way, architecture teams may not see the severity directly and it slips,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Security stabilisations

2010-07-17 Thread Petteri Räty
On 07/17/2010 08:50 PM, Matti Bickel wrote: On 07/17/2010 07:02 PM, Petteri Räty wrote: Do stabilisations on the security bug so arch team members can skim through their stabilisation list by just looking for secur...@g.o to find the vulnerable packages. V-Li If you want things to happen

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: remove php4 from depend.php and others

2010-07-12 Thread Petteri Räty
On 07/12/2010 12:56 AM, Doug Goldstein wrote: I remember very clearly as you and I were both council members at the time. My point is that this discussion does not need to even happen and the council shouldn't even remotely be involved here. I assumed the best way to change policy would be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: remove php4 from depend.php and others

2010-07-11 Thread Petteri Räty
On 07/11/2010 08:02 AM, Doug Goldstein wrote: If I really need to go to the council with every change, considering it must be debated on the ML for at least X number of days prior to going to the council, I'd more likely just remove MythTV from the tree and maintain it in an overlay. I don't

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: remove php4 from depend.php and others

2010-07-11 Thread Petteri Räty
On 07/11/2010 07:37 PM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: Simply put, the council's purpose is not to say oh we have to stop development and have a 4 week debate about everything minor. The council's purpose is to help decide between different technical solutions and encourage people to

[gentoo-dev] QA warnings from eclasses

2010-07-11 Thread Petteri Räty
As previously discussed on gentoo-dev there's now a eqawarn function available in eutils.eclass. The function delegates to the Package Manager implementation if available. To see QA messages after emerge when using Portage you can add the following to your make.conf:

Re: [gentoo-dev] QA warnings from eclasses

2010-07-11 Thread Petteri Räty
On 07/11/2010 08:43 PM, Markos Chandras wrote: On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 08:31:56PM +0300, Petteri Räty wrote: As previously discussed on gentoo-dev there's now a eqawarn function available in eutils.eclass. The function delegates to the Package Manager implementation if available. To see QA

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: remove php4 from depend.php and others

2010-07-10 Thread Petteri Räty
On 07/10/2010 01:22 AM, Matti Bickel wrote: Hi, yet another patch from Ole in a bid to rid the php eclasses from some long forgotten code. The patches should be self-explanatory - just rip out everything related to dev-php4 :) Comments welcome. The standing policy is still not to

Re: [gentoo-dev] eqawarn for main tree

2010-07-10 Thread Petteri Räty
On 07/05/2010 09:19 PM, Mark Loeser wrote: As there was no further response and next EAPI isn't around the corner I propose getting the ball rolling with option 1. I will commit the patch next Sunday with needed documentation unless something comes up. Could you please give a description as

Re: [gentoo-dev] eqawarn for main tree

2010-07-10 Thread Petteri Räty
On 07/10/2010 08:40 PM, Paweł Hajdan, Jr. wrote: On 7/10/10 4:15 AM, Petteri Räty wrote: Attached is the patch I plan on pushing with the eclass commit. Just making sure... will the developer profile print the eqawarn messages by default on exit? Doesn't look like it. I use this in my

Re: [gentoo-dev] Minor changes in python.eclass and distutils.eclass

2010-07-06 Thread Petteri Räty
On 07/06/2010 02:18 AM, Jeroen Roovers wrote: On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 22:50:56 + Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto jmbsvice...@gentoo.org wrote: I'm not going to delve into the details that have been addressed all other this thread. Instead I'll just address one small issue. The use of *minor* in

Re: [gentoo-dev] Minor changes in python.eclass and distutils.eclass

2010-07-05 Thread Petteri Räty
On 07/05/2010 08:55 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote: El lun, 05-07-2010 a las 19:38 +0200, Harald van Dijk escribió: On Mon, Jul 05, 2010 at 07:01:27PM +0200, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: 2010-07-05 18:36:09 Tomáš Chvátal napisał(a): Dne 5.7.2010 18:34, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis

Re: [gentoo-dev] eqawarn for main tree

2010-07-05 Thread Petteri Räty
On 03/12/2010 11:27 PM, Zac Medico wrote: On 03/12/2010 11:39 AM, Petteri Räty wrote: In eclasses there's often use for outputting QA warnings for ebuild authors (at least in java and python could immediately make use of this). Currently Portage has eqawarn available but it's considered

Re: [gentoo-dev] Minor changes in python.eclass and distutils.eclass

2010-07-05 Thread Petteri Räty
On 07/05/2010 06:23 PM, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: These minor changes in python.eclass and distutils.eclass have been already reviewed on alias of Gentoo Python Project. It's recommended to be familiar with internals of current code before trying to understand these minor

Re: [gentoo-dev] Minor changes in python.eclass and distutils.eclass

2010-07-05 Thread Petteri Räty
On 07/05/2010 10:59 PM, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: I don't use indentation/quoting, which would violate any rules, but some people might try to enforce e.g. EAPI=3 instead of EAPI=3. You are implying you would never screw up accidentally. Regards, Petteri

Re: [gentoo-dev] FYI: Rules for distro-friendly packages

2010-06-25 Thread Petteri Räty
On 06/25/2010 11:17 PM, Enrico Weigelt wrote: Hi folks, I'm currently collecting a set of rules which upstream developers should follow to make distro maintainer's life easier. Comments welcomed :) There should be useful stuff here:

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

2010-06-21 Thread Petteri Räty
On 06/17/2010 11:29 PM, Sebastian Pipping wrote: Petteri, On 06/17/10 17:45, Petteri Räty wrote: We communicate in English but that doesn't mean we all the same cultural background. My native language doesn't do small talk and doesn't have a word for please. Of course when writing English

Re: [gentoo-dev] Council manifesto of sping

2010-06-21 Thread Petteri Räty
On 06/21/2010 07:33 PM, Sebastian Pipping wrote: Hello! My manifesto up here now: http://dev.gentoo.org/~sping/council-manifesto-2010-sping.txt - Building sites - Active Council - More direct democracy - New conflict resolution team (reforming DevRel) - Ownership and

[gentoo-dev] My Council manifest

2010-06-20 Thread Petteri Räty
On 19.6.2010 21.56, Roy Bamford wrote: Team, Everything is in place to allow voting in the above election commence as planned on June 20th at 00:00:00 UTC. I put an initial manifesto here: http://dev.gentoo.org/~betelgeuse/manifesto-2010.html I will take a second glance on it once I get

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

2010-06-17 Thread Petteri Räty
On 17.6.2010 2.00, Sebastian Pipping wrote: I would like to propose these fundamental changes to DevRel: Wrong mailing list. This thread belongs to gentoo-project. I also find it weird that you didn't consult the devrel alias before starting this thread but I have no objections to having

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

2010-06-17 Thread Petteri Räty
On 17.6.2010 17.00, Sebastian Pipping wrote: Petteri, On 06/17/10 09:52, Petteri Räty wrote: Wrong mailing list. This thread belongs to gentoo-project. that's what I am referring to with tone in Gentoo. I want the other 80% of you on the council. We communicate in English

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

2010-06-17 Thread Petteri Räty
On 17.6.2010 17.10, Sebastian Pipping wrote: Duncan, On 06/17/10 09:56, Duncan wrote: DevRel is understaffed. I've seen observations to the effect that most developers aren't interested in getting involved in that area, particularly in reference to the conflict resolution subgroup

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

2010-06-17 Thread Petteri Räty
On 17.6.2010 18.20, Ben de Groot wrote: On 17 June 2010 17:45, Petteri Räty betelge...@gentoo.org wrote: We communicate in English but that doesn't mean we all the same cultural background. My native language doesn't do small talk and doesn't have a word for please. I'm sorry

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion related with dropping keywords policy

2010-06-13 Thread Petteri Räty
On 06/11/2010 12:27 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote: From my point of view, I would prefer to: 1. Mask caps for net-wireless/bluez on affected arches, letting us to keep bluez keyworded. 2. Open two bug reports as done with current policy: one for keywording libcap-ng and other to check bluez works

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving unmaintained packages to Sunrise

2010-06-13 Thread Petteri Räty
On 06/13/2010 05:26 PM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: Wouldn't it be better to officially support moving unmaintained packages directly into Sunrise? In this case by 'unmaintained' I mean those which have open bugs assigned to 'maintainer-needed' for a long time, and are potentially a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council 2010/2011 - Nominations are now open

2010-06-12 Thread Petteri Räty
On 06/05/2010 03:41 PM, Maciej Mrozowski wrote: On Saturday 05 of June 2010 02:00:02 Torsten Veller wrote: Hello fellow developers and users. Nominations for the Gentoo Council 2010/2011 are now open for the next two weeks (until 23:59 UTC, 18/06/2010). All nominations must be sent to the

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Moving more developer data to LDAP, for scalability/redundancy (away, foward, permissive, SMTP password, plan) [WAS: Suggestion to ask devs to change their bugzilla name]

2010-06-11 Thread Petteri Räty
On 11.6.2010 6.27, Robin H. Johnson wrote: On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 07:07:53PM +0200, Pacho Ramos wrote: Currently, we only need to set a proper message in ~/.away (as talked in http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/roll-call/devaway.xml ) when becoming devaway. Related to integration of that,

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Moving more developer data to LDAP, for scalability/redundancy (away, foward, permissive, SMTP password, plan) [WAS: Suggestion to ask devs to change their bugzilla name]

2010-06-11 Thread Petteri Räty
On 11.6.2010 12.32, Thilo Bangert wrote: This thread belongs to gentoo-project. perhaps its time to reduce the number of mailinglists again. IMHO it doesnt hurt to have this thread on gentoo-dev and the volume of messages and their tone here has been sufficiently normal to again allow for

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Changes in python_mod_optimize(), python_mod_cleanup() and python_mod_compile()

2010-05-25 Thread Petteri Räty
On 05/25/2010 09:35 PM, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: - Not passing of paths to python_mod_optimize() and python_mod_cleanup() has been deprecated and will be disallowed on 2010-09-01. You should pass paths to Python modules to these functions. - python_mod_compile() has

Re: [gentoo-dev] autotools.eclass eautomake update

2010-05-25 Thread Petteri Räty
On 05/25/2010 01:17 AM, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Petteri Räty wrote: On 24.5.2010 23.51, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 4:44 AM, Petteri Räty wrote: On 24.5.2010 1.54, Mike Frysinger wrote: ive updated eautomake to run automake in a few more edge

Re: [gentoo-dev] autotools.eclass eautomake update

2010-05-25 Thread Petteri Räty
On 05/25/2010 11:12 PM, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Tuesday 25 May 2010 16:02:04 Petteri Räty wrote: Even if people don't have useful feedback sending the diff enables them to prepare for the upcoming changes and provide support to users if something goes wrong. which is irrelevant here

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Changes in python_mod_optimize(), python_mod_cleanup() and python_mod_compile()

2010-05-25 Thread Petteri Räty
On 05/26/2010 08:28 AM, Alec Warner wrote: On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Nirbheek Chauhan nirbh...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 2:19 AM, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis arfre...@gentoo.org wrote: 2010-05-25 21:11:44 Petteri Räty napisał(a): 1. Messages to gentoo-dev

Re: [gentoo-dev] autotools.eclass eautomake update

2010-05-24 Thread Petteri Räty
On 24.5.2010 1.54, Mike Frysinger wrote: ive updated eautomake to run automake in a few more edge cases. hopefully this doesnt break anything else (seems to not on my system), but who knows. if you see random eautoreconf/eautomake failure, try backing out the autotools.eclass change

Re: [gentoo-dev] autotools.eclass eautomake update

2010-05-24 Thread Petteri Räty
On 24.5.2010 23.51, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 4:44 AM, Petteri Räty wrote: On 24.5.2010 1.54, Mike Frysinger wrote: ive updated eautomake to run automake in a few more edge cases. hopefully this doesnt break anything else (seems to not on my system), but who knows

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] (infra) rsync updates and distfile fetching offline for next 12-18 hours.

2010-05-20 Thread Petteri Räty
On 20.5.2010 5.43, Robin H. Johnson wrote: On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 01:41:58AM +, Robin H. Johnson wrote: Most critically, osprey, the box that does CVS-rsync generation and master distfile fetching, has been affected. Osprey has returned to service. If you are using gentoo-dev please

Re: [gentoo-dev] About libpng-1.4 handling

2010-05-11 Thread Petteri Räty
On 05/11/2010 01:41 AM, Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote: lafilefixer is not the right tool for this. At least it's current scope is to replace usage of la files in la files, not to replace occurences of one lib with another. Plus the problem of lafilefixer not changing the hash of the installed

Re: [gentoo-dev] rc-update interface

2010-05-09 Thread Petteri Räty
On 05/09/2010 01:22 PM, Christopher Harvey wrote: I ran cat /sbin/rc-update and the script is copyright gentoo foundation, so I'm asking here if there is a programmatic interface to the script. I'd rather avoid parsing ascii to try to interpret the rc-update state. (This is for work on ventoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Requiring two sets of eyes for all eclass commits

2010-04-25 Thread Petteri Räty
On 04/25/2010 01:06 PM, Ryan Hill wrote: On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 20:40:54 +0300 Petteri Räty betelge...@gentoo.org wrote: What do you think about not allowing commits to eclasses without mentioning an another developer who has reviewed and approved the diff in the commit message? There's enough

Re: [gentoo-dev] Requiring two sets of eyes for all eclass commits

2010-04-25 Thread Petteri Räty
On 04/24/2010 09:14 PM, Alexis Ballier wrote: On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 20:40:54 +0300 Petteri Räty betelge...@gentoo.org wrote: 17:34 Betelgeuse robbat2|na: how easy to it to prevent commits to CVS if the commit message doesn't match a certain pattern? 17:36 @robbat2|na go and checkout

Re: [gentoo-dev] Requiring two sets of eyes for all eclass commits

2010-04-25 Thread Petteri Räty
On 04/26/2010 01:42 AM, Alistair Bush wrote: On 04/24/2010 09:14 PM, Alexis Ballier wrote: On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 20:40:54 +0300 Petteri Räty betelge...@gentoo.org wrote: 17:34 Betelgeuse robbat2|na: how easy to it to prevent commits to CVS if the commit message doesn't match a certain pattern

[gentoo-dev] Requiring two sets of eyes for all eclass commits

2010-04-24 Thread Petteri Räty
17:34 Betelgeuse robbat2|na: how easy to it to prevent commits to CVS if the commit message doesn't match a certain pattern? 17:36 @robbat2|na go and checkout the CVSROOT and there should be an example there 17:37 Betelgeuse robbat2|na: Ok so doable then. Thanks. What do you think about not

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Should we disable RESOLVED LATER from bugzilla?

2010-04-12 Thread Petteri Räty
On 04/12/2010 02:20 AM, Ryan Hill wrote: On Thu, 8 Apr 2010 00:13:41 +0200 Christian Faulhammer fa...@gentoo.org wrote: Petteri Räty betelge...@gentoo.org: I don't think later is valid resolution. If there's a valid bug it just means it's never looked at again. If the bug is not valid

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: virtual/icon-theme

2010-04-11 Thread Petteri Räty
On 04/11/2010 10:38 PM, Paweł Hajdan, Jr. wrote: What do you think about creating a new virtual package, icon-theme? This would for example simplify the dependencies for www-client/chromium, which currently uses this: What other packages would make use of the virtual? Regards, Petteri

Re: [gentoo-dev] Council meeting 19 April 2010

2010-04-10 Thread Petteri Räty
On 04/09/2010 05:51 PM, Dror Levin wrote: On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 21:05, Denis Dupeyron calc...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote: So all I'm asking is to do your job and make decisions on issues that affect all of Gentoo. The issues I

[gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Petteri Räty
As people seem to want the council to take action I offer to take action. As it's impossible for me to do everything myself I offer to act as a project manager/owner for people willing to donate their time to whatever I see worthy for Gentoo as whole like the web page redesign. Basically you tell

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Petteri Räty
On 04/10/2010 05:00 PM, Markos Chandras wrote: On Saturday 10 April 2010 16:53:48 Petteri Räty wrote: As people seem to want the council to take action I offer to take action. As it's impossible for me to do everything myself I offer to act as a project manager/owner for people willing

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Petteri Räty
On 04/10/2010 05:38 PM, Ben de Groot wrote: On 10 April 2010 15:53, Petteri Räty betelge...@gentoo.org wrote: As people seem to want the council to take action I offer to take action. As it's impossible for me to do everything myself I offer to act as a project manager/owner for people willing

Re: [gentoo-dev] Council meeting 19 April 2010

2010-04-10 Thread Petteri Räty
I was asked on #gentoo-council to respond to this post so I will. It should also be noted council members usually speak as individual members instead of for the council as a whole. On 04/07/2010 06:00 PM, Denis Dupeyron wrote: On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 8:23 AM, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote:

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Petteri Räty
On 04/10/2010 11:17 PM, Ben de Groot wrote: On 10 April 2010 21:27, Denis Dupeyron calc...@gentoo.org wrote: Ben, Petteri was proposing an idea. He is being creative You call that creative? It seems you don't know what the word means. You don't have to take any part in the experiment but

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Petteri Räty
On 04/10/2010 04:53 PM, Petteri Räty wrote: As people seem to want the council to take action I offer to take action. As it's impossible for me to do everything myself I offer to act as a project manager/owner for people willing to donate their time to whatever I see worthy for Gentoo as whole

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Petteri Räty
On 04/11/2010 12:18 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: On 10 April 2010 22:56, Petteri Räty betelge...@gentoo.org wrote: I guess I was hallucinating that I started the wiki project, which has been a popular request for as long as I can remember. I guess I imagined I worked together with Markos to start

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Petteri Räty
On 04/11/2010 12:37 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: On 10 April 2010 23:23, Petteri Räty betelge...@gentoo.org wrote: On 04/11/2010 12:18 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: Not if you think it is okay for Calchan to insult me the way he did. Could he have chosen better words - yes Were there errors in content

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Petteri Räty
On 04/11/2010 01:06 AM, Denis Dupeyron wrote: No mud slinging there but a fact. You can either ignore this kind of behavior and let them pollute our mailing lists, or you can point at them and say they won't be tolerated. I chose the latter. I mean things like immature political rantings

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Handling of keywording bugs with only one arch

2010-04-10 Thread Petteri Räty
On 04/11/2010 01:38 AM, Ryan Hill wrote: You ignored my point about this being completely moot once we start using flags in bugzilla for arch teams. We'll have to change the policy then to the maintainer being the assignee anyways. Then we will do it when that happens. Regards, Petteri

Re: [gentoo-dev] Council meeting 19 April 2010

2010-04-08 Thread Petteri Räty
On 04/07/2010 12:05 PM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: Next monthly council meeting will be at 19 April 2010, 18:00 UTC in #gentoo-council. If you have any topics you want us to discuss or even vote about, simply followup to this message. Ulrich Two things already discussed on this mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

2010-04-05 Thread Petteri Räty
On 04/05/2010 05:36 AM, Alistair Bush wrote: On 4/3/10 3:40 PM, Ben de Groot wrote: Are there any other ideas on how to improve our recruitment process? The idea appeared before, but I think it's worth noting. Either merge the ebuild and end quizzes, or make the split actually meaningful.

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

2010-04-05 Thread Petteri Räty
On 04/05/2010 09:26 PM, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote: The first option could be somewhat simple, we already have overlays so those could simply be used. The second option (which would be the best IMO) is a fair bit harder. The first thing that needs to be done is find out why people don't

Re: [gentoo-dev] Is Gentoo dying?

2010-04-04 Thread Petteri Räty
On 04/04/2010 04:48 AM, Joshua Saddler wrote: On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 11:16:32 +0200 Tobias Scherbaum dertobi...@gentoo.org wrote: - Our formerly outstanding documentation still is somewhat maintained, but that's it. I haven't seen any new additions (both to our docs, but also to our docs-team)

Re: [gentoo-dev] Should we disable RESOLVED LATER from bugzilla?

2010-04-04 Thread Petteri Räty
On 04/04/2010 12:35 AM, Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote: Le samedi 03 avril 2010 à 12:50 +0300, Petteri Räty a écrit : I don't think later is valid resolution. If there's a valid bug it just means it's never looked at again. If the bug is not valid then a different resolution should be used. So

Re: [gentoo-dev] Should we disable RESOLVED LATER from bugzilla?

2010-04-04 Thread Petteri Räty
On 04/04/2010 12:16 PM, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Petteri Räty betelge...@gentoo.org wrote: On 04/04/2010 12:35 AM, Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote: You are trying to remove a valid status for a case that has been badly managed ??? Speaking for gnome herd, afaik, all

Re: [gentoo-dev] Handling of keywording bugs with only one arch

2010-04-04 Thread Petteri Räty
On 04/01/2010 11:28 PM, Jeroen Roovers wrote: On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 17:07:26 +0200 Petteri Räty betelge...@gentoo.org wrote: On 03/27/2010 04:51 PM, Alex Alexander wrote: The only reason I don't really like this is because it breaks consistency. We have a ground rule, assign to maintainer

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

2010-04-04 Thread Petteri Räty
On 04/04/2010 12:48 AM, Sebastian Pipping wrote: On 04/03/10 21:00, Jesus Rivero (Neurogeek) wrote: Maybe if we could find the way to make the knowledge found in quizzes be more exciting to new devs, then we could still have a strong recruitment process without the burden of completing the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Is Gentoo dying?

2010-04-03 Thread Petteri Räty
On 04/03/2010 12:16 PM, Tobias Scherbaum wrote: - Infra: One might get the idea our Infra team is just Robin (yeah, sure there are more people, but ) ... things are happening slowly (no offend - I fully understand that those few can't dedicate more of their spare time to infra work!),

[gentoo-dev] Should we disable RESOLVED LATER from bugzilla?

2010-04-03 Thread Petteri Räty
I don't think later is valid resolution. If there's a valid bug it just means it's never looked at again. If the bug is not valid then a different resolution should be used. So what do you think about disabling later? I would like to avoid things like this:

Re: [gentoo-dev] Is Gentoo a Phoenix?

2010-04-03 Thread Petteri Räty
On 04/03/2010 02:33 PM, Richard Freeman wrote: I think the problem is that our recruitment process uses the ability to answer complex technical and organizational questions as a way to assess maturity. I think that maturity is far more important than technical skill in a distro - a mature

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

2010-04-03 Thread Petteri Räty
On 04/03/2010 04:40 PM, Ben de Groot wrote: Another problem I see is that our documentation seems to be scattered all over the place. I propose that we make at least one portal page for (prospective) developers that will link them to all the resources they might need. It also means our

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

2010-04-03 Thread Petteri Räty
On 04/03/2010 04:53 PM, George Prowse wrote: Armed with a list of where developers are spread too thinly, a willingness to answer questions (no matter how stupid you believe them to be) and some prior organisation then i see no reason why Gentoo wouldn't get an immediate influx of at least

Re: [gentoo-dev] Should we disable RESOLVED LATER from bugzilla?

2010-04-03 Thread Petteri Räty
On 04/03/2010 06:25 PM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: On 03-04-2010 09:50, Petteri Räty wrote: I don't think later is valid resolution. If there's a valid bug it just means it's never looked at again. If the bug is not valid then a different resolution should be used. So what do you think

Re: [gentoo-dev] Should we disable RESOLVED LATER from bugzilla?

2010-04-03 Thread Petteri Räty
On 04/03/2010 08:54 PM, Alec Warner wrote: On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 10:10 AM, Petteri Räty betelge...@gentoo.org wrote: On 04/03/2010 06:25 PM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: On 03-04-2010 09:50, Petteri Räty wrote: I don't think later is valid resolution. If there's a valid bug it just

Re: usemove [was Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: changing ssl use flag descriptions and unify behaviour]

2010-03-28 Thread Petteri Räty
On 03/28/2010 09:27 AM, Brian Harring wrote: On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 01:03:43AM -0500, Doug Goldstein wrote: I seriously hate changing USE flags for the sake of changing use flags. This provides a moderate amount of annoyance for anyone that maintains more then one Gentoo box because they need

Re: [gentoo-dev] Handling of keywording bugs with only one arch

2010-03-27 Thread Petteri Räty
On 03/12/2010 09:18 PM, Petteri Räty wrote: There seems to be two different schools on who to assign a keywording bug with only a single arch. I have myself assigned it to the arch in question but there's a difference of opinion here: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=272160#c5 Let's get

Re: [gentoo-dev] when to use a function and an implementation use flag.

2010-03-27 Thread Petteri Räty
On 03/24/2010 08:30 PM, Peter Hjalmarsson wrote: For qemu-kvm the problem is that there is only one implementation (i.e. gnutls), and if I want to have ssl support I have to enable gnutls for this package. In this case the ebuild should have only ssl use flag. When I wrote a bug about this

[gentoo-dev] RFC: changing ssl use flag descriptions and unify behavior

2010-03-27 Thread Petteri Räty
See this thread for background: http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_0673a33fe75961e510872fd2c1044ced.xml I think we should go through all the ssl use flag using packages and unify the use flag descriptions and behavior to the following standing policy (handed down probably): 1) packages

Re: [gentoo-dev] Handling of keywording bugs with only one arch

2010-03-27 Thread Petteri Räty
On 03/27/2010 04:51 PM, Alex Alexander wrote: The only reason I don't really like this is because it breaks consistency. We have a ground rule, assign to maintainer, CC arch(es). Why make it more complicated? I have a feeling people will continue CCing arches out of habit. I don't think we

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages pulling in python-3*, also they dont require it

2010-03-19 Thread Petteri Räty
On 19.3.2010 11.35, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: I can add python2 USE flag (enabled by default) to some versions of dev-lang/python. With USE=-python2, Python 2 will not be required and Python 3 will be set as main active version of Python. You should move to the same

[gentoo-dev] RFC: turn on udev use flag by default

2010-03-19 Thread Petteri Räty
Any objections to turning on the udev use flag by default in the base profile? Regards, Petteri signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: turn on udev use flag by default

2010-03-19 Thread Petteri Räty
On 03/19/2010 04:04 PM, Fabian Groffen wrote: On 19-03-2010 15:59:07 +0200, Petteri Räty wrote: Any objections to turning on the udev use flag by default in the base profile? Yeah, can we just do it in the Linux profiles only somewhere? If udev doesn't work on the system, the flag

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: turn on udev use flag by default

2010-03-19 Thread Petteri Räty
On 03/19/2010 07:25 PM, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Friday 19 March 2010 10:07:59 Petteri Räty wrote: On 03/19/2010 04:04 PM, Fabian Groffen wrote: On 19-03-2010 15:59:07 +0200, Petteri Räty wrote: Any objections to turning on the udev use flag by default in the base profile? Yeah, can we just

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages pulling in python-3*, also they dont require it

2010-03-18 Thread Petteri Räty
On 03/18/2010 09:43 PM, Thomas Sachau wrote: So my vote goes for changing the dependency strings for affected packages. Here's some thoughts on the matter: - dev-lang/python is correct if the package works with all python versions in tree - in general we want new slots of packages like gcc

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages pulling in python-3*, also they dont require it

2010-03-18 Thread Petteri Räty
On 03/18/2010 10:10 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 22:02:38 +0200 Petteri Räty betelge...@gentoo.org wrote: Here's how we could change Portage behavior for pulling new slots that are not strictly required: - for packages in the world file install as soon as available

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages pulling in python-3*, also they dont require it

2010-03-18 Thread Petteri Räty
On 03/18/2010 10:21 PM, Thomas Sachau wrote: On 03/18/2010 09:02 PM, Petteri Räty wrote: On 03/18/2010 09:43 PM, Thomas Sachau wrote: So my vote goes for changing the dependency strings for affected packages. Here's some thoughts on the matter: - dev-lang/python is correct if the package

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Handling of keywording bugs with only one arch

2010-03-14 Thread Petteri Räty
On 03/14/2010 10:56 AM, Ryan Hill wrote: On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:07:41 +0200 Petteri Räty betelge...@gentoo.org wrote: When a bug is marked as fixed it doesn't show up in searches developers use so it's a matter of who reads the email and acts upon it. I don't see why maintainers would

Re: [gentoo-dev] Handling of keywording bugs with only one arch

2010-03-13 Thread Petteri Räty
On 03/12/2010 10:11 PM, Jeremy Olexa wrote: On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 21:18:03 +0200, Petteri Räty betelge...@gentoo.org wrote: There seems to be two different schools on who to assign a keywording bug with only a single arch. I have myself assigned it to the arch in question but there's

Re: [gentoo-dev] Handling of keywording bugs with only one arch

2010-03-13 Thread Petteri Räty
On 03/12/2010 11:47 PM, William Hubbs wrote: Since all the arch team does is stabilize or keyword, the maintainer needs to know if other issues come up with the bug after it is closed. The maintainer is the reporter or in Cc. Regards, Petteri signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital

Re: [gentoo-dev] Handling of keywording bugs with only one arch

2010-03-13 Thread Petteri Räty
On 03/13/2010 07:21 PM, Samuli Suominen wrote: On 03/13/2010 07:07 PM, Petteri Räty wrote: When a bug is marked as fixed it doesn't show up in searches developers use so it's a matter of who reads the email and acts upon it. I don't see why maintainers would be any more likely to act than

Re: [gentoo-dev] eqawarn for main tree

2010-03-13 Thread Petteri Räty
On 03/12/2010 11:27 PM, Zac Medico wrote: On 03/12/2010 11:39 AM, Petteri Räty wrote: In eclasses there's often use for outputting QA warnings for ebuild authors (at least in java and python could immediately make use of this). Currently Portage has eqawarn available but it's considered

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