Re: [gentoo-dev] Little respect towards Daniel please

2007-03-04 Thread Stuart Herbert
Hi Daniel, On 3/4/07, Daniel Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Just as a note, I've resigned as a Gentoo dev so I'm going to at some point today unsubscribe from -dev and stop replying to -dev emails. -Daniel Thanks for trying, but Gentoo just has too many folks who don't understand the issu

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Versioning the tree

2006-11-29 Thread Stuart Herbert
Hi, On 11/29/06, Bo Ørsted Andresen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Maybe you should read the replies you got the first time you made this claim on this list [1]. Many thanks for these links. I didn't see your original email. Best regards, Stu -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Versioning the tree

2006-11-29 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 11/29/06, Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm sorry, but how the hell do you know? You are not a member of Release Engineering, and have *NO CLUE* what we do over there. What we release isn't the only thing we do. Then this is a great opportunity to set the record straight, by

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Versioning the tree

2006-11-29 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 11/29/06, Mike Doty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Stuart Herbert wrote: I have a couple of locations where I could store backups, depending on size and projected growth. I suppose it'll have to wait until 2007.0 though so we can actually gage it as opposed to speculating wildly.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Versioning the tree

2006-11-29 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 11/29/06, Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What are the arrangements should you go under a bus on the way home > from work tonight? You'd like that, wouldn't you? That was _completely_ uncalled for. "go under a bus" is just a phrase that's commonly used here in the UK (because

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Versioning the tree

2006-11-29 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 11/29/06, Andrew Gaffney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From other developers, most of which were releng members? I get most of mine from users, who are normally kind enough to submit the required patches at the same time. It's stupid to "blame" releng for the stabilization of gcc-4.1.1. We

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Versioning the tree

2006-11-29 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 11/29/06, Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: As of this release, I kept a copy of all of the distfiles for the entire release, and can make a DVD of it, on request. This fulfills our requirements with the GPL. What are the arrangements should you go under a bus on the way home from

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Versioning the tree

2006-11-29 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 11/29/06, Andrew Gaffney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The 3-4 weeks of releng filing a ton of "doesn't build with gcc-4.1.1" bugs wasn't a big enough clue? :) No. We get those all the time; there's always someone trying out an unsupported release of gcc. Also, the arch teams (or at least th

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Versioning the tree

2006-11-29 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 11/28/06, Andrew Gaffney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You make it sound like releng doesn't care at all about non-desktop packages. That wasn't how it was meant. Was simply meant as a statement of fact. Releng activities are currently exclusively desktop-oriented. Until that changes, releng

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Versioning the tree

2006-11-28 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 11/28/06, Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: As I have said, I've mentioned several times the idea of doing a "release tree" to go along with each release. The release tree is not the basis for this. a) Releases (and the releng work that goes into it) are exclusively desktop-orient

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Versioning the tree

2006-11-27 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 11/27/06, paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You can't take workload out of the picture since it's the main issue here. Stable tree means backport fixes and I don't see this happening as it can't be automated: "Stable tree means backport fixes" is an assumption, not a requirement. It's one rea

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for November

2006-11-08 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 11/8/06, Steve Long <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What I was wondering about was what mechanism you might use to provide those binary packages; would other devs also be contributing? Or is there simply nothing that might be useful for a binary distro? Wrt the Seeds project, it's too early to ha

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Patent threat?

2006-11-07 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 11/7/06, Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: No devs get paid directly for working on Gentoo -- they are all volunteers. That statement may or may not be true. We don't require Gentoo developers to disclose this information, so it's always possible that some Gentoo developers are paid to work

Re: [gentoo-dev] Patent threat?

2006-11-07 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 11/7/06, Jeff Rollin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'd like to ask how many Gentoo devs get paid for contributions to Gentoo? How many of you (paid or non-paid) think MS's threat to sue over patents is a real danger? I think this is a non-issue until Microsoft issues a direct threat (or litigat

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for November

2006-11-07 Thread Stuart Herbert
binary packages need to be built as a set, to be sure that there is no ABI breakage going on. Stuart Herbert wrote: > If the Seeds project proves successful, I'd be interested in providing > binary packages for seeds. Whether that'll be as part of Gentoo, or > whether it'

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for November

2006-11-04 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 11/3/06, Grant Goodyear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Steve Long wrote: [Fri Nov 03 2006, 02:47:52AM CST] > The main problem I see is USE flags (devs already > compile with standard C-flags right?) but I was thinking about standardising > for 2 or 3 types of network- SOHO, medium and large enterp

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retirement

2006-11-04 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 11/3/06, Jon Portnoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I've been mostly inactive for a good while but hanging on mostly for sentimentality's sake, it's past time for that to stop. It's a damn shame to see you go. I guess most of today's devs won't know or appreciate just how much you've done for G

Re: [gentoo-dev] Only you can prevent broken portage trees

2006-10-31 Thread Stuart Herbert
Hi Chris, On 10/31/06, Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, 2006-10-31 at 17:02 +0100, Stuart Herbert wrote: > 3) ?? Get your hands on some of the minority arch hardware and help out? It's a good idea. It's not an option for me, but hopefully others will

Re: [gentoo-dev] Only you can prevent broken portage trees

2006-10-31 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 10/31/06, Stephen Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Having a system that actually works is usually reckoned to be more important than patching minor security holes on architectures that aren't security-supported anyway. On systems that are almost never used in production or in externally visi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Only you can prevent broken portage trees

2006-10-31 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 10/31/06, Stephen P. Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You do realize that Ciaran *was* a member of several arch teams, right? Of course. But "was" _is_ the operative word. It's not like I'm asking for him to be banned from the Gentoo mailing lists or anything. Chill, ffs. Arch team leade

Re: [gentoo-dev] Only you can prevent broken portage trees

2006-10-31 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 10/31/06, Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Uh, security bugs are not the highest priority. Would it be possible to have some arch team leaders join in this debate? Atm, it just seems to be bouncing back and forwards between package maintainers asking questions, and a Gentoo user f

[gentoo-dev] Gentoo group on Flickr - repost from pl.g.o

2006-10-31 Thread Stuart Herbert
Reposted from http://planet.gentoo.org for the devs who live in caves^H^H^Hdon't read planet.gentoo.org. Best regards, Stu -- http://www.flickr.com/groups/gentoo/ Whilst sat here this morning waiting for the NX packages to build, it occured to me that we don't have our own group on Flickr. Bit

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing the metastructure (was: [Council] Summary of the last meeting)

2006-10-25 Thread Stuart Herbert
Hi Chris, On 10/25/06, Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think the likely best way would be to do something like: [snip] Yeah, that works for me. Best regards, Stu -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing the metastructure (was: [Council] Summary of the last meeting)

2006-10-25 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 10/25/06, Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The Council has already done so, with the addition of the final bullet point in Specification list B. Thanks for pointing that out. Best regards, Stu -- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing the metastructure (was: [Council] Summary of the last meeting)

2006-10-25 Thread Stuart Herbert
Hi Chris, On 10/25/06, Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well, let's make it simpler, then. Does it say anywhere in GLEP 39 that the elected Council cannot change it? Does it limit the council's powers in any way? No, it does not. That's why I've asked for a discussion of this as

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing the metastructure (was: [Council] Summary of the last meeting)

2006-10-25 Thread Stuart Herbert
Hi Chris, On 10/25/06, Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Also, I'd like to know what you would propose we do if we were to follow something like this. Would we post something like GLEP 39a, as an amendment to GLEP 39, or would we have to rewrite the whole thing, with just the one chan

[gentoo-dev] Changing the metastructure (was: [Council] Summary of the last meeting)

2006-10-25 Thread Stuart Herbert
Hi, On 10/25/06, Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Danny van Dyk wrote: > Design phase for new projects: New projects need to post an RFC >containing information about their goals, the plan on how to >implement their goals and the necessary resources to -dev prior to >creat

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New Devrel Subproject: Gentoo Devmatch

2006-10-23 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 10/23/06, Caleb Cushing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Weapons allowed? melee weapons only, maybe? Guns for show; knives for a pro. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-nfp] New Trustees - My Resignation

2006-10-23 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 10/23/06, Seemant Kulleen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dear All (specifically, the voting members of the foundation), Thank you all so much for expressing your confidence in me with the most recent Trustee elections. I fear, however, that for personal reasons I will be unable to assume my posi

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-nfp] New Trustees - My Resignation

2006-10-23 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 10/23/06, Stuart Herbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Anyone know where I can find a copy of the Foundation's by-laws, to see what it says about this situation? Never mind, I found them [1]. Section 5.7 says that the remaining Trustees can vote in a replacement for Seemant.

Re: [gentoo-dev] New Devrel Subproject: Gentoo Devmatch

2006-10-23 Thread Stuart Herbert
tp://www.find-me-a-gift.co.uk/gifts-for-men/unusual-gadgets/inflatable-sumo-costume.html Best regards, Stu -- -- Stuart Herbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Developer http://www.gentoo.org/

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-17 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 10/17/06, Stephen Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: There is no analogy to be made there. Arguing against carrying profile metadata in IUSE is trying to prevent a design decision, not trying to work around one by forcing extra work on people. There seems to be very little support for your p

Re: [gentoo-dev] *plop*

2006-10-13 Thread Stuart Herbert
Hi Thierry, On 10/13/06, Thierry Carrez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello everyone, I think the time has come for me to leave this project after two and a half years of service. Congrats on the new family. And many thanks for everything you've done for Gentoo during your time as a dev. Here'

[gentoo-dev] Proposed new USE-EXPAND: 'SEEDS_EXTRA'

2006-10-13 Thread Stuart Herbert
those changes to affect the SEEDS_EXTRA USE-EXPAND. Best regards, Stu -- Stuart Herbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Developer http://www.gentoo.org/ http://blog.stuartherber

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-13 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 10/13/06, Stephen Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The examples he gave were of flags that should be enabled by default for every package that uses them. Even if that's just one or two packages, there's no reason not to put them in global defaults. That's one way. I know some folks prefer

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-13 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 10/13/06, Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Except that a USE flag's state isn't metadata. It's something that comes from the profile. The default USE flags, enabled to reflect the same results as running ./configure w/ no enable/disable flags, _is_ metadata; metadata about an indiv

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-13 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 10/13/06, Stephen Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sure they do. They should be enabled by default, so put them in the place where the default USE flags are set. They should be enabled by default _only_ for the package that needs them enabled. Support for package.use in profiles gives us

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-13 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 10/13/06, Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yeah, the big picture here is that make.defaults has been bloated by use flags needed/relevant for one or two ebuilds only for quite some time and users and devs alike have been ranting about the same for quite some time... I believe Ciaran's sa

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-13 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 10/13/06, Paul de Vrieze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I would go for the EAPI bump. Even then I think it would be smart to wait a short while for packages to use this as we ensure that the supporting portage version is stable. +1 from me on that. Best regards, Stu -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mai

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-13 Thread Stuart Herbert
Hi Zac, On 10/13/06, Zac Medico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I've written a patch for portage [1] that implements per-package default USE flags at both the ebuild and profile levels (discussed a couple of months ago [2] on this list). At the ebuild level, default flags are specified in IUSE with

Re: [gentoo-dev] a new TLP to "unify" programming langiages?

2006-10-13 Thread Stuart Herbert
Hi George, On 10/13/06, George Shapovalov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The suggested projects are: Projects to be moved (tentative, may opt out): Common Lisp java perl php python The PHP team will be opting out. Best regards, Stu -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42?

2006-10-12 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 10/11/06, Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Not an issue for me. It's an issue for random people writing scripts, for people using command line things and for people who don't want to use a full parser framework for some quick hack. There's no need to make things harder for random dev

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42?

2006-10-12 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 10/11/06, Stephen Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We also use space-delimited depend atoms everywhere else. It makes no sense to break that when a comma works equally well. I'm sorry, are you telling everyone that it's too difficult for you to write an ungreedy regex that also tests for t

Re: [gentoo-dev] a new TLP to "unify" programming langiages?

2006-10-12 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 10/12/06, George Shapovalov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Funnily I already got questions like "is this thing only to move stuff around? I would be all for it if it had a bit more meat". I added that PPS expecting questions like that would be asked. Of course, realistically I do not think anythin

Re: [gentoo-dev] a new TLP to "unify" programming langiages?

2006-10-11 Thread Stuart Herbert
Hi George, On 10/11/06, George Shapovalov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi gang. As I looked for a place where to put some documentation naturally falling in a "project domain" for Ada, I realized that we have TLPs for many individual (programming) languages. First I though to ping some people on

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42?

2006-10-11 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 10/11/06, Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Spaces in dep atoms would be highly evil, since it'd mean they were no longer simply space delimited. Commas [foo,-bar,baz] would be fine... Write a better parser then :P We use space-delimited USE flags everywhere else. It would make a

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42?

2006-10-11 Thread Stuart Herbert
Hi Zac, This is all good news. On 10/11/06, Zac Medico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 2) Default USE flags at the ebuild and/or profile level [2]. This one would be very very useful for Seeds, if we can set per-ebuild USE flags at the profile level. Best regards, Stu -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mai

[gentoo-dev] GLEP 42?

2006-10-11 Thread Stuart Herbert
Hi, Whatever happened to the work to implement GLEP 42? Is there anyone actively working on this atm? Best regards, Stu -- -- Stuart Herbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Developer http://www.gentoo.org

Re: [gentoo-dev] Missing: Universal-CD - Gentoo discriminates shell and networkless users

2006-10-10 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 10/10/06, Seemant Kulleen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If the design was in any way user-centric, then that was a side-effect of the design being developer-centric. The choices are all about enabling development and developers. The Gentoo philosophy is about empowerment -- we provide a platform

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: multiple inheritance support for profiles, Round 2

2006-10-08 Thread Stuart Herbert
Hi Danny, On 10/8/06, Danny van Dyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I for one favour a more flattened profiles/ and a way to mark a profile as 'not standalone', similar to a deprecated file, that isn't inherited, to stop users biting their own asses. The following sample is not complete, but should g

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: multiple inheritance support for profiles, Round 2

2006-10-08 Thread Stuart Herbert
Hi Zac, On 10/8/06, Zac Medico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm only proposing that we add support to portage now because it seems like it will be useful in the future. How and when people make use of this support does not concern me much. Zac I believe that multiple parent support would be us

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resignation

2006-10-07 Thread Stuart Herbert
Hi Tim, On 10/7/06, Tim Yamin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I would like to wish all of you the very best, and would like to thank all of you who have (and haven't) made my time here so enjoyable. All the very best with whatever you do next. It's been a real pleasure working with you on Gentoo,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo World Domination. a 10 step guide

2006-10-06 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 10/7/06, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If anyone had still any doubt about this, he can easily try to tweak a release :P I've been doing releng-like work lately to build Gentoo/FreeBSD stages with catalyst and I have to say that releng is doing a heck of an hard job to p

Re: [gentoo-dev] [DOWNTIME devmanual.gentoo.org]

2006-10-06 Thread Stuart Herbert
Hi Ciaran, On 10/6/06, Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Meh, but since this has been brought out in public, here's the full text. Hopefully it'll help dispel some of the fud a few people are spreading: Anyone spreading FUD over this issue should be ashamed of themselves. The whole f/

[gentoo-dev] o.g.o: planet upgraded

2006-10-06 Thread Stuart Herbert
Hi, Just a note to say that I've upgraded overlay.gentoo.org's copy of Planet to the latest nightly release. (We use Planet to generate o.g.o's front page). If you notice any problems, please let me know. Best regards, Stu -- Stuart Herbert

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo World Domination. a 10 step guide

2006-10-04 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 10/4/06, Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Work is done in the overlays, tested, improved, then committed into the main tree once the kinks have been worked out. We get a stronger core tree with fewer "developers" and a better interaction with the community. And a Gentoo that's so

[gentoo-dev] LAMP Server beauty contest: server monitoring

2006-10-01 Thread Stuart Herbert
Hi, One of the things that the LAMP Server seed will install will be something to do automatic server monitoring - CPU, RAM, swap, disk space, bandwidth, and so on. I'm a cacti user myself on my own boxes, but I'm interested to hear if anyone has any strong preference for an alternative tool. I

Re: [gentoo-dev] The Seed Project - Try 2

2006-09-21 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 9/21/06, Lance Albertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Stuart: When you get a chance, can you please either message me on irc or send em an email with your thoughts on how hosting might work so we can start planning that? Lance: Will do. Everyone else: Please stop speculating about how we're g

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 9/21/06, Luca Barbato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Could you please planning something about acting as liason between projects touched by seeds? E.G. random guy starts contributing a media seed, I'd like to be notified and maybe have also x11 people notified, just in case the seed overlay is do

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 9/20/06, Andrew Gaffney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well, now it's gotten to the point where people are being sneaky and underhanded about this whole thing. Stuart (I believe) said that they had talked to members of releng about this, but the truth seems to be that Stuart talked with rocket and

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 9/20/06, Danny van Dyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: As long as we have no package sets support in portage, I do indeed think that this is the best way to go. Didn't realize that you mentioned it, too. @Stuart: What do you think? Right now, I'm not too concerned about the lack of package set su

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 9/20/06, Danny van Dyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Stuart, The pages are correct. Cool. He didn't called you a liar. "You haven't spoken to anyone on the genkernel or catalyst development teams." - was in response to me saying that I had. It's difficult to interpret that as anything

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 9/20/06, Matthew Marlowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 3) We are where we are at today. Stuart comes up with a great idea for the seeds project which might help address the virtualization address image and it appears releng doesnt like it, so progress could be delayed by another 6 months to year

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 9/20/06, Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Catalyst doesn't provide ongoing maintenance or migration of installed > systems ... you need more than just a spec file for one of these seeds. Like what? It sounds like they aren't providing anything but tarballs. Tarballs, VMware im

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 9/20/06, Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Uhh... "seeds"? Yes, seeds. Seems to describe what we're working towards as well as any other name. "bring the work to the main tree"? As in... duplicate functionality already provided by catalyst for quite some time? No. As in, bri

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 9/20/06, Daniel Ostrow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wed, 2006-09-20 at 00:56 +0200, Carsten Lohrke wrote: > First step should imho be, that you work with the Portage team on having > proper set support implemented. Current meta ebuilds do suck, really. No need for meta ebuilds...stage4 specs

Re: Fw: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-19 Thread Stuart Herbert
Hi Matt, On 9/19/06, Matthew Marlowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Can we integrate this somehow with a project (new?) to build ready-to-use vmware or xen images? It would be silly to duplicate the work, and testing would be much better this way. Sure. For the moment, we're focusing on getting

[gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-19 Thread Stuart Herbert
j/en/seeds/ [2] http://overlays.gentoo.org/proj/seeds/ Best regards, Stu -- Stuart Herbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Developer http://www.gentoo.org/ http://blog.stuartherbert.co

Re: [gentoo-dev] KDE and Ruby herd call for help

2006-09-15 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 9/14/06, Doug Goldstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Caleb, > > > question... gem is the "official" package manager for Ruby. Why do we > put Ruby stuff, other than the bare minimums to get Ruby running, in the > portage tree? Why not just let gem handle it? > I favor this the same way I fa

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for www-apps/drupal

2006-09-11 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 9/11/06, Roy Marples <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm more than happy for you to take Drupal instead of me :) However, is there any reason that the main drupal ebuild cannot stay in portage? No reason at all, that I know of. Drupal's a package I can't really work on; I work for a company that

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for www-apps/drupal

2006-09-11 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 9/10/06, Luca Barbato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Alec Warner wrote: upstream for that reason Upstream sucks badly here. us because we haven't a tool like the one BaSS wrote for the ebooks. Such a tool would deal with many modules, but not all of them. Some modules require additional dep

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for www-apps/drupal

2006-09-11 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 9/11/06, Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Uhm, web-apps has been CCed on the bug since the beginning. Last time I asked, noone wanted to touch the FUBARed ebuild, IIRC. :) The package was masked without Christel (on behalf of QA) posting an advance warning of their actions. That's not t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for www-apps/drupal

2006-09-11 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 9/9/06, Christel Dahlskjaer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Drupal has had QA bug #98542 open for over a year now, and has seen no progress in resolving it. It has now been package.masked, and unless someone jumps up to fix the outstanding issues will be removed in 30 days. Why didn't you escalat

Re: [gentoo-dev] Looking for a confcache maintainer

2006-09-11 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 9/8/06, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: After sending this mail, I'll be removing myself from the metadata of dev-util/confcache ; I've tried maintaining the ebuild and supporting confcache usage in Gentoo, but I'm unable to proceed with this task. I'll take it back. Be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: packages going into the tree with non-gentoo maintainers

2006-09-07 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 9/7/06, Carsten Lohrke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: How wonderful this sort of "maintenance" is you can read here: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146626 Am I the only one who has a problem with this? No. And I'm sure I'm not the only one who has a problem with your comment in that

Re: [gentoo-core] Re: [gentoo-dev] Global USE flags bite the dust...

2006-09-06 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 9/6/06, Alin Nastac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Doug Goldstein wrote: > dba > dio > ingres > msession > mcve > > are all used by 1 ebuild... and that's dev-lang/php... they should be > moved to local's. > > Consequence: php eclasses code should be moved in dev-lang/php ebuild. Please don't do

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Trustees Announcement

2006-09-06 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 9/6/06, Stephen P. Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Actually, I *think* he was trying to ask why Stuart feels that he can take on the responsibility of being a trustee if he felt that he didn't have the time to take on the responsibility of being a council member. I also must admit that I'm c

Re: [gentoo-dev] Trustees Announcement

2006-09-05 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 9/5/06, Stephen P. Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I just remembered something. Didn't Stuart say that he planned on leaving Gentoo when he was nominated for the Council recently (and declined)? Yes I did. There are a few things I want to achieve before I leave; being on the Council woul

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo 2006.1

2006-09-03 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 9/3/06, Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Because the thought that stable is always "stable" or that because we released things are "stable" is incorrect ;) You're not supposed to break the stable tree; that surely must include stabilising a compiler (which is the _default_ for new inst

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo 2006.1

2006-09-03 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 9/3/06, Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: in the end GCC-4.1 going stable is up to releng and arch teams (heck it doesn't technically have to go stable on all arches). So who "screwed up" in this case? Well, for a package like PHP, the package maintainers take responsibility for ensuri

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo 2006.1

2006-09-03 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 9/3/06, Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: And no one has implemented any kind of solution. You need someone to implement a solution? Surely what we need is for folks to actually make an announcement in the first place? I asked for what has become GLEP 42 because we do have a problem r

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo 2006.1

2006-09-02 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 9/2/06, Dan Meltzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 9/2/06, Stuart Herbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 9/2/06, Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Give us about 3000 more developers, and sure* ;) > > I don't think that that's good thing to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Paid support

2006-09-02 Thread Stuart Herbert
Hi, On 9/2/06, Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It might be worth putting together a list of folks interested in doing this on the Gentoo website, under a Third-party Paid Support section. We already have a Support link on the top of www.g.o, it could be on that page. This is a good

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo 2006.1

2006-09-02 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 9/2/06, Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Give us about 3000 more developers, and sure* ;) I don't think that that's good thing to be saying to our users. We didn't need 3000 more developers ... we just needed to give the developers we have more reasonable notice. This is the second t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-08-25 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 8/24/06, Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A distribution is more than just an entity that packages upstream tarballs. I agree with your point, but it misses a large chunk of what we do. We do more than that, sure, but the vast majority of the day to day work in Gentoo is exactly th

Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-08-25 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 8/24/06, Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A distribution is more than just an entity that packages upstream tarballs. I agree with your point, but it misses a large chunk of what we do. We do more than that, sure, but the vast majority of the day to day work in Gentoo is exactly th

Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-08-24 Thread Stuart Herbert
Hi Donnie, On 8/24/06, Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I started my fourth year as a Gentoo developer in June, and Gentoo's changed a lot since I started back in 2003. We've become a drastically more democratic organization. But the question remains — _Is this a good thing?_ Oh yes.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for August

2006-08-15 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 8/14/06, Thierry Carrez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The Council will meet on Thursday, August 17, 1900 UTC. AFAICT agenda is at the moment empty. Here's something I'd like to see the council address. We've just had baselayout-1.12 go stable. You might have missed this, because there's no an

Re: [gentoo-dev] per-package USE defaults

2006-08-08 Thread Stuart Herbert
Hi Zac, On 8/8/06, Zac Medico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stuart Herbert wrote: > Any chance of per-package USE defaults support? That's much more useful > to me. Attached to bug 61732 there's a patch that implements this vi

Re: [gentoo-dev] use.force as a complement to use.mask in profiles

2006-08-08 Thread Stuart Herbert
Hi Zac, On 8/8/06, Zac Medico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi everyone, I've written a patch [1] that implements support for use.force and package.use.force as originally described by Sven Wegener [2] over a year ago. Basically, this feature is the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Endless frustrations again :(

2006-08-08 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 8/7/06, Enrico Weigelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Okay, you simply don't want to talk or even think about this issue. You have had lots of help from many different Gentoo developers and users on your recent issues. All of these people are volunteers, and have given their time and experti

[gentoo-dev] Gentoo Overlays: Status Report

2006-08-04 Thread Stuart Herbert
he service, but before we do, I thought it'd be a good idea to get feedback from the wider dev community. Best regards, Stu -- [1] http://overlays.gentoo.org [2] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/overlays/devguide.xml [3] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/overlays/usersguide.xm

Re: [gentoo-dev] www-apps/wordpress

2006-08-04 Thread Stuart Herbert
Hi, On 8/4/06, Aaron Kulbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I am the current maintainer of WordPress. Let's just say I've lost interest in maintaining it. At this point, I don't even use it any more, other than to test out new builds on my system, when a bump is required. I have switched over to ano

Re: [gentoo-dev] logwatch needs love

2006-08-01 Thread Stuart Herbert
Hi Mike, On 8/1/06, Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: i'm tired of looking at this package, anyone care about this thing enough to be its maintainer ? -mike I'll take it, if no-one else wants it. Best regards, Stu -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Funding from Gentoo UK 2006 event

2006-07-25 Thread Stuart Herbert
Lisa Seelye wrote: > Is there any news on a 2007 event? This time, really, I promise I'll be > in the country to attend! No, and you won't hear anything from me. I won't be in the country. Daniel Someone needs to step up and volunteer to organise next year's conference. Dunno about other folk

Re: [gentoo-dev] New category: net-voip

2006-07-23 Thread Stuart Herbert
ory. Just adding an alias into a second category makes the tree more of a mess - not less. Best regards, Stu -- Stuart Herbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Developer http://www.gentoo.org/

Re: [gentoo-dev] New category: net-voip

2006-07-23 Thread Stuart Herbert
Best regards, Stu -- Stuart Herbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Developer http://www.gentoo.org/ http://blog.stuartherbert.com/ GnuPG key id# F9AFC57C available from http://pgp.mit.ed

Re: [gentoo-dev] architectures which support Java

2006-07-21 Thread Stuart Herbert
Hi Mike, On 7/21/06, Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: in Gentoo or in general ? in general, kaffe should support pretty much all our arches, but in Gentoo, i dont have time to get it working for: Last time I checked, kaffe didn't provide a libjvm, which is used for embedding Java in

Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2007

2006-07-21 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 7/6/06, Patrick Lauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So here's my nominations: Flameeyes brix lu_zero kosmikus Stuart jakub marienz patrick Thanks, but I don't accept. I'm planning on leaving Gentoo. Best regards, Stu -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] New category: net-voip

2006-07-21 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 7/19/06, Kevin F. Quinn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In my opinion moving packages from one category to another just causes unnecessary disruption to the tree - all relevant dependencies throughout the tree have to be altered, putting current installations out-of-date with respect to it. Some

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