Re: [gentoo-dev] Figuring out the solution to in-network-sandbox distcc

2015-01-21 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 01/21/2015 05:05 AM, Michał Górny wrote: Hello, developers. As you may recall, the main blocker for wide-establishment of FEATURES=network-sandbox prohibiting network access within the build environment is distcc. Since all connectivity is disabled, distcc can no longer reach other

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: USE=libav as replacement for broken || ( libav:= ffmpeg:= )

2015-01-20 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 01/20/2015 05:31 AM, Luca Barbato wrote: This triggered a repressed memory of a bug once filed against me: https://blog.flameeyes.eu/2009/01/tinderboxing-problems-missing-default-use-flags I vaguely agree, but please address any hate mail to Diego. Why? It was a joke, but I

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: USE=libav as replacement for broken || ( libav:= ffmpeg:= )

2015-01-19 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 01/19/2015 05:44 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote: I agree with your suggestion but I would prefer the Remi's approach of letting people to know if they want ffmpeg or libav, otherwise it is not so obvious to know what disabling/enabling one of that USE flags will end up causing without reading each

Re: [gentoo-dev] Maintainer stabilizations

2015-01-08 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 01/08/2015 12:57 PM, Mikle Kolyada wrote: 08.01.2015 20:15, Michael Orlitzky пишет: I vaguely remember a discussion about maintainers stabilizing their own packages -- maybe just on x86 and amd64 -- to take the load off of the arch teams. Did that really happen or am I making it up

[gentoo-dev] Maintainer stabilizations

2015-01-08 Thread Michael Orlitzky
I vaguely remember a discussion about maintainers stabilizing their own packages -- maybe just on x86 and amd64 -- to take the load off of the arch teams. Did that really happen or am I making it up? Is it written down anywhere?

Re: [gentoo-dev] Maintainer stabilizations

2015-01-08 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 01/08/2015 01:42 PM, Matthias Maier wrote: I'm going to write a devmanual patch but don't want to sound like a lunatic. Also, an informal definition on what is supposed to be appropriate hardware and userland (e.g. clean amd64 profile) and what are keywording best practices would be

[gentoo-dev] Last rites: net-analyzer/nagios-imagepack

2014-12-24 Thread Michael Orlitzky
# Michael Orlitzky m...@gentoo.org (24 Dec 2014) # Masked for removal in 30 days (bug #531954). All current versions of # nagios block it, and it has unresolved LICENSE issues (bug #320241). net-analyzer/nagios-imagepack

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] [RFC] Add 'emerge --sync-glsa' action and 'emaint sync-glsa' command

2014-12-17 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 12/17/2014 05:32 PM, Brian Dolbec wrote: Only code changes I see to portage, pkgcore (I know nothing about paludis) are to look for the glsa's in the 2 possible locations. The standalone glsa repo, failing that, backup to the gentoo tree. Could we ship a GLSA overlay enabled by

Re: [gentoo-dev] Lastrites: net-im/linpopup, app-office/teapot, net-irc/bitchx, sys-power/cpufrequtils, x11-plugins/gkrellm-cpufreq, media-sound/gnome-alsamixer, sys-devel/ac-archive, net-misc/emirror

2014-12-03 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 12/03/2014 07:28 AM, Diamond wrote: On Mon, 01 Dec 2014 11:38:44 +0100 Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote: # Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org (01 Dec 2014) # Upstream dead for a long time, use sys-power/cpupower # instead. Removal in a month. sys-power/cpufrequtils

Re: [gentoo-dev] Doomsayers needed

2014-11-26 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 11/26/2014 01:43 PM, Sergey Popov wrote: Standart - cross-compilation and prefix. If you do not care about the latter(not having keywords for your package) - it's ok. Cross-compilation, or compilation into another root is trickier - you should support it. With ping and ping6 coming

Re: [gentoo-dev] Doomsayers needed

2014-11-26 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 11/26/2014 03:57 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: And with the command set to ${ROOT}bin/ping, building for a Gentoo system under another root should work, right? No, $ROOT should not seep into the compiled code. Ah, I think I see my mistake: when running *within* a chroot, you don't want

[gentoo-dev] Doomsayers needed

2014-11-23 Thread Michael Orlitzky
We've got a bug in Nagios's `ping` command format detection: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=468296 It's easy to reproduce by taking down your lo interface, or by filtering all icmp packets in iptables. Fortunately, you can override the auto-detection by passing it a magic string, and

Re: [gentoo-dev] Running repoman on the portage tree

2014-11-21 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 11/21/2014 05:06 PM, Piotr Szymaniak wrote: On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 08:07:36PM +0800, Patrick Lauer wrote: http://packages.gentooexperimental.org/repoman-checks/ updated per cron job, split by category. Much easier to handle :) Feel free to work on fixing things - there's enough issues

[gentoo-dev] Deps on slotted executables (implicit @system tangent)

2014-11-14 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 11/13/2014 10:17 AM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: Isn't it possible to disable C++ in GCC with USE=-cxx? It is.. but unfortunately there's no way in DEPEND to ensure it's satisfied, as you can have a gcc installed with that flag enabled but have a second one (that's actually selected in

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Implicit system dependency

2014-11-14 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 11/13/2014 01:13 PM, Mike Gilbert wrote: On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Michael Palimaka kensing...@gentoo.org wrote: On 14/11/14 01:05, Michael Orlitzky wrote: Isn't it possible to disable C++ in GCC with USE=-cxx? It is, but I think if that's disabled you're on your own

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Implicit system dependency

2014-11-13 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 11/13/2014 05:30 AM, Michael Palimaka wrote: Suggested policy to get the ball rolling: In general, a package must explicitly depend upon what it directly uses. However, to avoid ebuild complexity and developer burden there are some exceptions. Packages that appear in the base system set

[gentoo-dev] Implicit system dependency

2014-11-04 Thread Michael Orlitzky
When I was taking my ebuild quizzes, I asked for someone to clarify the implicit system dependency that we have enshrined in the devmanual: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=485356 There is... some agreement, but also special cases and special-special cases that are folklore-only at this

Re: [gentoo-dev] more help needed with gcc-4.8 stabilization, chromium starts heavily using C++11

2014-10-18 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 10/18/2014 01:00 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: All the stack is at https://github.com/gentoo/tboxanalysis The opening of the bug report is done by a piece of meatware called me. The UI displays a link that I can click to pre-fill the bug report. The rest of the information is filled in

Re: [gentoo-dev] more help needed with gcc-4.8 stabilization, chromium starts heavily using C++11

2014-10-18 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 10/18/2014 01:34 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote: Supposedly we always must attach files to bug reports to ensure they are kept forever with that bug reports instead of relying on external resources that could disappear in the future (or far future). If I don't misremember, flameeyes was paying for

Re: [gentoo-dev] Removing a blocker from a stable package

2014-10-14 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 10/13/2014 02:41 PM, Mike Gilbert wrote: I agree with Diego and Ralph: Go with d. repoman will generate a warning (not an error) about a dependency which does not exist, but this is safe to ignore. Given that (d) didn't require me to do anything else, I just went ahead and removed

[gentoo-dev] Removing a blocker from a stable package

2014-10-13 Thread Michael Orlitzky
I've got two obsolete packages masked currently: app-text/unix2dos and app-doc/djbdns-man. Both of them block other stable packages, app-text/dos2unix and net-dns/djbdns respectively. Fortunately, both of them have had version/revision bumps since the blocker so we can remove the blocker from the

Re: [gentoo-dev] git security (SHA-1)

2014-09-16 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 09/16/2014 10:03 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: The gpg signature is on the entire contents of the commit. However, the contents of the commit do not include the files that are being committed - it includes hashes of the parent commit, the commit message, other headers, and the hash of the tree

Re: [gentoo-dev] sandbox access violations while running matlab binary installer

2014-03-31 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 03/31/2014 02:14 PM, Samuli Suominen wrote: On 31/03/14 21:15, Kfir Lavi wrote: Hi all, I'm trying to create an ebuild to install matlab MCR on gentoo. The installer InstallShileld try to create directory /root/InstallShield ;-) mkdir is run by java binary that try this. So I have no

Re: [gentoo-dev] Drop net-analyzer/nagios-* to maintainer-needed

2014-01-25 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 01/25/2014 09:24 AM, Markos Chandras wrote: (picking a random email from the thread) ping again. 3 months later, the list of bugs remain the same. Shall we consider dropping it to maintainer-needed? These are easy fixes, some for nagios-plugins: *

[gentoo-portage-dev] [PATCH] Add the has function to the ebuild(5) man page.

2014-01-22 Thread Michael Orlitzky
I WTF'ed on this for a long time before I noticed that the docs for has were sort-of contained in hasv. Might as well give has its own. From 423123cc2ea429c06914ef858a6fdb86c0c6d30b Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Michael Orlitzky m...@gentoo.org Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 16:18:23 -0500 Subject

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy

2014-01-14 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 01/14/2014 04:37 PM, William Hubbs wrote: 2. I would like to see the policy below applied to all arch's [2]. [ ] Yup [X] Nope

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy

2014-01-14 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 01/14/2014 05:33 PM, William Hubbs wrote: On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 04:57:30PM -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 01/14/2014 04:37 PM, William Hubbs wrote: 2. I would like to see the policy below applied to all arch's [2]. [ ] Yup [X] Nope The reverse of this would be to let maintainers

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy

2014-01-14 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 01/14/2014 06:11 PM, William Hubbs wrote: For users, both options are worse than the status quo. The first option would start reverting things back to ~ and users would have to unmask them. The second option would introduce new things to stable which may not be stable due to not being

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy

2014-01-14 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 01/14/2014 07:13 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote: For users, both options are worse than the status quo. When you do nothing then things are bound to get worse, under the assumption that manpower doesn't change as well as the assumption that the queue fills faster than stabilization bugs get added

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy

2014-01-14 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 01/14/2014 08:08 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote: This is under the assumption that the user knows of the state of the stabilization worsening; if the user is unaware of that change, the could have done anyway might be less common and first something bad would need to happen before they realize the

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy

2014-01-14 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 01/14/2014 08:23 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote: On Tue, 14 Jan 2014 20:11:24 -0500 Michael Orlitzky m...@gentoo.org wrote: On 01/14/2014 08:08 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote: This is under the assumption that the user knows of the state of the stabilization worsening; if the user is unaware

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy

2014-01-14 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 01/14/2014 09:09 PM, William Hubbs wrote: After the package has been sitting in ~arch for 90 days with an open stable request with no blockers that the arch team has not taken any action on. We are not talking about randomly yanking package versions, just doing something when arch teams

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy

2014-01-14 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 01/14/2014 09:34 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote: Strictly from a user's perspective. I don't, unless I do, in which case I know that I do, and I could just keyword the thing if I wanted to. This is the exact same argument as in your other mail, which is your point of view; this is under the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Default USE changes for fortran and mudflap?

2014-01-12 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 01/12/2014 02:53 AM, Ryan Hill wrote: fortran: Do we want to keep enabling fortran by default? The majority of users will never get the urge to install a fortran package, and the fortran eclass handles those that do. I think it should be treated as all the other optional languages and

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new global USE flag srcdist

2014-01-02 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 01/02/2014 07:54 AM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: On Wed, 01 Jan 2014, Michael Orlitzky wrote: As I said in another reply, more license metadata is good and we should make it available. But a USE flag that changes the meaning of an important global variable is a little hacky, especially

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new global USE flag srcdist

2014-01-01 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 01/01/2014 05:28 PM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: Hi, According to GLEP 23 [1], the LICENSE variable regulates the software that is installed on a system. There is however some ambiguity in this: should it cover the actual files installed on the system, or everything that is included in the

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new global USE flag srcdist

2014-01-01 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 01/01/2014 09:10 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 8:51 PM, Michael Orlitzky m...@gentoo.org wrote: In essence, I don't want to *use* code that isn't @FREE. This includes the installed files, of course, but also the build system (that I use temporarily). We could generalize

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new global USE flag srcdist

2014-01-01 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 01/01/2014 09:13 PM, Rick Zero_Chaos Farina wrote: What use case is there for having the LICENSE apply to anything else? Some of us do redistribute the entire source package, so it does matter. If it doesn't matter to you as a user then you can always leave it unset and you remain

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new global USE flag srcdist

2014-01-01 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 01/01/2014 09:38 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 9:19 PM, Michael Orlitzky m...@gentoo.org wrote: Is there a real example where the license matters for something redistributed to yourself? Well, yourself is a loose term. If I were to redistribute MS Windows across 300

Re: [gentoo-dev] Recommend cronie instead of vixie-cron in handbook?

2013-12-23 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 12/23/2013 10:54 PM, Vadim A. Misbakh-Soloviov wrote: rc-update del vixie-cron default /etc/init.d/vixie-cron stop emerge -C vixie-cron emerge cronie rc-update add cronie default /etc/init.d/cronie start Why /etc/init.d instead of rc-service? :) Uhh

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New global use flags: 3dnowext, mmxext, ssse3, sse4_1, avx, avx2

2013-12-16 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 12/16/2013 05:44 AM, Duncan wrote: Matt Turner posted on Sun, 15 Dec 2013 15:34:13 -0800 as excerpted: sse3: Use the SSE3 instruction set (pni in cpuinfo) ssse3: Use the SSSE3 instruction set I'd suggest a parenthetical on ssse3 as well, something like: ssse3: Use the SSSE3

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New global use flags: 3dnowext, mmxext, ssse3, sse4_1, avx, avx2

2013-12-16 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 12/16/2013 01:21 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: Enable use of the SSSE3 instruction set (NOT sse3). This is needed by projects which contain assembly code or which use certain compiler intrinsics. It is not a replacement for CFLAGS and friends. The second and third sentences add nothing to the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Recommend cronie instead of vixie-cron in handbook?

2013-12-14 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 12/11/2013 03:03 PM, Mike Gilbert wrote: Is cronie a drop-in replacement, or do I have to do some thinking when replacing vixie-cron? It should be a drop-in. The only change to make would be to remove vixie-cron and add cronie to the default runlevel. I noticed two small differences:

Re: [gentoo-dev] Recommend cronie instead of vixie-cron in handbook?

2013-12-11 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 12/10/2013 09:18 PM, Paul B. Henson wrote: I'd say go one step further and get rid of vixie-cron completely, is there anything it does that cronie can't do as well or better? Is cronie a drop-in replacement, or do I have to do some thinking when replacing vixie-cron?

Re: [gentoo-dev] friendly reminder wrt net virtual in init scripts

2013-11-06 Thread Michael Orlitzky
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/06/2013 02:11 PM, Thomas D. wrote: This is going OT but I cannot leave this statement uncommented, because from my knowledge this is wrong/you are hiding important information everyone should know about: I figure everyone here is smart

Re: [gentoo-dev] friendly reminder wrt net virtual in init scripts

2013-11-05 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 11/05/2013 09:49 AM, mingdao wrote: Flameeyes wrote the following blog post concerning this issue: http://blog.flameeyes.eu/2012/10/may-i-have-a-network-connection-please and the link gives me a (Error code: sec_error_ocsp_unknown_cert). You should disable OCSP anyway. In Firefox,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Official way to do rolling update (Was: Re: Releng breakage with respect to move from dev-python/python-exec to dev-lang/python-exec)

2013-11-04 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 11/04/2013 04:46 PM, Duncan wrote: I imagine were emerge being written today, -1 /would/ be the default, and there'd be an option like --select to add to the @world file if necessary. That's actually the way I setup my scripts, with -1 the default, and an extra 2 suffix script variant

Re: [gentoo-dev] News item: GRUB2 migration

2013-09-21 Thread Michael Orlitzky
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/21/2013 11:42 AM, Mike Gilbert wrote: GRUB2 will be stabilized soon (bug 455544). Here's a draft of a news item to hopefully prevent any confusion. Please review. The FAQ / Known Problems / Gotchas section of the guide is still empty. Maybe

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: stabilization policies

2013-08-21 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 08/21/2013 12:35 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: On 21 August 2013 04:12, Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote: [snip] Ok, this one is ridiculous. The stable version of Rails is 2.3.18, and 3.0 was released almost exactly three years ago. Every time rails-3.x gets bumped, I have to manually

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: stabilization policies

2013-08-20 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 08/20/2013 02:19 PM, William Hubbs wrote: My question is, how can we improve our stabilization procedures/policies so we can convince people not to run production servers on ~arch and keep the stable tree more up to date? Just delete /etc/conf.d/net with an ~arch update every once in a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Patch applying function for EAPI 6

2013-08-18 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 08/18/2013 12:39 PM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: The current epatch() would remain available in eutils.eclass for cases where its more advanced modes of operation are needed. ... 2. Should the function do automatic -p* detection, or should it default to -p1? Both would be overridable by an

Re: [gentoo-dev] renaming gentoo-oldnet

2013-08-05 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 08/05/2013 06:09 PM, Robin H. Johnson wrote: - netrc (conflicts) Would naming it net-rc alleviate the perceived conflict?

Re: [gentoo-dev] renaming gentoo-oldnet

2013-08-05 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 08/05/2013 09:45 PM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 08/05/2013 06:09 PM, Robin H. Johnson wrote: - netrc (conflicts) Would naming it net-rc alleviate the perceived conflict? Or, duh, networkrc.

Re: [gentoo-dev] renaming gentoo-oldnet

2013-08-04 Thread Michael Orlitzky
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/04/2013 04:37 PM, William Hubbs wrote: I thought about gentoo-networking, but that sucks in a way too because it implies that everyone on gentoo should be using it. ... How about gen-net? It's nice, short and the name is more

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: renaming gentoo-oldnet

2013-08-04 Thread Michael Orlitzky
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/04/2013 06:20 PM, William Hubbs wrote: On Sun, Aug 04, 2013 at 10:15:35PM +, Duncan wrote: Michael Orlitzky posted on Sun, 04 Aug 2013 18:01:40 -0400 as excerpted: Since it was pulled out of openrc, the name netrc also suggests itself

Re: [gentoo-dev] renaming gentoo-oldnet

2013-08-04 Thread Michael Orlitzky
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/04/2013 06:36 PM, Michał Górny wrote: Since it was pulled out of openrc, the name netrc also suggests itself. 'net run control'? Sounds about right. We can say it's net run configuration if that's better politically. -BEGIN PGP

Re: [gentoo-dev] Over-reliance of Gentoo projects on overlays

2013-06-14 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 06/13/2013 12:56 AM, Alexander V Vershilov wrote: The main reason it isn't is because nobody wants to use CVS. For good examples, see sunrise or gentoo-haskell. As a part of gentoo-haskell team, I'd like to say that CVS issue is not strongest one, there are much more meaningful reasons

Re: [gentoo-dev] Over-reliance of Gentoo projects on overlays

2013-06-12 Thread Michael Orlitzky
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/12/2013 01:13 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 19:05:29 +0200 hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote: Isn't it more an indication that Gentoo needs better package management support for overlays? No. You make a persuasive

Re: TLDR: rant in support of overlays (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Over-reliance of Gentoo projects on overlays)

2013-06-12 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 06/12/2013 06:31 PM, Greg Turner wrote: On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote: On 06/12/2013 01:13 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 19:05:29 +0200 hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote: Isn't it more an indication that Gentoo needs

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Making systemd more accessible to normal users

2013-05-23 Thread Michael Orlitzky
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/23/2013 04:02 AM, Daniel Campbell wrote: I can't speak for others who wish to rid their systems of systemd, but personally I look for any excessive use of space on my HDD, despite it being rather large. Since you brought it up, which

Re: [gentoo-dev] New install isos needed

2013-03-23 Thread Michael Orlitzky
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/23/2013 02:50 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote: El sáb, 23-03-2013 a las 14:40 -0400, Rick Zero_Chaos Farina escribió: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/23/2013 02:06 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote: Today I tried to boot latest install ISO

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in dev-libs/confuse: confuse-2.7.ebuild ChangeLog

2013-03-10 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 03/10/2013 02:11 PM, hasufell wrote: On 03/10/2013 07:04 PM, Jeroen Roovers wrote: On Sun, 3 Mar 2013 12:44:18 +0100 Tomáš Chvátal tomas.chva...@gmail.com wrote: If I remember correctly the damn rule is to put it for 30 days into testing, and as you said there was no previous version on

Re: [gentoo-dev] news item for udev 197-r3 upgrade (yes, I know, it's late)

2013-01-24 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 01/24/13 05:02, Michael Haubenwallner wrote: I've recently upgraded some server from kernel-2.6.28 to kernel-3.5.7 and encountered that the root-device was renamed from /dev/cciss/c0d0p1 to /dev/sda1 due to some kernel driver change (took me a while to find out). I'm not using genkernel

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: CONFIG_CHECK_FATAL, making CONFIG_CHECKS fatal by default

2013-01-24 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 01/24/13 13:25, Rich Freeman wrote: On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: a fatal die in pkg_pretend could be circumvented by an environment variable such as ${PN}_I_KNOW_WHAT_IM_DOING being set. Just a thought. If we're going to do this I'd definitely

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: CONFIG_CHECK_FATAL, making CONFIG_CHECKS fatal by default

2013-01-24 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 01/24/13 13:58, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: How about, you know what you're doing and are going to build a new kernel as soon as the emerge finishes (since the emerge is also bringing in a new gentoo-sources)?? If you're going to upgrade both anyway, you should be upgrading the kernel

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: CONFIG_CHECK_FATAL, making CONFIG_CHECKS fatal by default

2013-01-24 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 01/24/13 15:26, viv...@gmail.com wrote: If you're going to upgrade both anyway, you should be upgrading the kernel first. That way if you lose power or the system crashes, the box can reboot. which can be the exact opposite order if instead you have to _disable_ a feature in the kernel

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: CONFIG_CHECK_FATAL, making CONFIG_CHECKS fatal by default

2013-01-24 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 01/24/13 15:39, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 01/24/13 15:26, viv...@gmail.com wrote: If you're going to upgrade both anyway, you should be upgrading the kernel first. That way if you lose power or the system crashes, the box can reboot. which can be the exact opposite order if instead you

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: CONFIG_CHECK_FATAL, making CONFIG_CHECKS fatal by default

2013-01-24 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 01/24/13 19:29, viv...@gmail.com wrote: actually it wasn't an issue that could made a system un-bootable but was like this: * udev-129 could live with CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED=y * udev-130 require CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED not set The example was given just to underline the fact that a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: CONFIG_CHECK_FATAL, making CONFIG_CHECKS fatal by default

2013-01-24 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 01/24/2013 08:39 PM, Duncan wrote: Now I've chosen to set that using package.env so it applies only to glibc, but I imagine many users have it set in their make.conf, because a lot of packages use it, and they were forced to set it for one or another at some point. Using package.env

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: CONFIG_CHECK_FATAL, making CONFIG_CHECKS fatal by default

2013-01-24 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 01/24/2013 10:12 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: Otherwise we're just finding creative ways to drive away users. Sure, we can call them stupid on their way out the door, but while I can't speak for anybody else, I'm mainly here because I'd like to do some good, and I wouldn't mind it if I found

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stable sys-devel/gcc USE flag changes

2013-01-17 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 01/17/2013 09:52 AM, Zac Medico wrote: I strongly believe that it shouldn't; nevertheless, it does. You can avoid this by adding --select=n to EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS. Then, if you want to add something to world, use --select (or -w in latest portage which isn't marked stable yet). This

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stable sys-devel/gcc USE flag changes

2013-01-17 Thread Michael Orlitzky
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/17/2013 12:11 PM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: ... so what's the problem here, exactly? I don't want @world to get screwed up, either by having unnecessary packages, or by missing ones we need. (a) 'emerge -u [pkg]' adds extra bits to @world

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stable sys-devel/gcc USE flag changes

2013-01-16 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 01/16/2013 11:36 AM, Michael Weber wrote: emerge --upgrade with a predefined EMERGE_UPGRADE_OPTS in make.conf (where EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS lives). +1 so I can stop adding --oneshot onto every upgrade.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stable sys-devel/gcc USE flag changes

2013-01-16 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 01/16/2013 11:47 AM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 01/16/2013 11:36 AM, Michael Weber wrote: emerge --upgrade with a predefined EMERGE_UPGRADE_OPTS in make.conf (where EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS lives). +1 so I can stop adding --oneshot onto every upgrade. Oh, damn, this isn't suggesting what I

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stable sys-devel/gcc USE flag changes

2013-01-16 Thread Michael Orlitzky
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/16/2013 12:24 PM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: On 16/01/13 11:47 AM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 01/16/2013 11:36 AM, Michael Weber wrote: emerge --upgrade with a predefined EMERGE_UPGRADE_OPTS in make.conf (where EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS lives

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stable sys-devel/gcc USE flag changes

2013-01-16 Thread Michael Orlitzky
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/16/2013 12:24 PM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: --upgrade wouldn't (couldn't, imo) replace --update. Yes, sorry for the confusion. I use more than one package manager, and when doing an update or upgrade I'm basically flipping a coin. I just

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Lifting the HOMEPAGE requirement for ebuilds

2013-01-13 Thread Michael Orlitzky
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/13/2013 12:58 PM, Michał Górny wrote: If something is a six-liner made by Gentoo and for Gentoo, noone cares enough to create a homepage for it. http://gentoo.org is the most useless 'homepage' value you can use. It doesn't mean

Re: [gentoo-dev] Attracting developers (Re: Packages up for grabs...)

2013-01-06 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 01/05/2013 12:47 AM, Donnie Berkholz wrote: Some early work on it using Bootstrap: http://a3li.li/~alex/g.o/ I really like this. The (admittedly kind-of ugly) logo and the flying saucer thing are incorporated tastefully and it makes a big difference. The zebra tables, and especially

Re: [gentoo-dev] [brainstorm] dev-lang internal package managers and portage

2013-01-01 Thread Michael Orlitzky
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/01/2013 02:14 PM, Vadim A. Misbakh-Soloviov wrote: Hi there! Long time ago I discovered that many language-specific packages (libraries, webapps) written on languages like PHP, Ruby, Lua and so on has (often) almost hardcoded dependence to be

Re: [gentoo-dev] [brainstorm] dev-lang internal package managers and portage

2013-01-01 Thread Michael Orlitzky
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/01/2013 04:53 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: On 01/01/2013 22:12, Michael Orlitzky wrote: In lieu of that, what we do is create ebuilds like www-apps/redmine-dependencies. I manually parse the Gemfile for the (R)DEPENDs. My life would

Re: [gentoo-dev] College Course in Gentoo Development

2012-12-17 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 12/17/2012 10:32 AM, Anthony G. Basile wrote: Hi everyone, Give the talk on the list about attracting devs, I've should probably mention that I'm teaching a College Course on Gentoo Development next semester. I know two students will most likely go through the recruitment process,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages up for grabs due nelchael retirement

2012-12-16 Thread Michael Orlitzky
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/16/2012 09:22 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote: net-misc/openntpd This one's easy, I could proxy-maintain it. These two are also maintainer-needed: * app-doc/djbdns-man I'm maintaining djbdns, so I suppose I should have this one too. On the

[gentoo-dev] Attracting developers (Re: Packages up for grabs...)

2012-12-16 Thread Michael Orlitzky
Inspired by the number of packages being unmaintained -- why not use some of that bug bounty money to fix up the recruitment documentation and maybe give the webpage a makeover? Marketing is a big part of the problem. 1. Even MediaWiki (wiki.gentoo.org) looks better than www.gentoo.org.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Attracting developers (Re: Packages up for grabs...)

2012-12-16 Thread Michael Orlitzky
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/16/2012 12:02 PM, Fabian Groffen wrote: On 16-12-2012 11:57:35 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote: 3. Get off CVS for Christ's sake. Nobody wants to work with that. I don't know how this fits into my bullet list, but it's important. It doesn't

Re: [gentoo-dev] Attracting developers (Re: Packages up for grabs...)

2012-12-16 Thread Michael Orlitzky
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/16/2012 12:23 PM, Fabian Groffen wrote: On 16-12-2012 12:20:10 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote: Many new developers who want to contribute to to some project will learn git, because a large number of important projects use git. No (new

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Attracting developers (Re: Packages up for grabs...)

2012-12-16 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 12/16/2012 01:27 PM, Duncan wrote: Michael Orlitzky posted on Sun, 16 Dec 2012 12:20:10 -0500 as excerpted: On 12/16/2012 12:02 PM, Fabian Groffen wrote: On 16-12-2012 11:57:35 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote: 3. Get off CVS for Christ's sake. Nobody wants to work with that. I don't know

Re: [gentoo-dev] Attracting developers (Re: Packages up for grabs...)

2012-12-16 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 12/16/12 16:32, Michał Górny wrote: Get off powerpoint for your god of choice's sake. Nobody wants to work with that (well, everybody I meet outside actually wants but whatever) :P. Sorry, couldn't resist. I was hoping nobody would call my bluff. This is the only avenue available to me

Re: [gentoo-dev] Attracting developers (Re: Packages up for grabs...)

2012-12-16 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 12/16/12 13:53, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: 1. Even MediaWiki (wiki.gentoo.org) looks better than www.gentoo.org. That's impressive-bad. People still think of Gentoo as a ricer distro that's broken all the time, when in reality, it's one of the most stable. No one

Re: [gentoo-dev] Attracting developers (Re: Packages up for grabs...)

2012-12-16 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 12/16/12 14:04, Markos Chandras wrote: On 16 December 2012 16:57, Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote: Inspired by the number of packages being unmaintained -- why not use some of that bug bounty money to fix up the recruitment documentation Recruitment documentatiob? What does

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Defaulting desktop profiles to net-nds/openldap[minimal]

2012-12-02 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 12/02/2012 04:40 AM, Duncan wrote: As others have mentioned, equery u[ses] openldap . Does nothing in this case. Actually, I have a bug open at this very moment about a new ambiguous USE flag, USE=fma, in the new sci-libs/fftw-3.3.3 ebuild. My bdver1 has fma4, but not fma3. Does

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Defaulting desktop profiles to net-nds/openldap[minimal]

2012-12-02 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 12/02/2012 11:19 AM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: On 02/12/2012 08:02, Michael Orlitzky wrote: I think you have Stockholm syndrome. I've updated thousands of packages this month. I cannot do this for each one, and even if I could, there's a huge (unnecessary) opportunity cost to doing so

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Defaulting desktop profiles to net-nds/openldap[minimal]

2012-12-01 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 12/01/2012 09:48 PM, Duncan wrote: Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn posted on Sun, 02 Dec 2012 01:28:26 +0100 as excerpted: If this change is applied anyway, I suggest to at least produce a news item in order to not surprise users about the sudden loss of their openldap server. I wouldn't

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Defaulting desktop profiles to net-nds/openldap[minimal]

2012-12-01 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 12/01/2012 10:50 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: On 01/12/2012 19:44, Michael Orlitzky wrote: Someone's going to reboot three months after this change and their whole office is going to be down while they try to figure out why they don't have an LDAP server. For even a small business

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Defaulting desktop profiles to net-nds/openldap[minimal]

2012-12-01 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 12/01/2012 11:21 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: On 01/12/2012 20:09, Michael Orlitzky wrote: The only way to know what's going on is to read the ebuild. And nobody has the time to do that for every default USE flag change, especially when you're managing multiple machines. In this case

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages up for grabs due apache herd removal

2012-11-27 Thread Michael Orlitzky
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/27/2012 02:43 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote: After discussing it at: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/dev/262834 ... Apache itself is in need of some attention these days. The ChangeLog shows only Patrick committing in the last six

Re: [gentoo-dev] XFCE needs help with maintaince of xfce-extra/ (at least temporary)

2012-11-14 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 11/14/2012 06:17 AM, Peter Stuge wrote: Samuli Suominen wrote: so unless you are willing to go that far as introducing yourself at the xfce devel mailing list and accepting the mantle of upstream of them, we are really stuck at this distribution level patching just like others That

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Maintainer needed: dev-libs/icu

2012-11-05 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 11/05/2012 10:39 AM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: On 05/11/2012 07:31, Steven J. Long wrote: Are you really missing the fact that by testing someone's overlay, the package would by definition not be in the tree, and you wouldn't have to file any bugs at all, just (automatically) email the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Maintainer needed: dev-libs/icu

2012-11-05 Thread Michael Orlitzky
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/05/2012 12:15 PM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: On 05/11/12 12:00 PM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: 1) Over time, unstable has become too stable (I know, I know). People expect things to work, and nobody wants to break working systems by committing

Re: [gentoo-dev] [warning] the bug queue has 100 bugs

2012-10-31 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 10/31/2012 10:05 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 9:18 AM, li...@aixah.de wrote: Maybe you should remember that non-devs simply /aren't allowed/ to assign bugs correctly... And if you look closer into these bugs, you might discover that jer instructed this guy to file

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: example conversion of gentoo-x86 current deps to unified dependencies

2012-09-19 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 09/19/2012 06:59 AM, Duncan wrote: Ben de Groot posted on Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:22:06 +0800 as excerpted: On 16 September 2012 21:15, Brian Harring ferri...@gmail.com wrote: So... basically, people are already doing this manually with their own intermediate vars. And this works fine, so

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