Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list

El 24/03/18 a las 04:34, Aaron Bauman escribió: > > On March 23, 2018 11:11:16 PM EDT, "Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera > (klondike)" wrote: >> El 20/03/18 a las 09:52, Kristian Fiskerstrand escribió: >>> This was not put in effect on 23 January 2018, however I have now >>>

Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list

On March 23, 2018 11:11:16 PM EDT, "Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike)" wrote: >El 20/03/18 a las 09:52, Kristian Fiskerstrand escribió: >> This was not put in effect on 23 January 2018, however I have now >> requested infra to put it in place in [bug 650964]. Users

Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list

El 20/03/18 a las 09:52, Kristian Fiskerstrand escribió: > This was not put in effect on 23 January 2018, however I have now > requested infra to put it in place in [bug 650964]. Users wishing > posting permissions are encouraged to find a mentor and register in [bug > 644070] > > References: >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list

On 01/09/2018 10:20 PM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > During the last Gentoo council meeting, the decision was made to implement > changes to the gentoo-dev mailing list [1]. > > These changes affect only the gentoo-dev mailing list, and will come into > effect on 23 January 2018. > > *

Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list

On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 9:09 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 8:26 AM, Tom H wrote: >> >> Gentoo's singling itself itself out as less receptive to its users >> simply because some its developers are too Trumpian to resist arguing >> with

Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list

On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 8:26 AM, Tom H wrote: > > Gentoo's singling itself itself out as less receptive to its users > simply because some its developers are too Trumpian to resist arguing > with people who criticize their work or Gentoo. > Wouldn't it be a bit exclusionary

Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 5:57 AM, David Seifert wrote: > On Wed, 2018-01-10 at 08:55 +0100, Lars Wendler wrote: >> On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 08:48:56 +0300 Eray Aslan wrote: >>> On Tue, Jan 09, 2018 at 10:20:56PM +0100, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: * Posting to the list will only

Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list

On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 05:07:22PM +, Peter Stuge wrote: > Maybe this is a discussion for -project, then? > > Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > > * and keep commenting opinionated on technical things they plainly have no > > clue about (while whining when are told they sprout bulls##t). > > You

Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list

On Tue, Jan 09, 2018 at 10:20:56PM +0100, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > * Subscribing to the list and receiving list mail remains as it is now. > * Posting to the list will only be possible to Gentoo developers and > whitelisted additional participants. Any chance you'd consider automatically

Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list

On Thu, Jan 11, 2018, at 11:34 CST, Rich Freeman wrote: > It is kind of hard to get new people interested in fixing bugs when > half the traffic is complaining because the people doing the work > aren't doing it in a way that makes the people not doing the work feel >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list

On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 12:07 PM, Peter Stuge wrote: > Maybe this is a discussion for -project, then? > Getting these kinds of non-technical discussions off of -dev is most of the point of this. The purpose of this list is discussion of things like eclass changes, fixing bugs,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list

Maybe this is a discussion for -project, then? Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > a few outside trolls who > * keep pushing their personal agenda in endless threads, > * confuse their own inability to contribute with being a mistreated underdog, > * and keep commenting opinionated on technical things

Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list

Michał Górny schrieb: I guess you should have voiced your opinion back when discussion was taking place instead of being hostile *now* because the Council listened to what the developers requested. The arguments why these posting restrictions are a pretty bad idea have all been voiced back

Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 3:53 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > I guess you should have voiced your opinion back when discussion was > taking place instead of being hostile *now* because the Council listened > to what the developers requested. > > And if you are curious, then I've been

Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list

On 2018.01.11 01:03, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > > Does being 'struck off' the list in this way apply to devs, > including > > Council and comrel members? > > So far noone has even considered "striking" devs off the list. If this > even > were to happen ever, it would have to be backed by a full

Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list

On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 10:03:54 +0300 Eray Aslan wrote: >On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 08:55:11AM +0100, Lars Wendler wrote: >> Seems we're turning into an elitist club or something... > >Elitist seems too kind a word. Knee-jerk reaction, petty vendetta, >impulsive emotional reaction comes to mind -

Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 08:55:11AM +0100, Lars Wendler wrote: > Seems we're turning into an elitist club or something... Elitist seems too kind a word. Knee-jerk reaction, petty vendetta, impulsive emotional reaction comes to mind - instead of articulating and implementing a vision for the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list

Am Mittwoch, 10. Januar 2018, 18:16:33 CET schrieb Vincent-Xavier JUMEL: > Le 2018-01-10 10:53, Michał Górny a écrit : > > Last I checked, Gentoo was a Linux distribution. However, some people > > prefer to turn it into open discussion forum that has nothing to do > > with > > making a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list

> Does being 'struck off' the list in this way apply to devs, including > Council and comrel members? So far noone has even considered "striking" devs off the list. If this even were to happen ever, it would have to be backed by a full comrel team decision / vote. And these don't happen often,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list

On 10/01/18 23:35, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 6:27 PM, M. J. Everitt wrote: > >> I think Roy's point is quite valid .. if you want to cut out users from >> contribution why are you even posting on -dev ML in the first place? > Probably because we don't want

Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 6:27 PM, M. J. Everitt wrote: > On 10/01/18 23:20, Rich Freeman wrote: >> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 5:28 PM, Roy Bamford wrote: >>> Being somwhat old and cynical, I'm seeing signs of history >>> repeating itself. >>> >>> Does

Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list

On 10/01/18 23:20, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 5:28 PM, Roy Bamford wrote: >> Being somwhat old and cynical, I'm seeing signs of history >> repeating itself. >> >> Does being 'struck off' the list in this way apply to devs, including >> Council and

Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 5:28 PM, Roy Bamford wrote: > > Being somwhat old and cynical, I'm seeing signs of history > repeating itself. > > Does being 'struck off' the list in this way apply to devs, including > Council and comrel members? > It would seem that this

Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list

On 2018.01.09 21:20, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: [snip] > * Obviously, repeated off-topic posting as well as behaviour against > the > Code of Conduct [2] will lead to revocation of the posting > permission. > [snip] > -- > Andreas K. Hüttel > dilfri...@gentoo.org > Gentoo Linux developer >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 3:48 PM, M. J. Everitt wrote: > On 10/01/18 19:31, Alec Warner wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 2:06 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > >> W dniu śro, 10.01.2018 o godzinie 09∶11 -0800, użytkownik Matt Turner >> napisał: >> > On Wed, Jan

Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list

On 10/01/18 19:31, Alec Warner wrote: > On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 2:06 PM, Michał Górny > wrote: > > W dniu śro, 10.01.2018 o godzinie 09∶11 -0800, użytkownik Matt Turner > napisał: > > On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 1:55 AM, Michał Górny

Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list

On 09-01-2018 22:20:56 +0100, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > If, as a non-developer, you want to participate in a discussion on > gentoo-dev, > - either reply directly to the author of a list mail and ask him/her to > forward your message, > - or ask any Gentoo developer of your choice to get you

Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list

W dniu śro, 10.01.2018 o godzinie 14∶31 -0500, użytkownik Alec Warner napisał: > On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 2:06 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > > > W dniu śro, 10.01.2018 o godzinie 09∶11 -0800, użytkownik Matt Turner > > napisał: > > > On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 1:55 AM, Michał Górny

Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list

W dniu śro, 10.01.2018 o godzinie 18∶16 +0100, użytkownik Vincent-Xavier JUMEL napisał: > Le 2018-01-10 10:53, Michał Górny a écrit : > > Last I checked, Gentoo was a Linux distribution. However, some people > > prefer to turn it into open discussion forum that has nothing to do > > with > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 2:06 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > W dniu śro, 10.01.2018 o godzinie 09∶11 -0800, użytkownik Matt Turner > napisał: > > On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 1:55 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > > > W dniu wto, 09.01.2018 o godzinie 17∶08 -0800, użytkownik

Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list

W dniu śro, 10.01.2018 o godzinie 09∶11 -0800, użytkownik Matt Turner napisał: > On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 1:55 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > > W dniu wto, 09.01.2018 o godzinie 17∶08 -0800, użytkownik Matt Turner > > napisał: > > > On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 1:20 PM, Andreas K. Huettel

Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list

Le 2018-01-10 10:53, Michał Górny a écrit : Last I checked, Gentoo was a Linux distribution. However, some people prefer to turn it into open discussion forum that has nothing to do with making a distribution. No it has. Giving power to a subset of users, denying interaction with future

Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 1:55 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > W dniu wto, 09.01.2018 o godzinie 17∶08 -0800, użytkownik Matt Turner > napisał: >> On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 1:20 PM, Andreas K. Huettel >> wrote: >> > During the last Gentoo council meeting, the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list

On 01/10/2018 09:55 AM, Alexander Berntsen wrote: > On 10/01/18 08:55, Lars Wendler wrote: >> Seems we're turning into an elitist club or something... > Gentoo has already had the reputation of being an elitist club for > years. As such I'd like to see steps to remedy this status, rather than >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list

On 10/01/18 14:55, Alexander Berntsen wrote: > On 10/01/18 08:55, Lars Wendler wrote: >> Seems we're turning into an elitist club or something... > Gentoo has already had the reputation of being an elitist club for > years. As such I'd like to see steps to remedy this status, rather than > taking

Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list

On 10/01/18 08:55, Lars Wendler wrote: > Seems we're turning into an elitist club or something... Gentoo has already had the reputation of being an elitist club for years. As such I'd like to see steps to remedy this status, rather than taking steps like this, which just exacerbates the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list

On 10/01/18 13:49, kuzetsa wrote: > On 01/10/2018 05:57 AM, David Seifert wrote: >> On Wed, 2018-01-10 at 08:55 +0100, Lars Wendler wrote: >>> On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 08:48:56 +0300 Eray Aslan wrote: >>> On Tue, Jan 09, 2018 at 10:20:56PM +0100, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > * Posting to the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list

On 01/10/2018 05:57 AM, David Seifert wrote: > On Wed, 2018-01-10 at 08:55 +0100, Lars Wendler wrote: >> On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 08:48:56 +0300 Eray Aslan wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Jan 09, 2018 at 10:20:56PM +0100, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: * Posting to the list will only be possible to Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list

Am Mittwoch, 10. Januar 2018, 10:53:39 CET schrieb Michał Górny: > > I guess you should have voiced your opinion back when discussion was > taking place instead of being hostile *now* because the Council listened > to what the developers requested. > > And if you are curious, then I've been

Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list

On Wed, 2018-01-10 at 08:55 +0100, Lars Wendler wrote: > On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 08:48:56 +0300 Eray Aslan wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 09, 2018 at 10:20:56PM +0100, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > > > * Posting to the list will only be possible to Gentoo developers > > > and > > > whitelisted additional

Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list

W dniu wto, 09.01.2018 o godzinie 17∶08 -0800, użytkownik Matt Turner napisał: > On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 1:20 PM, Andreas K. Huettel > wrote: > > During the last Gentoo council meeting, the decision was made to implement > > changes to the gentoo-dev mailing list [1]. > > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list

W dniu śro, 10.01.2018 o godzinie 08∶48 +0300, użytkownik Eray Aslan napisał: > On Tue, Jan 09, 2018 at 10:20:56PM +0100, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > > * Posting to the list will only be possible to Gentoo developers and > > whitelisted additional participants. > > This is so contrary to what I

Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list

On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 08:48:56 +0300 Eray Aslan wrote: >On Tue, Jan 09, 2018 at 10:20:56PM +0100, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: >> * Posting to the list will only be possible to Gentoo developers and >> whitelisted additional participants. > >This is so contrary to what I and I thought Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list

On 01/09/2018 07:37 PM, Philip Webb wrote: > > I'm very sorry that Council approved this proposal > & hope that it will soon see sense & rescind it. In an effort to reduce noise on the gentoo-dev mailing list, Gentoo will now require every user to send an email to the gentoo-dev mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list

On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 1:20 PM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > During the last Gentoo council meeting, the decision was made to implement > changes to the gentoo-dev mailing list [1]. > > These changes affect only the gentoo-dev mailing list, and will come into > effect on 23

Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list

180109 Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > During the last Gentoo council meeting, the decision was made > to implement changes to the gentoo-dev mailing list [1]. > These changes affect only the gentoo-dev mailing list > and will come into effect on 23 January 2018. > > * Subscribing to the list and

Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list

On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 5:20 PM, Francesco Riosa wrote: > > 2018-01-09 22:20 GMT+01:00 Andreas K. Huettel : > >> [...] > > > >> * Whitelisting requires that one developer vouches for you. We intend this >> to be as unbureaucratic as possible. >> > > May I

Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list

2018-01-09 22:20 GMT+01:00 Andreas K. Huettel : > [...] > * Whitelisting requires that one developer vouches for you. We intend this > to be as unbureaucratic as possible. > May I ask to some random developer to vouche for me (Francesco Riosa a.k.a. vivo)? I'd like to

[gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list

During the last Gentoo council meeting, the decision was made to implement changes to the gentoo-dev mailing list [1]. These changes affect only the gentoo-dev mailing list, and will come into effect on 23 January 2018. * Subscribing to the list and receiving list mail remains as it is now. *