[gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-10 Thread Christian Apeltauer
Hello list, when I synced my portage tree today, I saw that kmail-4.4.0 needs kdelibs compiled with USE="semantic-desktop" and cannot be told to not use it. But I do not like the idea of semantic desktop and I will not install it. But I really like kmail as my mail client, so I give it a last

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-10 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Christian Apeltauer wrote: > Hello list, > when I synced my portage tree today, I saw that kmail-4.4.0 needs > kdelibs compiled with USE="semantic-desktop" and cannot be told to not > use it. But I do not like the idea of semantic desktop and I will not > install it.

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-10 Thread Frank Steinmetzger
Am Mittwoch, 10. Februar 2010 schrieb Christian Apeltauer: > Hello list, > when I synced my portage tree today, I saw that kmail-4.4.0 needs > kdelibs compiled with USE="semantic-desktop" and cannot be told to not > use it. But I do not like the idea of semantic desktop and I will not > install it

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-10 Thread Roy Wright
On Feb 10, 2010, at 8:34 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Christian Apeltauer wrote: >> Hello list, >> when I synced my portage tree today, I saw that kmail-4.4.0 needs >> kdelibs compiled with USE="semantic-desktop" and cannot be told to not >> use it. But I do not

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-10 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Roy Wright wrote: > On Feb 10, 2010, at 8:34 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Christian Apeltauer wrote: > >> Hello list, > >> when I synced my portage tree today, I saw that kmail-4.4.0 needs > >> kdelibs compiled with USE="semantic-desk

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-10 Thread Roy Wright
On Feb 10, 2010, at 5:04 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Roy Wright wrote: >> On Feb 10, 2010, at 8:34 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: >>> On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Christian Apeltauer wrote: Hello list, when I synced my portage tree today, I saw that k

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-10 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Roy Wright wrote: > On Feb 10, 2010, at 5:04 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Roy Wright wrote: > >> On Feb 10, 2010, at 8:34 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > >>> On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Christian Apeltauer wrote: > Hello lis

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-10 Thread Roy Wright
On Feb 10, 2010, at 6:31 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Roy Wright wrote: >> >> OK, after reading several articles from the given starting point, I now >> understand why semantic-desktop wastes so much cpu, memory, and storage >> (really, if you organize your da

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-10 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:03:15 -0600, Roy Wright wrote: > IMO, mandatory semantic-desktop is a very good reason to find another > desktop manager (even after being my primary desktop for 7 years). It's so mandatory it takes a whole mouse click to turn it off :( -- Neil Bothwick Old hitchhikers

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-10 Thread Stroller
On 11 Feb 2010, at 01:14, Roy Wright wrote: ... because to 'organize it properly' you would need a huge directory tree plus symlinks plus explaining notes to even simulate a small token of the stuff 'semantic desktop' can do for you.. Haven't had a problem organizing my data in 25 years .

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Roy Wright wrote: > On Feb 10, 2010, at 6:31 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Roy Wright wrote: > >> OK, after reading several articles from the given starting point, I now > >> understand why semantic-desktop wastes so much cpu, memo

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Walter Dnes
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 01:31:26AM +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote > On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Roy Wright wrote: > > IMO, mandatory semantic-desktop is a very good reason to find another > > desktop manager (even after being my primary desktop for 7 years). > > yeah good luck with that. Bec

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Walter Dnes wrote: > > Seriously guys, you start sounding like luddites. Is new, must be bad. > > Correction, is fat, bloated, and slow, must be bad. I wonder if > Microsoft's anti-linux strategy is to have its agents infiltrate the > linux developer community, a

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 11 February 2010 13:50:54 Walter Dnes wrote: > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 01:31:26AM +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote > > > On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Roy Wright wrote: > > > IMO, mandatory semantic-desktop is a very good reason to find another > > > desktop manager (even after being

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Thursday 11 February 2010 13:50:54 Walter Dnes wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 01:31:26AM +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote > > > > > On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Roy Wright wrote: > > > > IMO, mandatory semantic-desktop is a very good

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Dale
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 11 February 2010 13:50:54 Walter Dnes wrote: On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 01:31:26AM +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010,

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 11 February 2010 16:32:02 Dale wrote: > Can you nice the thing too? That would work. I set emerge to 5 and I > can't even tell that emerge is running most of the time. There may be > times when I can but it is rare. > > I just don't get this thing that indexing is a resource hog.

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Dale wrote: > chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: > > On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Alan McKinnon wrote: > >> On Thursday 11 February 2010 13:50:54 Walter Dnes wrote: > >>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 01:31:26AM +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Dale
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Thursday 11 February 2010 16:32:02 Dale wrote: Can you nice the thing too? That would work. I set emerge to 5 and I can't even tell that emerge is running most of the time. There may be times when I can but it is rare.

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Christian Apeltauer
Am Thu, 11 Feb 2010 01:18:42 + schrieb Neil Bothwick : > On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:03:15 -0600, Roy Wright wrote: > > > IMO, mandatory semantic-desktop is a very good reason to find > > another desktop manager (even after being my primary desktop for 7 > > years). > > It's so mandatory it takes

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Freitag 12 Februar 2010, Christian Apeltauer wrote: > Am Thu, 11 Feb 2010 01:18:42 + > > schrieb Neil Bothwick : > > On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:03:15 -0600, Roy Wright wrote: > > > IMO, mandatory semantic-desktop is a very good reason to find > > > another desktop manager (even after being my p

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Dale
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Dale wrote: chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 11 February 2010 13:50:54 Walter Dn

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Freitag 12 Februar 2010, Dale wrote: > chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: > > On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Dale wrote: > >> chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: > >>> On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Thu

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 00:43:36 +0100, Christian Apeltauer wrote: > If you do not want a piece of software, why should you install it? > Installing and not using it instead of not installing it at all, is the > wrong way and (to my opinion) it is defintely not the Gentoo way. Clearly it is not optio

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Dale
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Freitag 12 Februar 2010, Dale wrote: chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Dale wrote: chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.prop

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Friday 12 February 2010 01:49:18 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > On Freitag 12 Februar 2010, Christian Apeltauer wrote: > > Am Thu, 11 Feb 2010 01:18:42 + > > > > schrieb Neil Bothwick : > > > On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:03:15 -0600, Roy Wright wrote: > > > > IMO, mandatory semantic-desktop is a v

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-12 Thread Walter Dnes
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 02:37:53PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote > You have been corrected on this point so many times I now think you > are just a stupid ass. > > It is not slow. > > You are the only one saying that. People who do use Nepomuk say that > it is not slow and does not hog resources (i

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-12 Thread Dale
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 02:37:53PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote You have been corrected on this point so many times I now think you are just a stupid ass. It is not slow. You are the only one saying that. People who do use N

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-13 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Samstag 13 Februar 2010, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 02:37:53PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote > > > You have been corrected on this point so many times I now think you > > are just a stupid ass. > > > > It is not slow. > > > > You are the only one saying that. People who do use

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-13 Thread Dale
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Samstag 13 Februar 2010, Walter Dnes wrote: #except that dsbus is not a KDE application. Just grep to portage tree for apps that use dbus. The result might be a bit shocking. Btw, do you have a car? But certainly you driv

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-13 Thread Stroller
On 13 Feb 2010, at 15:42, Dale wrote: ... Btw, do you have a car? But certainly you drive stick. Unsyncronized. Because everything else is 'bloat'. ... P. S. I also drive a stick. I don't like the repair rates or costs on automatic transmissions. Except your manual gearbox probably ha

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-13 Thread Dale
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On 13 Feb 2010, at 15:42, Dale wrote: ... Btw, do you have a car? But certainly you drive stick. Unsyncronized. Because everything else is 'bloat'. ... P. S. I also drive a stick. I don't like the repair rates or costs on

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-13 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Saturday 13 February 2010 14:07:05 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > I agree with the concept that people who don't want KDE dependancies, > > > > e.g. dbus, shouldn't use KDE apps. Therefore, I avoid amarok, kaffeine, > > kplayer, etc. What got me started in this thread was the fact that what

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-14 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Sonntag 14 Februar 2010, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Saturday 13 February 2010 14:07:05 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > > I agree with the concept that people who don't want KDE dependancies, > > > > > > e.g. dbus, shouldn't use KDE apps. Therefore, I avoid amarok, > > > kaffeine, kplayer, etc

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-14 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sunday 14 February 2010 13:02:48 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > I highly recommend drivers to gain the skill of driving a vehicle > > crash-style without a clutch. Comes in useful sometimes. > > > > > > > > :-) > > the point was not stick but unsyncronized ;) I know. I just felt like tossin

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-16 Thread Mick
On Sunday 14 February 2010 12:40:59 Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Sunday 14 February 2010 13:02:48 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > > I highly recommend drivers to gain the skill of driving a vehicle > > > crash-style without a clutch. Comes in useful sometimes. > > > > > > :-) > > > > the point was not

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-16 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 17 February 2010 01:21:22 Mick wrote: > However, the point has been well made by many. KDE4 is not KDE3.x and > with KDE4 you get the full enchilada because that's what the developers > have produced. Since I do not have the ability (or time) to fork KDE4 > into my own flavour I wil

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-16 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Mittwoch 17 Februar 2010, Mick wrote: > On Sunday 14 February 2010 12:40:59 Alan McKinnon wrote: > > On Sunday 14 February 2010 13:02:48 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > > > I highly recommend drivers to gain the skill of driving a vehicle > > > > crash-style without a clutch. Comes in useful som

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-17 Thread Mick
On 17 February 2010 00:12, Volker Armin Hemmann > you want dependency nightmare? > > openoffice depends on libwpd > libwpd depends on libgsf > libgsf pulls gconf in. > > I don't need wordperfect, I don't want gnome. No way to get rid of that crap. I know. :-( > Even basic libs are pulling in to

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-17 Thread BRM
- Original Message > From: Mick > I also happen to own a couple of old PCs which I try to keep lean and I don't > mind the odd double declutching to change gears. Now, I understand the > development philosophy of KDE4 since this was very well explained, but that > does not stop me wi

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-17 Thread pk
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > openoffice depends on libwpd > libwpd depends on libgsf > libgsf pulls gconf in. Hm. I actually have OO (non-binary version) installed althoughI dislike bloat... However, I don't have gconf installed (USE: -gnome, globally in make.conf). I run stable so that, of cour

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-17 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Mittwoch 17 Februar 2010, Dale wrote: > chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: > > Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > >> openoffice depends on libwpd > >> libwpd depends on libgsf > >> libgsf pulls gconf in. > > > > Hm. I actually have OO (non-binary version) installed al

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-17 Thread Dale
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: openoffice depends on libwpd libwpd depends on libgsf libgsf pulls gconf in. Hm. I actually have OO (non-binary version) installed althoughI dislike bloat... However, I don't have gconf ins

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-17 Thread pk
Dale wrote: > What did you use in place of k3b? Is it a GUI or command line? cdrecord. I also have installed, but I haven't used it yet, XFburn... Best regards Peter K