Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

- Original Message > From: Neil Bothwick > > Okay - that's not entirely KDE's problem; though it would have helped a > > long way with the KDE4 transition if they kept a few people working on > > those issues. > > How would you feel if you were a KDE dev told "we're all going to play

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

On 2011-05-13 4:16 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > KDE3 was fine as it was. I think that pretty much sums it up... No one forced anyone to upgrade to 4.0 when it was released. Anyone (you) could have continued using 3.x until *you* were satisfied with 4.x...

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On 13/5/2011, at 8:32pm, Mick wrote: >>> ... >>> $ date +"%l:%M%P" >>> 8:39 >>> >>> That's the wall-clock time (p.m.) in my local time-zone. What Americans >>> call daylight savings time, though how they imagine any time is saved I >>> don't know. >> >> From `man date`: >> >> %l hour

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On 13/5/2011, at 8:27pm, Mick wrote: > ... > Here's mine if you want to compare with my previously sent output: > > $ cat /etc/env.d/02locale > LANG="en_GB.UTF-8" > LC_CTYPE="en_GB.UTF-8" > LC_NUMERIC="en_GB.UTF-8" > LC_TIME="en_GB.UTF-8" > LC_COLLATE="C" > LC_MONETARY="en_GB.UTF-8" > LC_MESSAGE

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On Fri, 13 May 2011 07:19:35 -0700 (PDT), BRM wrote: > KDE did seem to drop the ball a bit with their management of the > transition from KDE3 to KDE4. There's no doubt it could have been a lot better. The problem was that it was based on their prediction that 4.0 would be a dev release while 4.1

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

On Fri, 13 May 2011 13:57:47 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > But if your new and allegedly "improved" > product can't stand on its own 2 feet and compete against older > generation products, and you have to shut down or drop support for the > older products for the new one to survive, then it's obviou

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Hi Mick, On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 08:27:16PM +0100, Mick wrote: > Here's mine if you want to compare with my previously sent output: > > $ cat /etc/env.d/02locale > LANG="en_GB.UTF-8" *snip* This is all you need. > LC_CTYPE="en_GB.UTF-8" Or, If you are running a multi user system and do not w

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

Am 13.05.2011 21:50, schrieb Mick: > a selection of > apps, rather that a heavy duty integrated DE with semantic searches and what > not. I have written my thesis about semantic searches but I am absolut unable to use that feature in KDE. But that and the graphic distortions I have aside is KDE

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

On Friday 13 May 2011 18:57:47 Walter Dnes wrote: > On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 12:56:27PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote > > > On Wed, 11 May 2011 20:40:02 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > > > > KDE devs decided to take the risk and make the jump ahead of the > > > > curve. > > > > > > > Coca Cola went fro

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

On Thursday 12 May 2011 22:48:04 Stroller wrote: > On 12/5/2011, at 8:41pm, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > On Thursday 12 May 2011 18:06:27 Stroller wrote: > >> Could you possibly post the output of `date +"%l:%M%P"`? > >> > >> In doing so you'd be doing me a favour. > > > > $ date +"%l:%M%P" > > 8:39

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

On Friday 13 May 2011 14:26:27 Dale wrote: > Stroller wrote: > > On 12/5/2011, at 11:57pm, Dale wrote: > >> root@fireball / # locale > >> LANG=en_US.UTF8 > >> LC_CTYPE="en_US.UTF8" > >> LC_NUMERIC="en_US.UTF8" > >> LC_TIME="en_US.UTF8" > >> LC_COLLATE="en_US.UTF8" > >> LC_MONETARY="en_US.UTF8" > >>

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 12:56:27PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote > On Wed, 11 May 2011 20:40:02 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > > > > KDE devs decided to take the risk and make the jump ahead of the > > > curve. > > > > Coca Cola went from Coke Classic to New Coke; at least they had the > > guts to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

- Original Message > From: Neil Bothwick > On Thu, 12 May 2011 16:44:21 -0500, Dale wrote: > > Your questions don't disprove what me and others have posted. As I > > have said on the KDE mailing list, KDE made a serious mistake dropping > > KDE3 before KDE4 was ready. > How exactly d

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Stroller wrote: On 12/5/2011, at 11:57pm, Dale wrote: root@fireball / # locale LANG=en_US.UTF8 LC_CTYPE="en_US.UTF8" LC_NUMERIC="en_US.UTF8" LC_TIME="en_US.UTF8" LC_COLLATE="en_US.UTF8" LC_MONETARY="en_US.UTF8" LC_MESSAGES="en_US.UTF8" LC_PAPER="en_US.UTF8" LC_NAME="en_US.UTF8" LC_ADDRESS="

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

On 12/5/2011, at 11:57pm, Dale wrote: > Stroller wrote: >> On 12/5/2011, at 6:20pm, Dale wrote: >> >> >>> Stroller wrote: >>> `date +"%l:%M%P"` >>> Here's mine: >>> >>> root@fireball / # date +"%l:%M%P" >>> 12:19pm >>> root@fireball / # >>> >> And what are your loc

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

Indi wrote: I was just sharing my opinion, which was informed by my experience. I'm surprised by the vehemence and persistence of (apparently) political rhetoric in response to that. Obviously the solutions look really simple and matter-of-fact a year and a half later. The options were rather dif

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 10:50:03AM +0200, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Thu, 12 May 2011 10:51:32 -0400, Indi wrote: > > > > If it's as good as everyone says, what more support did it need? Did > > > the KDE guys come knocking on your door to remove it, or do it > > > remotely (Android anyone?), or di

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

On Thu, 12 May 2011 10:51:32 -0400, Indi wrote: > > If it's as good as everyone says, what more support did it need? Did > > the KDE guys come knocking on your door to remove it, or do it > > remotely (Android anyone?), or did it just keep working? > That argument is probably valid when limiting

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

On Thu, 12 May 2011 16:44:21 -0500, Dale wrote: > Your questions don't disprove what me and others have posted. As I > have said on the KDE mailing list, KDE made a serious mistake dropping > KDE3 before KDE4 was ready. How exactly did they "drop" it? It's still available from ftp://ftp.kde.org/

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On Thu, 12 May 2011 09:38:15 -0500, Dale wrote: > Which supports my point. Maintain KDE3 until KDE4 is stable and > usable. If it is still working, which I think it is tho some fixes > have had to be made, then why couldn't KDE support KDE3 just a little > while longer. Because it would be mor

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

On 2011-05-12 23:44, Dale wrote: > Your questions don't disprove what me and others have posted. As I have I think Alans point is that while the KDE developers (volunteers, or paid for) have certain goals which may or may not be tangential to yours (clearly, in the case of KDE3 vs KDE4 they are

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Stroller wrote: On 12/5/2011, at 6:20pm, Dale wrote: Stroller wrote: `date +"%l:%M%P"` Here's mine: root@fireball / # date +"%l:%M%P" 12:19pm root@fireball / # And what are your locale settings? Stroller. root@fireball / # locale LANG=en_US.UTF8 LC_CTYPE="en

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 12:30:01AM +0200, walt wrote: > On 05/12/2011 07:00 AM, Indi wrote: > > ...It was a harrowing time, switching > > everyone to gnome, finding that is not so hot... > > Just curious: what sort of complaints did you get about gnome? Oh to be honest I think most of the compla

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 11:50:02PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > Apparently, though unproven, at 23:19 on Thursday 12 May 2011, Indi did opine > thusly: > > > You might be correct, but I very much doubt it. > > I will say though that it's almost a certainty > > the type of user who uses kde4 is

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 11:30:02PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > Apparently, though unproven, at 16:38 on Thursday 12 May 2011, Dale did opine > thusly: > > > Neil Bothwick wrote: > > > On Thu, 12 May 2011 08:46:32 -0500, Dale wrote: > > >> So, you think most of the KDE users were happy to see su

[gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

On 05/12/2011 07:00 AM, Indi wrote: > ...It was a harrowing time, switching > everyone to gnome, finding that is not so hot... Just curious: what sort of complaints did you get about gnome?

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

On 12/5/2011, at 8:41pm, Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Thursday 12 May 2011 18:06:27 Stroller wrote: > >> Could you possibly post the output of `date +"%l:%M%P"`? >> >> In doing so you'd be doing me a favour. > > $ date +"%l:%M%P" > 8:39 > > That's the wall-clock time (p.m.) in my local time-zon

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 16:38 on Thursday 12 May 2011, Dale did opine thusly: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 12 May 2011 08:46:32 -0500, Dale wrote: So, you think most of the KDE users were happy to see support for KDE3 being dropped, especially co

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

On 12/5/2011, at 6:20pm, Dale wrote: > Stroller wrote: >> `date +"%l:%M%P"` > > Here's mine: > > root@fireball / # date +"%l:%M%P" > 12:19pm > root@fireball / # And what are your locale settings? Stroller.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

Apparently, though unproven, at 23:19 on Thursday 12 May 2011, Indi did opine thusly: > You might be correct, but I very much doubt it. > I will say though that it's almost a certainty > the type of user who uses kde4 is probably > different from those who used kde3. There you go again, offe

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 11:10:03PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > Apparently, though unproven, at 17:06 on Thursday 12 May 2011, Indi did opine > thusly: > > > On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 04:40:02PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > > Apparently, though unproven, at 16:00 on Thursday 12 May 2011, Indi d

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

Apparently, though unproven, at 16:38 on Thursday 12 May 2011, Dale did opine thusly: > Neil Bothwick wrote: > > On Thu, 12 May 2011 08:46:32 -0500, Dale wrote: > >> So, you think most of the KDE users were happy to see support for KDE3 > >> being dropped, especially considering KDE4 was much les

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

Apparently, though unproven, at 17:06 on Thursday 12 May 2011, Indi did opine thusly: > On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 04:40:02PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > Apparently, though unproven, at 16:00 on Thursday 12 May 2011, Indi did > > opine > > > > thusly: > > > I had 8 users on kde before 3 was dep

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On Thursday 12 May 2011 18:20:15 Dale wrote: > Stroller wrote: > > `date +"%l:%M%P"` > > Here's mine: > > root@fireball / # date +"%l:%M%P" > 12:19pm > root@fireball / # > > Dale $ date +"%l:%M%P" 9:23 $ locale LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 LC_CTYPE="en_GB.UTF-8" LC_NUMERIC="en_GB.UTF-8" LC_TIME="en_GB.U

[gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

Peter Humphrey writes: > On Wednesday 11 May 2011 22:14:55 Mike Edenfield wrote: > >> The only problem with LC_ALL is that it overrides all of the other LC_* >> variables. > > - which is precisely what most ordinary desktop users want. Most perhaps, but certainly not all. For me it's important t

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On Thursday 12 May 2011 18:06:27 Stroller wrote: > Could you possibly post the output of `date +"%l:%M%P"`? > > In doing so you'd be doing me a favour. $ date +"%l:%M%P" 8:39 That's the wall-clock time (p.m.) in my local time-zone. What Americans call daylight savings time, though how they im

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Stroller wrote: `date +"%l:%M%P"` Here's mine: root@fireball / # date +"%l:%M%P" 12:19pm root@fireball / # Dale :-) :-)

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On 12/5/2011, at 12:31am, Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Wednesday 11 May 2011 22:14:55 Mike Edenfield wrote: > >> The only problem with LC_ALL is that it overrides all of the other LC_* >> variables. > > - which is precisely what most ordinary desktop users want. No, I think they want all locale

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On 5/12/2011 9:25 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > Apparently, though unproven, at 14:54 on Thursday 12 May 2011, Dale did opine > thusly: > >> Neil Bothwick wrote: >>> The pattern I see is that of selecting only changes that failed and >>> implying they are the norm. >>> >>> Why not add other improvem

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

Indi wrote: On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 04:40:02PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 16:00 on Thursday 12 May 2011, Indi did opine thusly: I had 8 users on kde before 3 was deprecated in 2009. Now I have zero. It was a harrowing time, switching everyone to gnome

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On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 04:40:02PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > Apparently, though unproven, at 16:00 on Thursday 12 May 2011, Indi did opine > thusly: > > > I had 8 users on kde before 3 was deprecated in 2009. > > Now I have zero. It was a harrowing time, switching > > everyone to gnome, find

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 04:30:02PM +0200, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Thu, 12 May 2011 07:54:13 -0500, Dale wrote: > > > I just hope they also learned from their mistakes. Dropping KDE3 > > support long before KDE4 was ready was a big one. That shouldn't be > > repeated. > > If it's as good as

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 12 May 2011 08:46:32 -0500, Dale wrote: So, you think most of the KDE users were happy to see support for KDE3 being dropped, especially considering KDE4 was much less than stable? For me and a lot of others, it was worthless at first. It was good eye candy but

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

On Thu, 12 May 2011 07:54:13 -0500, Dale wrote: > I just hope they also learned from their mistakes. Dropping KDE3 > support long before KDE4 was ready was a big one. That shouldn't be > repeated. If it's as good as everyone says, what more support did it need? Did the KDE guys come knocking

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

Indi wrote: On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 03:50:02PM +0200, Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: They can do any damn thing they want to with their code. They also you owe support for it in exactly the same amount you paid for it. Which is to say "nothing". It's not a question of "should", it'

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Apparently, though unproven, at 16:00 on Thursday 12 May 2011, Indi did opine thusly: > I had 8 users on kde before 3 was deprecated in 2009. > Now I have zero. It was a harrowing time, switching > everyone to gnome, finding that is not so hot, finally > putting them on xfce. If xfce gets a wil

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

On Thu, 12 May 2011 08:46:32 -0500, Dale wrote: > So, you think most of the KDE users were happy to see support for KDE3 > being dropped, especially considering KDE4 was much less than stable? > For me and a lot of others, it was worthless at first. It was good eye > candy but not functional

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will over new fans. Its oodles better than any of its contemicropories. JDM -Original Message- From: Dale Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 08:46:32 To: Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone? Alan McKinnon wrote: >

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On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 03:50:02PM +0200, Dale wrote: > Alan McKinnon wrote: > > They can do any damn thing they want to with their code. They also you owe > > support for it in exactly the same amount you paid for it. Which is to say > > "nothing". > > > > It's not a question of "should", it's onl

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

Alan McKinnon wrote: They can do any damn thing they want to with their code. They also you owe support for it in exactly the same amount you paid for it. Which is to say "nothing". It's not a question of "should", it's only a question of "Dale would prefer it if" So, you think most of th

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

Apparently, though unproven, at 14:54 on Thursday 12 May 2011, Dale did opine thusly: > Neil Bothwick wrote: > > The pattern I see is that of selecting only changes that failed and > > implying they are the norm. > > > > Why not add other improvements that were so bad, like the switch from > > f

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

Mike Edenfield wrote: They're already set, as your locale output showed :) The definitions of those various formats are built into the locale definitions, so they should have the same value as all your other LC_* variables. You can see your locale's idea of what those things mean in the loc

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

Neil Bothwick wrote: The pattern I see is that of selecting only changes that failed and implying they are the norm. Why not add other improvements that were so bad, like the switch from floppy disks to hard disks, or CDs to DVDs? Companies try to predict where the market should go so they can

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 02:00:01PM +0200, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Wed, 11 May 2011 20:40:02 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > > > > KDE devs decided to take the risk and make the jump ahead of the > > > curve. > > > > Coca Cola went from Coke Classic to New Coke; at least they had the > > guts to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

On 5/12/2011 5:21 AM, Dale wrote: Mike Edenfield wrote: On 5/11/2011 6:51 PM, Dale wrote: Does this look more better? root@fireball / # locale LC_PAPER="en_US.UTF8" LC_NAME="en_US.UTF8" LC_ADDRESS="en_US.UTF8" LC_TELEPHONE="en_US.UTF8" LC_MEASUREMENT="en_US.UTF8" LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_US.UTF8

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On Wed, 11 May 2011 20:40:02 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > > KDE devs decided to take the risk and make the jump ahead of the > > curve. > > Coca Cola went from Coke Classic to New Coke; at least they had the > guts to admit that it was a bad idea, and reverse it. > > IBM walked away from th

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Apparently, though unproven, at 02:40 on Thursday 12 May 2011, Walter Dnes did opine thusly: > On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 05:45:07PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote > > > KDE devs decided to take the risk and make the jump ahead of the curve. > > Coca Cola went from Coke Classic to New Coke; at least

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

James Wall wrote: On May 11, 2011 4:38 PM, "walt" > wrote: > > On 05/11/2011 03:10 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > > On Wed, 11 May 2011 04:55:46 -0500, Dale wrote: > > > >> I'll leave it like it is I guess. I like all the little green OK's > >> that scroll up anyway. > >

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Mike Edenfield wrote: On 5/11/2011 6:51 PM, Dale wrote: Does this look more better? root@fireball / # locale LC_PAPER="en_US.UTF8" LC_NAME="en_US.UTF8" LC_ADDRESS="en_US.UTF8" LC_TELEPHONE="en_US.UTF8" LC_MEASUREMENT="en_US.UTF8" LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_US.UTF8" LC_PAPER, is that like paper i

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On 11 May 2011 15:43, Alan McKinnon wrote: > Apparently, though unproven, at 15:45 on Wednesday 11 May 2011, Dale did opine > thusly: > >> Nikos Chantziaras wrote: >> > On 05/11/2011 02:50 AM, Dale wrote: >> >> [...] >> >> What do you know, I upgraded and it worked. Now if I can just get rid of >>

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

On May 11, 2011 4:38 PM, "walt" wrote: > > On 05/11/2011 03:10 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > > On Wed, 11 May 2011 04:55:46 -0500, Dale wrote: > > > >> I'll leave it like it is I guess. I like all the little green OK's > >> that scroll up anyway. > > > > Reassuring, aren't they? > > I'd like a simil

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

On 5/11/2011 7:31 PM, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Wednesday 11 May 2011 22:14:55 Mike Edenfield wrote: The only problem with LC_ALL is that it overrides all of the other LC_* variables. - which is precisely what most ordinary desktop users want. In such a case it's a useful shorthand. Personally

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

On 5/11/2011 6:51 PM, Dale wrote: Does this look more better? root@fireball / # locale LC_PAPER="en_US.UTF8" LC_NAME="en_US.UTF8" LC_ADDRESS="en_US.UTF8" LC_TELEPHONE="en_US.UTF8" LC_MEASUREMENT="en_US.UTF8" LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_US.UTF8" LC_PAPER, is that like paper in my printer? What the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 05:45:07PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote > KDE devs decided to take the risk and make the jump ahead of the curve. Coca Cola went from Coke Classic to New Coke; at least they had the guts to admit that it was a bad idea, and reverse it. IBM walked away from their market

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

On Wednesday 11 May 2011 22:14:55 Mike Edenfield wrote: > The only problem with LC_ALL is that it overrides all of the other LC_* > variables. - which is precisely what most ordinary desktop users want. In such a case it's a useful shorthand. Personally, I have no intention of ever allowing US

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

Mike Edenfield wrote: This means that your UTF-8 setup is clearly *not* working :) Your locale is not being set anywhere, it's using the glibc default of POSIX. POSIX is approximately equal to en_US as far as date/time, sorting, etc. but lacks most of the numeric formatting (no currency symbol,

[gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

On 05/11/2011 03:10 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Wed, 11 May 2011 04:55:46 -0500, Dale wrote: > >> I'll leave it like it is I guess. I like all the little green OK's >> that scroll up anyway. > > Reassuring, aren't they? I'd like a similar system for checking my marriage.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

On 5/11/2011 12:02 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 05/11/2011 06:53 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: >> On 05/11/2011 06:42 PM, Dale wrote: >>> That was quick: >>> >>> root@fireball / # grep LC_ALL /etc/env.d/* >>> root@fireball / # >>> >>> Guess that is not in env.d anywhere. :/ >> >> Then I guess y

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

On 5/11/2011 12:54 PM, Dale wrote: > root@fireball / # locale -a > C > POSIX > en_US > en_US.iso88591 > en_US.utf8 So you have three locales installed (C and POSIX are internal and always present) that are the same language and region with different character sets. You probably don't need to do t

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 05/11/2011 06:53 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 05/11/2011 06:42 PM, Dale wrote: That was quick: root@fireball / # grep LC_ALL /etc/env.d/* root@fireball / # Guess that is not in env.d anywhere. :/ Then I guess you can create it on your own. See: http://www.gen

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

- Original Message > From: Alan McKinnon > > I still don't understand why the kde folks went from something that > > worked extremely well to their current state. Baffling. > > KDE3 and KDE4 are not the same thing. > KDE4 is not the next version of KDE3. > > You must consider KDE4

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 03:33:02PM +0300, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 05/11/2011 03:16 PM, Marius Vaitiekunas wrote: > /etc/env.d/02locale. Here, it looks like this: > >LC_ALL="en_US.UTF-8" >LANG="en_US.UTF-8" It is not recommended that you set LC_ALL in startup files at all, just lang

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 06:00:05PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > Apparently, though unproven, at 17:06 on Wednesday 11 May 2011, Indi did > opine > thusly: > > > I still don't understand why the kde folks went from something that > > worked extremely well to their current state. Baffling. > > W

[gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

On 05/11/2011 06:53 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 05/11/2011 06:42 PM, Dale wrote: That was quick: root@fireball / # grep LC_ALL /etc/env.d/* root@fireball / # Guess that is not in env.d anywhere. :/ Then I guess you can create it on your own. See: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/guide-local

[gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

On 05/11/2011 06:42 PM, Dale wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 05/11/2011 04:40 PM, Dale wrote: Funny that it seems to work. I don't have that file: root@fireball / # cat /etc/env.d/02locale cat: /etc/env.d/02locale: No such file or directory root@fireball / # Maybe the "02" prefix is rand

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

Apparently, though unproven, at 17:06 on Wednesday 11 May 2011, Indi did opine thusly: > On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 04:50:02PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > It uses hardly any cpu at all, regardless of what the naysayers say. > > Well, add me to the "naysayers" list then, because my experience di

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Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 05/11/2011 04:40 PM, Dale wrote: Funny that it seems to work. I don't have that file: root@fireball / # cat /etc/env.d/02locale cat: /etc/env.d/02locale: No such file or directory root@fireball / # Maybe the "02" prefix is random. Try: grep LC_ALL /etc/env.d/*

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 04:50:02PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > It uses hardly any cpu at all, regardless of what the naysayers say. > Well, add me to the "naysayers" list then, because my experience directly contradicts that statement. Much happier with fluxbox, completely finished fooling

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On 5/11/2011 9:40 AM, Dale wrote: > Nikos Chantziaras wrote: >> On 05/11/2011 03:33 PM, Dale wrote: >>> root@fireball / # cat /etc/make.conf | grep utf >>> LC_ALL="en_US.utf8" >>> root@fireball / # Putting your LC_* values in make.conf means they're only going to apply when you are building thing

[gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

On 05/11/2011 04:40 PM, Dale wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 05/11/2011 03:33 PM, Dale wrote: Marius Vaitiekunas wrote: Could anybody tell me, how to make gentoo baselayout-2 system to be completely unicode utf-8? Which config files I should modify? Thank You! This is how I did mine. roo

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Apparently, though unproven, at 15:45 on Wednesday 11 May 2011, Dale did opine thusly: > Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > > On 05/11/2011 02:50 AM, Dale wrote: > >> [...] > >> What do you know, I upgraded and it worked. Now if I can just get rid of > >> this Nepomuk thingy that pops up a bit after I lo

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

On Wed, 11 May 2011 15:33:02 +0300, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > The second file is /etc/locale.gen. On my system: > >en_US ISO-8859-1 >en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8 > > I don't know why I have the first line there. I guess it's a fallback. > The second line must be the same as what you used in e

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Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 05/11/2011 02:50 AM, Dale wrote: [...] What do you know, I upgraded and it worked. Now if I can just get rid of this Nepomuk thingy that pops up a bit after I login to KDE. You disable that in System Settings. There's an icon for it there. Or, you build KDE with

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 05/11/2011 03:33 PM, Dale wrote: Marius Vaitiekunas wrote: Hi, Maybe, a little OT. Could anybody tell me, how to make gentoo baselayout-2 system to be completely unicode utf-8? Which config files I should modify? Thank You! This is how I did mine. root@fireball

[gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

On 05/11/2011 03:33 PM, Dale wrote: Marius Vaitiekunas wrote: Hi, Maybe, a little OT. Could anybody tell me, how to make gentoo baselayout-2 system to be completely unicode utf-8? Which config files I should modify? Thank You! This is how I did mine. root@fireball / # cat /etc/make.conf | g

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110511 Marius Vaitiekunas wrote: > Could anybody tell me, how to make gentoo baselayout-2 system > to be completely unicode utf-8? Which config files I should modify? In ~/.bashrc & /root/.bashrc I have LANG=en_US.UTF-8 Amend for your local language, if you wish. -- =

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Dale wrote: > Marius Vaitiekunas wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Maybe, a little OT. >> Could anybody tell me, how to make gentoo baselayout-2 system to be >> completely unicode utf-8? Which config files I should modify? >> Thank You! >> >> > > This is how I did mine. > > r

[gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

On 05/11/2011 03:16 PM, Marius Vaitiekunas wrote: Hi, Maybe, a little OT. Could anybody tell me, how to make gentoo baselayout-2 system to be completely unicode utf-8? Which config files I should modify? Thank You! /etc/env.d/02locale. Here, it looks like this: LC_ALL="en_US.UTF-8" LANG=

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

Marius Vaitiekunas wrote: Hi, Maybe, a little OT. Could anybody tell me, how to make gentoo baselayout-2 system to be completely unicode utf-8? Which config files I should modify? Thank You! This is how I did mine. root@fireball / # cat /etc/make.conf | grep utf LC_ALL="en_US.utf8" root@

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Hi, Maybe, a little OT. Could anybody tell me, how to make gentoo baselayout-2 system to be completely unicode utf-8? Which config files I should modify? Thank You! -- mv

[gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

On 05/11/2011 02:50 AM, Dale wrote: [...] What do you know, I upgraded and it worked. Now if I can just get rid of this Nepomuk thingy that pops up a bit after I login to KDE. You disable that in System Settings. There's an icon for it there. Or, you build KDE with "-semantic-desktop" in you