Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 06/11/2013 14:54, Martin Vaeth wrote:
>> (I am guessing this only from the outputs which are posted):
>>
>> When portage detects that it cannot resolve something after
>> backtracking, it dies.
>
> That by itself is good info.
>
> The conflict that portage couldn't resolv
Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 06/11/2013 09:46, Martin Vaeth wrote:
>> Alan McKinnon wrote:
>>>
>>> You don't have to keep explaining subslots to me
>>
>> But not every reader knows the details - this is not a private
>> conversation.
>
> Then please [...] describe it all in the OP rather than replyi
On 06/11/2013 14:54, Martin Vaeth wrote:
> Marc Joliet wrote:
>>
>> One of those questions stands out to me right now: the one on understandable
>> error messages. As some recent posts to this ML demonstrate, it seems to
>> be one area where portage is visibly falling (staying?) behind right now.
On 06/11/2013 09:46, Martin Vaeth wrote:
> Alan McKinnon wrote:
>>
>> You don't have to keep explaining subslots to me
>
> But not every reader knows the details - this is not a private
> conversation.
Then please start your own thread on the matter and describe it all in
the OP rather than rep
Marc Joliet wrote:
>
> One of those questions stands out to me right now: the one on understandable
> error messages. As some recent posts to this ML demonstrate, it seems to
> be one area where portage is visibly falling (staying?) behind right now.
> They remind me of the type of error message g
Am Tue, 05 Nov 2013 16:44:43 +0200
schrieb Alan McKinnon :
> On 05/11/2013 14:11, Marc Joliet wrote:
> > Am Tue, 05 Nov 2013 12:14:59 +0200
> > schrieb Alan McKinnon :
> >
> >> On 05/11/2013 11:52, Martin Vaeth wrote:
> >>> Alan McKinnon wrote:
> You know what? I'm not convinced.
>
> >
Alan McKinnon wrote:
>
> You don't have to keep explaining subslots to me
But not every reader knows the details - this is not a private
conversation.
> What I have maintained all along is that I don't see the solution as
> tested to be production-ready
It has been in ~arch for many months, and
On 05/11/2013 20:06, Martin Vaeth wrote:
>> I predict once a week fallout from sub-slots induced bugs that was
>> > intended to fix once a year problem.
> Let's see: Forgetting to bump a subslot means that the purpose of
> subslots for that package fails. A problem, but not worse than
> without sub
On 05/11/2013 17:21, Bruce Hill wrote:
> That is good practice, to say the least. Wish it would happen in Gentoo. But
> then again, may I ask, do you have as many devs and as many pkgs that must
> co-exist on so many differently configured machines?
Not even close :-)
What we lack in package dive
Alan McKinnon wrote:
>
> It seems to me that you didn't read the whole post fully, and have
> cherry-picked a part that you think bolsters your position.
I do not think that I have a position here.
Subslots solve some problem. If they cause inconveniences
like portage needing too long or frequen
On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 04:44:43PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>
> I too see your viewpoint, as you see mine. There's nothing wrong with
> your logic within the narrow domain of making the code that implements
> this specific feature (subslots) work correctly per spec.
>
> Background: I'm a Linux
On 05/11/2013 14:11, Marc Joliet wrote:
> Am Tue, 05 Nov 2013 12:14:59 +0200
> schrieb Alan McKinnon :
>
>> On 05/11/2013 11:52, Martin Vaeth wrote:
>>> Alan McKinnon wrote:
You know what? I'm not convinced.
What I'm seeing is a rather large towering edifice of complexity to deal
>
Am Tue, 05 Nov 2013 12:14:59 +0200
schrieb Alan McKinnon :
> On 05/11/2013 11:52, Martin Vaeth wrote:
> > Alan McKinnon wrote:
> >> You know what? I'm not convinced.
> >>
> >> What I'm seeing is a rather large towering edifice of complexity to deal
> >> with a problem that is not the general case
On 05/11/2013 11:52, Martin Vaeth wrote:
> Alan McKinnon wrote:
>> You know what? I'm not convinced.
>>
>> What I'm seeing is a rather large towering edifice of complexity to deal
>> with a problem that is not the general case.
>
> I find it funny that perhaps you did not realize that you repeate
On Tuesday 05 Nov 2013 10:52:36 Martin Vaeth wrote:
> Note, however, "in the long run": The process of transforming all
> packages to subslot dependencies is not yet complete.
> I guess it will take many years until it is: Up to some corner cases
> you can check whether the process is complete for
Alan McKinnon wrote:
> You know what? I'm not convinced.
>
> What I'm seeing is a rather large towering edifice of complexity to deal
> with a problem that is not the general case.
I find it funny that perhaps you did not realize that you repeated
the main argument *in favour of subslots* on the
hasufell wrote:
>
EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS="--ignore-built-slot-operator-deps=y"
>>
>> A different user interface would be preferrable [...]
>
> Could you open a bug report for portage and make a properly formulated
> proposal about this?
Done. http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=490350
You know what? I'm not convinced.
What I'm seeing is a rather large towering edifice of complexity to deal
with a problem that is not the general case. I'm seeing something that
has all the hallmarks of a solution that whilst likely to be
mathematically correct, is dreamed up by young inexperience
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On 11/03/2013 08:07 PM, Martin Vaeth wrote:
>>> If you want my opinion on subslots: # grep EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS
>>> /etc/portage/make.conf
>>> EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS="--ignore-built-slot-operator-deps=y"
>
> A different user interface would be preferrabl
Alan McKinnon wrote:
>
> No, no problem whatsoever. emerge @preserved -rebuild is my preferred
> method, I find it vastly superior to sub-slot operators which
It is neither superior nor inferior.
It is an unrelated mechanism which will have less to do
once subslot dependencies are more widesprea
On Sat, 02 Nov 2013 17:38:00 -0700, walt wrote:
> > I have no facts to device either way.
>
> > but lets the user device when to do them.
>
> Neil, are you using a new auto-complete function of some kind?
Yes, it's called sleep deprivation :(
--
Neil Bothwick
"We can't solve problems by
On 11/02/2013 02:26 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> I have no facts to device either way.
> but lets the user device when to do them.
Neil, are you using a new auto-complete function of some kind?
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